I scheduled an appointment with a fairly reputable k-girl agency. We had some back and froth text messages. The scheduler asked me if I wanted GFE or GFE+. I was hesitant to respond but finally did and said "plus". Thinking about it now I know that we are not supposed to talk about any "services" and that money spent is just for the ladies time. Do you think talking about GFE was wrong? Can I potentially get busted for this?
If you want to be safe beyond reproach, then don't go through with this, but I very much doubt that anyone has ever been found guilty based on evidence that they used the acronym GFE with or without a +, or for that matter just about any acronym. After all, these acronyms were invented for the most part to try and avoid using frank and therefore presumably illegal speech when setting up our rendezvouses.
I'd be more concerned with knowing what you signed up for. Is it BBBJ vs, CBJ? Is it anal? Is it DFK? Is it BBFS? Do you have any idea? There are no standards to define these terms.
You might want to PM users of this particular agency and ask them
I'd be more concerned with knowing what you signed up for. Is it BBBJ vs, CBJ? Is it anal? Is it DFK? Is it BBFS? Do you have any idea? There are no standards to define these terms.
You might want to PM users of this particular agency and ask them.
GFE and GFE+ have no legal significance
(Did you buy the book or just visit a library?)
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You have been on TER all of three months. Now you are a legal expert? You certainly have come a long way since your March 15 "question to other gents" posted on the MN Board.
(Did you buy the book or just visit a library?)
"GFE" and "GFE +" absolutely denote specific sex acts and are therefore incriminating. People have been busted many times for their use of such acronyms. Please be careful when dishing out legal advice.
Interesting. Any evidence of this you can share? I'm always willing to learn.
Using acronyms like GFE, CIM etc are most definitely incriminating, there is no "code" that allows you to discuss sexual acts for pay with impunity, just like there is no "LE check" that allows you to identify uncover cops. LE and the courts are perfectly aware of what terms like these mean and no they will not help you even in court, much less keep you from getting arrested if you unknowingly use terms like GFE in a conversation with an undercover cop. This goes for both hookers and johns alike. DON'T DO IT
I also agree it's quite irresponsible for newbies to be dishing out legal advice to other newbies who might act on said bad advice. This is also something that should be noted by the newbies who might be reading this thread. PLEASE consider the source before taking any advice you read anywhere on the internet and that most definitely includes this very board. We do have a group of veterans that monitor the board and dispel "most" of the bad advice given here and once upon a time we had a fulltime moderator/s that read every single post made her and removed or at least called out any misleading, inaccurate or downright dangerous advice given here, but that is no longer the case, so "Caveat Emptor" where it comes to advice given here or anywhere else on TER
Is anyone aware of the prosecution ever using email evidence against a client?
Remember too that many providers offer special services, such as Greek, that require preparation, and therefore advanced notice. GFE/GFE+ (whatever it means) probably requires two different donations. Both sides would have to know in advance which donation was going to be dropped at the front gate. Unless you want to dicker at the door while she counts the money.
To a news story about prostutution arrests. His post was pulled because the news link had real names. TER does not allow real names in posts, including links. You keep asking for proof but people can't give you proof, because of TER rules. You can probably find your proof just by googling though, or maybe you can nicely ask GaG by PM to send you the link. Anyway, I read the link before it was pulled, and these guys were arrested based on using terms like "GFE," and "full service."
As several here have mentioned, newbies (and even veterans with no legal background) should refrain from giving legal advice.
I saw the link and read the article.
These guys were all arrested because they showed up at an LE sting with large sums of cash in their pockets -- which is sufficient for a conviction. They all had different initial requests. One said "whatever." There is no legal significance to "whatever" either.
They responded to an ad for implied sexual services. They showed up. They had cash on hand. They would all be convicted on that basis.
Forget protocol as a means of protection from LE. It affords no protection at all. It is an illusion, and gives a false sense of security.
Better advice is for newbies to stick to long time well reviewed providers. Gina at P411 claims there is no case of a P411 client ever getting pinched in a sting. I don't know if that is true, but it seems reasonable. But follow the providers protocol as that will make her happy
In any event, just because some providers offer services that need to be established ahead of time doesn't make it legal. Hell, escorting in general is a massive legal gray area, so the idea is risk mitigation, not risk elimination.
No one is saying that using such terms will likely get you caught up with LE. In fact, the odds of being caught in a sting are fairly low, provided one does their due diligence prior to showing up for a date. What we're saying is that giving out misinformed advice on the newbie board isn't cool. So unless you're an attorney in the OP's jurisdiction, please don't give legal advice.
Remember too that many providers offer special services, such as Greek, that require preparation, and therefore advanced notice. GFE/GFE+ (whatever it means) probably requires two different donations. Both sides would have to know in advance which donation was going to be dropped at the front gate. Unless you want to dicker at the door while she counts the money.
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For someone new, I'd steer away from any discussion of services, esp in print (email or text). If there is a difference in donation for GFE and GFE+, you can always settle that with the provider when you are BCD with her. Personally, I would be reluctant to mention anything in relation to different types of visits, but that's just me.
I don't know if you could get busted for mentioning GFE or GFE+, but it depends on whether or not you are willing to take the chance, your decision.
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