Absolutely; nobody can tell if there'll be a 'click' between two parties, regardless of details. As always, YMMV. However, the idea is that if a provider considers herself to be providing a high quality GFE, and would like to reassure potential clients that certain aspects of service...like DFK, for instance, are on the menu (barring hygiene issues) and that a certain level of behaviour and discretion is on offer - and likewise expected from the client - she can send them to a site that clearly outlines what she will do her very best to provide.
Most of your information will come from her website. This is meant as an added feature to help you narrow your choice, should the things mentioned on the GFE Code of Conduct page be important to you.
I won't be getting into too many specifics, because as you've pointed out, it's the tone of an experience rather than a laundry list of specific acts that really define a GFE. I'm hoping that the women who feel *they* personify that tone will be interested in the GFE seal.
I've got a little something in the works; basically a "GFE Seal of Approval" if you will. Essentially, I'll offer women who ask and also appear to offer a high and consistent level of GFE service a button they can put on their sites. When clicked, it will take you to a web page outlining a code of conduct that these providers abide by; basic things like promptness, timely notice of cancellation, no upselling, accurate photos; stuff that in my opinion is just courteousness and good business behaviour.
They'll have to get the button directly from me, so I'll have a record of who should have it, to keep it from being randomly scooped.
Please note; I'm not charging anybody anything; this is meant to be a very low key thing that I've put together simply because I found the idea interesting, think it may be appreciated, and of course, because it is a minor marketing tool.
What do you think, gals and guys?
Great idea, except none of the things you mentioned specifically constitute a GFE to me.
(ie: a PSE could be prompt, timely, not upsell and have accurate photos)
Perhaps call your button something else.
But I love the idea of a better business bureau for the biz.
thanks!!
I will have more GFE-specific criteria as well; stuff like DFK and cuddling, and I'm considering also adding a safe sex aspect as well. I know there is some controversy over GFE and CBJ vs BBBJ. Personally, I don't think less safe means less GFE, but that's me. As always, it will be plainly stated that YMMV; hygiene and attitude will, naturally, affect any type of sp/client interaction.
But in my mind, which is not the safest place in the world, GFE doesn't mean DFK and other specific acts. I can get a PSE DFK and it's a different experience than a GFE DFK.
I can get a GFE BBBJ or CBJ.
But I can also get a PSE BBBJ or CBJ.
It's 100% about how the event is executed...not the event.
So telling me that a gal is a GFE simply means she's an experience that I'd get from my sexy girlfriend. It doesn't tell me weather or not she'll rim me or spank me or whatever.
It's different for every person.
I had a GFE fairly recently that was all about sexual technique and didn't have the heart to heart I'm used to experiencing in a GFE. It was really a PSE that was packaged for marketing in a GFE world. (And I'll go back for more when that's what my mood dictates, she was great.)
But attempting to tell me someone is a GFE because she is nice on the phone or DFK's or some other criteria won't fly with me because you can't tell me how it's gonna feel. And that's what tells me if she's a GFE or PSE or GGE (Geisha Girl Experience) or Pre-OP Transexual or etc. etc. etc.
Absolutely; nobody can tell if there'll be a 'click' between two parties, regardless of details. As always, YMMV. However, the idea is that if a provider considers herself to be providing a high quality GFE, and would like to reassure potential clients that certain aspects of service...like DFK, for instance, are on the menu (barring hygiene issues) and that a certain level of behaviour and discretion is on offer - and likewise expected from the client - she can send them to a site that clearly outlines what she will do her very best to provide.
Most of your information will come from her website. This is meant as an added feature to help you narrow your choice, should the things mentioned on the GFE Code of Conduct page be important to you.
I won't be getting into too many specifics, because as you've pointed out, it's the tone of an experience rather than a laundry list of specific acts that really define a GFE. I'm hoping that the women who feel *they* personify that tone will be interested in the GFE seal.
Something about how you're talking about the "button" doesn't sit well...and I bet it's ONLY semantics because I love your idea of running a site about "quality control".
But you can't tell me about GFE. You simply won't be able to do it. And I'm not even talking about the "click" between two people. All you got to go on is the woman's claim and a series of people confirming it. So that means reviews, per se, and fallible opinions and TER is already got a head start on you if you're intending a "review site" (which I don't think you are).
The other reason you can't do it is because we don't seem to agree... And If I don't agree with you, the most agreeable guy in the damn world, you're gonna have "semantics problems" cumming out your ears... My example again: You keep talking about DFK as if that is one of the criteria for GFE. It's not. Not by a long shot...As I've expressed above)
So unless you make a list of activities that constitutes a GFE in your book and then list what each woman does on the site, and then somehow guarntee that her DFK and Cowgirl are GFE and not PSE versions of the activity...I think you're screwed if you claim to be giving a "GFE Stamp".
In a way, it sounds like you're attempting to form an elite group but if your only criteria are women who are giving good, honest service in a GFE style...your button won't be elite because that's the modus operandi of thousands upon thousands of escorts.
The part of your idea I like is running an escort version of "the good housekeeping seal of approval"
Telling me she's upright and honest and delivers what she promises on her site is cool. How you're REALLY gonna find that out is beyond me but so is the way the "good housekeeping seal of approval" does it.
The last thing about the semantics of GFE is: you're excluding all the other experiences as if GFE is the only horse in the barn. Women who do BDSM only, pure PSE or something more unique, such as a Trans-folk experience who give equally honest, quality service are missing out in your system. You're system needs to handle everyone or else you're running a corner coffee shop in an elitist part of town instead of the quality site I suspect you want.
The weakness in all escorts sites I've ever been to, including TER, is because they weren't invented for what they've become.
"But you can't tell me about GFE."
**You're entitled to your opinion but you don't represent everybody.
"The other reason you can't do it is because we don't seem to agree..."
**Again, you don't represent all men out there who may be interesting in exploring the GFE aspect of the business.
"So unless you make a list of activities that constitutes a GFE in your book"
**Yes. Which, naturally, not every client will agree with. Such is life.
"and then list what each woman does on the site"
**No. That would be on her own site. If she's not offering what's on the page the button links to, she won't have the button in the first place. That's the point.
"The last thing about the semantics of GFE is: you're excluding all the other experiences as if GFE is the only horse in the barn.
**Obviously, if GFE is the only horse I'm interested in.
"Women who do BDSM only, pure PSE or something more unique, such as a Trans-folk experience who give equally honest, quality service are missing out in your system. You're system needs to handle everyone or else you're running a corner coffee shop in an elitist part of town instead of the quality site I suspect you want."
**Why does my system need to handle everyone? Are BDSM, PSE, and trans-folk who give great service somehow incapable or forbidden to make their own associations? These are different specialties that are not in conflict. Does offering pistachio ice cream somehow slight all other flavours out there?
Trying to be everything to everybody is a fool's mission because it's impossible. As I stated previously, this is a low key idea not intended to save the Universe, or even define GFE...it's offering an interpretation of GFE as agreed to by providers interested in displaying a simple button.
I thank you for your input and I respectfully propose we agree to disagree as it seems we are not very likely to understand one another.
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Sorry to irritate you, didn't mean to make you pissed off! (because I hope your scheme works for folks.)
talk to you later.
Not pissed off at all...just trying to explain my idea a little better 
except that the PE site actually carries photos and bios of the women who display the seal.
It's a great idea but the problem for you maybe in ensuring the integrity of the certification standard. What if a women displays the seal and engages in the tacky procedures you've mentioned?
I think I'd like to handle this by having an email address on the 'Code of Conduct' clients can use to contact me if they feel a particular sp is not sticking to it. I'll contact the provider to see what's up. Consistent complaints will get a request the seal be removed; if that doesn't happen, a notice will be put on the 'Code of Conduct' site stating that person is no longer affiliated. That'll be a damn good reason to stop referring people to that page via her undeserved button.
I'd like this to be as streamlined as possible, which is why I'd like to be involved strictly through providing the button and 'Code of Conduct' page, plus dealing with client/provider concerns as mentioned above - I'm more of a problem-solver than a real hands-on group co-ordinator.
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The real issue that I see is that you seem to be signing on to quite a task, and asking for no compensation. It seems that it will become more burdensome than it's worth to you.
good luck, however you choose to go...
i would like to see a standard definition of GFE, to me it includes DFK and DATY.
I may use *some* technical definition of GFE; it includes DFK and DATY to me as well, but I won't claim it to be any GFE standard lest I be beat like a pinata at Lil' Lord of the Flies Kidz Kamp
Everyone has a definition of this. Providers/Clients will always have a variation of what GFE consist of. Also, to protect myself, the less that I have of me defining my GFE attributes on my website, is what I am more comfortable with. I don't even have a detailed bio page on my website, butI do have a link to my reviews here on TER.
I do like the idea of a seal of approval, but there are providers, who like myself have 10+ plus of reviews where the seal of approval would not need to come into play. Reviews on TER are how we are judged, and I tend to be more comfortable with reviews, versus the seal. I could see where the seal would be for those who are starting out, to prove to those gentlemen that they are striving for the same excellence of some of us ladies with those 10+ pages of 8, 9, 10's.
I will have fingers crossed that the seal works out for you.
Thank you
You are quite right; you can't absolutely define GFE, so I'll have *a* definition, without claiming it to be *the* definition, for not unlike Jimmy Hoffa riding a tap-dancing unicorn, it is a mysterious and unfathomable thing. Maybe think of the seal as more a mission statement, as in; here, on this linked page is is what I'm striving to provide for my clients as a GFE provider.
That way you know "GFE" isn't being used as a buzzword without much thought as to what may be expected and what a GFE provider should ideally be bringing to a session.
The GFE translates into certain behaviors... BBBJ, Kissing w/Tongue, Multiple Shots on Goal... and a few other semi-useless euphemisms that I don't care for, but when I read reviews, the content tends to go in this direction.