This is mostly directed to the newbies who claim it's their first time, or don't have the necessary references, to book either newbie friendly, or not so newbie friendly providers:
1) please When you're asked what kind of work you do, or send an email from your work's email. Do not answer with "I'm not a cop". This will not put the provider at ease. Like at all!
2) cooperate with the questions asked. We know your privacy is important. You in turn, must understand our safety is just as important.
3) do not negotiate. This goes for newbies, and seasoned hobbyists. If someone is out of ur price range, so not complain about it. Just move one to someone who is.
4) not a lot of providers are newbie friendly due to the hassle of getting information from the newbie. Don't burn that bridge. Those girls will be the bridge that will connect you to see the providers you will want to see later in your hobbying career.
5) have fun, let loose, don't be so paranoid. If she has reviews and is well established. Don't act like we will do anything bad with your information. Remember. We just wanna be sure it's safe to meet you.
6) be punctual. Meeting a provider doesn't guarantee she will see you more, or be a reference for you. If you show up late. If you aren't well groomed. If you're too aggressive... Etc. that will probably be worse than not seeing her at all.
7) meeting a provider isn't an invitation for endless texts or emails afterwards. I know you probably just had a great experience with a very friendly provider. Understand that she is probably busy and the circumstances in which she met you isn't the same as meeting a girl at a bar who gave u her number.
I hope I didn't sound mean by writing this note. Please be mindful that these bullet points might not be all u need to know. But they will put you on the right path for a great hobbying career.
-- Modified on 1/8/2016 4:41:13 PM
I could quibble with your post here or there but I agree in general what you are saying Sash and your post didn't come off mean at all.
I would clarify the "cooperate with the questions asked" point a bit. A newb should only do so if they feel comfortable doing so.
Now their comfort may not meet your needs, so he should seek another provider if that is the case, like I have. For example, I refuse to give out my employment info or my real name.
Now it is almost never and issue as I have impeccable refs. When a lady demands it, I just say no thank you and move on, but I never argue with her. You are right, its her safety, she can ask for anything she chooses, and the guys have a right to decline.
As for paranoia I think it is a natural thing and a human thing. This is illegal after all and some providers have outed guys here so it can happen and newbs have a right to be cautious, but and abundant amount of paranoia is never good, we can agree.
Lastly, for point 3...well...I agree that newbs should not venture down the negotiation path in general. Seasoned vets, however, are quite another matter and a discussion to be had on another board at another time or thru the hundreds of pm's we share. lol
All in all a good post and one the newbs should follow.
I think the point is to dissuade newbies from asking for discounts right away. There is the myth out there that girls will take almost any cash offer and some guys can just be stupid about it. I.e. Asking a $500/hr provider for a fast BJ for $100. There is a difference between a regular getting a bit of a discount and a new hobbyist trying to pull frat boy games. The hobby is an expensive game that not everyone can play.
I would clarify the "cooperate with the questions asked" point a bit. A newb should only do so if they feel comfortable doing so.
Now their comfort may not meet your needs, so he should seek another provider if that is the case, like I have. For example, I refuse to give out my employment info or my real name.
Now it is almost never and issue as I have impeccable refs. When a lady demands it, I just say no thank you and move on, but I never argue with her. You are right, its her safety, she can ask for anything she chooses, and the guys have a right to decline.
As for paranoia I think it is a natural thing and a human thing. This is illegal after all and some providers have outed guys here so it can happen and newbs have a right to be cautious, but and abundant amount of paranoia is never good, we can agree.
Lastly, for point 3...well...I agree that newbs should not venture down the negotiation path in general. Seasoned vets, however, are quite another matter and a discussion to be had on another board at another time or thru the hundreds of pm's we share. lol
All in all a good post and one the newbs should follow.
I do not advise newbs to negotitate. Many experienced guys don't want to or can't so someone new shouldn't venture down that path.
Had sash only addressed her comments to the newbs, I wouldn't have said anything but she threw the experienced guys in there and she knows I disagree.
When newbs pm me about this, I always instruct them not to go down that road with a girl for they don't know the possible repercussions as you or I would.
Good distinction.
But still... Don't haggle. 😜
As a newbie, how am I able to hobby without giving that info?
#4 so so spot on. I had to see three different providers before I got the ok from the girl who I wanted to see. The three references got me into the hobby which I will forever be thankful for. No one starts from the top. You got to work your way there.
4. not a lot of providers are newbie friendly due to the hassle of getting information from the newbie. Don't burn that bridge. Those girls will be the bridge that will connect you to see the providers you will want to see later in your hobbying career
From the provider perspective... For me anyway, looking back I think I experienced a similar thing as a new hobbyist might....
That is, there were some hobbyists who I was hoping to see bc I heard they were fun, smart, exciting, etc --- but I wasn't approached by them until well after I was reviewed.
Someone was ABSOLUTELY right on in this thread when they said "no one starts at the top"!! 
The //not starting at the top// thought begs a question in my mind... When is one at the top? I may just start a thread on that topic! 
cooperate with the questions asked. Yes, a hobbyist's privacy is important. But, IMHO, the provider's safety is more important.
all of us, regardless of how long we have been involved. Even veterans can be reminded time to time of things they should do.
Re number 2, if a potential is uncomfortable with providing some your requested replies, he should use his own judgement to decide if he wants to give it or not, not just blindly follow your desires. He can always move on to someone else.
LLAP,
Swim
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