Paranoia --- Willy312® (9/15/2005 1:20:14 PM)
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=11845&boardID=33&page=1
... particularly the response from KAPRICE that 'Odds are pretty good (of catching something from an escort), depending on what you do.'
Do the majority of hobbyist think that the risk of catching an STD from an escort is far greater that catching something from civy?
Suzanne in San Diego
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Most ladies (at least those found here on TER) will be cleaner than civies. Now, street walkers, a totally different story.
"Do the majority of hobbyist think that risk of catching an STD from an escort is far greater that catching something from civy? This type of ignorance that prevalent among hobbyists?"
Well Suzanne I never said it was more risky from an escort was just saying that it is risky in general. From what I gleaned from the Original poster question he is a guy completely clean from STD's, like never had anything. And given this he has to choose between someone who performs 20 acts of unprotected sex (BBBJ) a week with multiple partners or just keep going with his wife.
Wouldn't you agree that the escort route is a tad more risky? Just given the law of averages. And given what he decides to engage in.
I said "the odds of catching something are pretty good" Is that not true? When I think I read one in 4 women have herpes, does that not translate into a 25% chance of him picking up herpes with a provider or a civi alike? Or when I see providers say they are clean does that mean they have never had a case of herpes (genital or oral) or does that just mean they are not breaking out right now?
Or when we talk of STD's on this site are herpes just a given? Or do they count? They sure count to wifes!!
And besides where do Providers come from? Do they not come from the Civi population? Were you all virgins before you started?
But in reality I think Sex from a provider is less risky not for what diseases you may have but because of what you will not allow us to do. Some guys may be able to convince a civi to go bare back on some activities. At least I know providers will not stand for that as their business depends on their health.
But thats my limited opinion, please enlighten me further if I am not grasping some concepts!
First you assume that ALL providers perform acts of unprotected sex (BBBJ's). There are some who do not do that. The advice should have been to seek out someone who does NOT provide uncovered acts. Does that completely cut out the risk.... absolutely not. The only way to completely cut out the risk is abstinance. You also state that the rate of herpes is 1 in 4 WOMEN .... not true. The CDC makes no distinction in the rate of occurance between men and women. It is 1 in 4 for the general population...which means that men are infected, too. Do covered acts protect you completely against infection? No. You may become exposed through parts that are not covered by the condom. That includes ladies that become exposed from the men thay are with. If you want some real eye-openers about the safety and efficacy of condoms... try the State of Nevada's reports on disease transmission among brothel workers. These ladies are tested weekly by state health care workers for STD's. The results of those tests are property of the state and they keep track of the results. The truth is, these ladies don't test positive for anything while they're at work. Don't believe me... check the stat's for yourself. And yes, I'm sure these ladies weren't virgins either before they started. That really has nothing to do with anything. The truth is, there is risk anytime you have sex with a stranger. The only sure way to NEVER catch anything is to abstain. Next to that, latex condoms provide the best protection. They should be used EVERY time and for EVERY act. Of course herpes count as an STD (although, oral herpes is not necessarily an STD... as anyone who gets cold-sores already knows...but it can become an STD because it can be transmitted through sexual contact). However, you fail to mention HPV which occurs at a higher rate than herpes (or maybe that's one you don't know about?). I've said it before and I'll say it again, get the FACTS and weigh your risks based on the FACTS (not heresay). Then decide for yourself how much risk you're willing to take.
" First you assume that ALL providers perform acts of unprotected sex (BBBJ's)."
No I never assumed that, But I am saying for the ones that do the risk increases. Suzanne did not quote my entire message so here it is:
Odds are pretty good, depending on what you do. My advise if you cannot risk a STD do a search and find a provider that does not do Tounge in mouth kissing, Bare Back Oral Sex, And do not service her orally with your mouth (called DATY). I know it sounds like a drag but this is one way to be very safe. I think it will still be a good time compared to your normal sex life. I think I can guarantee that.
" There are some who do not do that. The advice should have been to seek out someone who does NOT provide uncovered acts. "
You and I are in complete agreement on this front as that is exactly what I told him to do. I think someone just got a little sensitive that someone would infer that any kind of sex with a provider is not safe.
"You also state that the rate of herpes is 1 in 4 WOMEN .... not true. The CDC makes no distinction in the rate of occurance between men and women. It is 1 in 4 for the general population...which means that men are infected, too. "
OK I will take your word on that I was going from memory, but still my 25% claim is acurate then correct? And I know many men are also infected so of course this risk means nothing to them as they already have it and it has run it's course. This reply was generated at a married guy free from STD's who would have a hard time hiding his blistered pecker from his wife for a month.
Here is the fact from the CDC I was trying to quote, I think I took the HSV-2 stats and applied them to all cases of herpes:
How common is genetal herpes?
Results of a nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide, at least 45 million people ages 12 and older, or one out of five adolescents and adults, have had genital HSV infection. Between the late 1970s and the early 1990s, the number of Americans with genital herpes infection increased 30 percent.
Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of four women) than in men (almost one out of five). This may be due to male-to-female transmissions being more likely than female-to-male transmission.
" And yes, I'm sure these ladies weren't virgins either before they started. That really has nothing to do with anything. "
All I meant was a provider is going to have the same risk level of a civilian if you engage in un uncovered sex.
"The truth is, there is risk anytime you have sex with a stranger. "
Completely agree, but I am not going to fall for the notion that providers are even safer than the general public as some would like us to think just becasue they get tested every month. What happens if the tests come back that you have genetal herpes do you quit the business? Stop allowing DATY? How many guys did you infect before you got your test to know about this?
"The only sure way to NEVER catch anything is to abstain."
Trust me been there done that, that's no fun.
" Of course herpes count as an STD (although, oral herpes is not necessarily an STD... as anyone who gets cold-sores already knows...but it can become an STD because it can be transmitted through sexual contact). "
If it can become an STD and screw up a guys marrage then it is an STD plain and simple, no matter where it resides in a providers body.
" However, you fail to mention HPV which occurs at a higher rate than herpes (or maybe that's one you don't know about?)."
Oh No I read up on that one also and from a married mans point of view it is such a common one (50% of population) and not usually visibly detectable in males (unlike herpes) it is not worth worrying about except to the extent of what the concequesnces are if you spread it to your wife. Cervical cancer and the like (if untreated).
"I've said it before and I'll say it again, get the FACTS and weigh your risks based on the FACTS (not heresay). Then decide for yourself how much risk you're willing to take. "
I agree again, information is key. to that end link provided below.
Thank you Mary for an inteligently written and easy to understand responce.
A bunch of callow neophytes who only recently learned what DATY meant. These are the same pusillanimous elitists who are under some delusion that Providers are from some form of alien society and need to be constantly profiled and approached with extraordinary caution.
In some ways we have to pity these arrogant, prejudiced Lilliputians for the years of ignorant misinformation they were fed by parents, clergy, teachers, politicians and friends. It is fortunate that we DO have a "Newbie" romper room for these puerile zygotes to promulgate their infantile naivety before venturing onto the adult boards.
FR.
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.... I want you even more than usual!
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Well Freedom I was not the one who brought it over here. But I guess the adult board is where you get called names you have to go look up in a dictionary. So I will be glad to go back with the kids where we actually try and communicate and come back with some information and facts instead of alot of flowery words.
Like I said convince me if I am really off base.
As soon as you have elevated your vocabulary along with shelving your predisposed prejudices and class snobbery you'll be welcomed with open arms here on the big people boards. Until then focus on your lessons and try if you will to dispose of your aforementioned, jaundiced and often inexorable points of view so often held by newbies.
FR.
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...the only women who will sleep with me are providers.