Who told you this? Vee hadn't seen this person for quite some time from what I have read. There was no mention of him being verified through RS2000 at any time. I have met Vee and know all about her situation, just because she saw this guy, does not mean he was screened by RS2000. Cheryl wasn't advertised by RS2000 either that I ever saw. Why the sudden smear job on RS2000 is what I want to know?? By people who aren't even customers? PM me and tell me your situation if you are a customer and I will get Cathy's side of it and post it here. I have given providers as references before, but I trust RS2000 implicitly. Don't knock it til you try it
I've never used RS2000, but I've been told by LE themselves that they are screened as "clients". What, exactly, does RS2000 do in the screening process to ensure that their members aren't LE? I know they are capable of going to great lengths to beat just about any screening process, so what is the benefit for paying for the same roll of the dice that you could take without even bothering to screen?
Should we really entrust our safety as providers to some distant and removed organization that will experience no litigation or fallout whatsoever in the event that their screening info is not genuine and we take a fall? Do they offer at least a refund of fees for a failed service when that happens, to go toward your legal fees when you get in trouble with one of their members who's really LE? Can you sue them when that happens?
Do they have the ability or interest in the form of self-protection to screen as well as the providers themselves? Do they just sign up LE and then when a provider takes a fall they delist them, and then the process just starts all over again? My future is just too important to risk, if that's the way it works, and directly from the horses' mouths (i.e. LE themselves), apparently it is.
I really wish everyone would stop supporting RS2000 and the other "screening" organizations, it is just throwing away money for nothing, and clients have gotten closed mouth and uncooperative with screening otherwise after signing up, because they are incensed that a provider would want anything else after RS has "screened" them. I have no need to ask RoomService anything, as that would be like calling Hershey's to ask, "Hey, do you guys make good chocolate?" knowing the glittering sales pitch I'd hear, when anybody who's ever had good chocolate knows it's garbage. I don't really care what "assurances" RoomService has to make, I know the most important issues are: LE is DEFINITELY on RoomService, not just possibly, and therefore their screening process DOES NOT WORK. They are therefore providing FALSE, not genuine, security, and charging for it in the bargain (not a bad deal for them, kind of like charging a client for an hour and then grabbing the money and running). RoomService is a classic rip-off, and providers who trust in their security by listing with them should rethink that BEFORE they have a problem and go back to relying on their personal screening methods. Clients would then have a consistency with personal one-to-one screening that they could anticipate and feel comfortable with before they call.
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I never trust my safety and security to a third party.
their screening or anyones is never good enough a cop can verify through a second job or business he owns.
Chicago is crazy right now if you are a provider I would only take refs from well known ladies.
Vanessa Sue was just viciously assaulted read the other board.
Stay safe
I've been a frequent visitor to Chicago because I love the town and I love the way I've been treated there. I had planned a mid-January visit and a lot of my gents already know that here. I'm rethinking guys. Wouldn't you?
Perhaps I'll just visit on notice to my regular clients only basis until Chicago becomes a little safer. Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome.
Sincerely,
Anneke
If that's only seeing those that you are familiar and comfortable with, than so be it.
If it means cancelling until some of the crap around here gets sorted out, nobody could(or at least they shouldn't) blame you for it. You wouldn't be the first as of late to do so, and I'm sure you won't be the last.
In the end, if you're not completely comfortable and at ease, how enjoyable is it going to be? Money, and the things we do to earn it, only go so far.
You must do what's best for you. But there's still many good clients in Chicago, and some may not have had the pleasure of meeting you. Please keep an open mind; there must be better ways to screen than RS2000. I've never had any reluctance in offering information to a well known provider. I want her to be comfortable in meeting with me. My guess is most good clients feel that way. Good luck.
tennis
I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to be safe and avoid potentially dangerous experiences. But, please, once they catch this crazy, don't hold it against Chicago! I think most of us really appreciate you girls and all you do for us!
the guy that beat Vanessa Sue was a regular client
Who told you this? Vee hadn't seen this person for quite some time from what I have read. There was no mention of him being verified through RS2000 at any time. I have met Vee and know all about her situation, just because she saw this guy, does not mean he was screened by RS2000. Cheryl wasn't advertised by RS2000 either that I ever saw. Why the sudden smear job on RS2000 is what I want to know?? By people who aren't even customers? PM me and tell me your situation if you are a customer and I will get Cathy's side of it and post it here. I have given providers as references before, but I trust RS2000 implicitly. Don't knock it til you try it
"a cop can verify through a second job or business he owns"
Right, but can they fabricate a professional reference through an obviously large, reputable company (think Prudential, IBM, large schools and hospitals) who have LIVE receptionists to put calls through or large official websites? I'm disappointed that clients are so uncomfortable with the work screen, because given the above circumstances, I am as comfortable as it takes to be charming and extremely generous during a session. Without it, I am tense, stiff, and standoffish. With a smaller company, you get even less of a guarantee, and with the retired or self-employed... I just unfortunately can't even consider those anymore. When a client cannot provide you with a number that someone else other than himself doesn't answer, whether it's in the yellow pages or not, he may very well be LE with a falsified company (not even one that he owns on the side, just a fabricated listing in the phone book).
And a note about the provider reference screen: Clients will call up out of the blue and say things like, "Hi, this is Mark, i saw you last year, do you remember me?" Mark, from last year, I now have a first name, and the person wants to know if I remember him. The same applies to references from other providers. If you use this method, clients, PLEASE plan to give us something to ask the other provider about your session. Do you remember what her room looked like or what you talked about? Is there anything anecdotal, like what kinds of dogs you have or where you got your master's, that she would remember about you?
The sentiment with clients, it seems, is to hold screening and the need for it against the providers, as we are not being "easy-going" enough, that we are breaking their balls or "annoying" them, but were the tables turned...
Unfortunately, in light of the recent events with providers being assaulted, it seems that the concept of safety has again turned to physical danger, but the most frequent and constant threat in this business has always been and will always continue to be LE. They are on the job EVERY single day trying to mess you up, coming into work and making a hundred phone calls, one after the other, to as many providers as they feel like from whatever publication or advertising forum, to see what "fish" they can catch. It's not whether or not they will call, but when and how soon. You should never think they won't get around to you, because they will, repeatedly. You CANNOT screen clients on-site. Once you have entered a room with a member of LE, there is NOTHING you can do or not do to prevent your being busted. They will happily lie about what you did or didn't do, and they will NOT go home empty handed, they will take you in, even if there's no reason to. Try defending yourself in court by pleading not guilty when it's your word as a provider against the unblemished word of a fine upstanding member of the force. Unless you're Rodney King and somebody else is filming it (with sound), you're pretty much screwed.
I would love to just be easy-going, get a little info, and make sure that I took enough personal precautions to prevent as best as possible any complications (a trusted neighbor watching out for me, doing outcalls only in homes and upscale hotels, letting my friends know where i'll be, never accepting calls from blocked numbers or payphones) without hassling my clients too much. I truly understand and empathize with how it must feel to be a client who is probably married but who feels a little naughty and wants to try something... Then when he calls a stranger from an ad he's confronted with the idea of having his intentions or his secret rendezvous exposed... I get it. But providers are women, generally at a disadvantage physically with men, and also under CONSTANT threat from LE.
So, clients, business cards do not work, and naive greenhorn providers, same to you. Providers who are intelligent and sane will not give out their location or come to yours until they determine whether or not you are LE. The double benefit to this type of screening is that in doing so you also eliminate the possibility of some more anonymous person showing up to do you physical harm. Providers who are cut rate are seemingly in general less stringent about screening, and that seems to be consistent with a less than stellar provider and a less than stellar service. Any provider who cares enough about herself to screen will also care more about what she does, and that is a benefit to any client.
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I have been a member for 5 years and thanks to roomservice2000 I have never been set up in a sting from shopping on there safe website.
On the other hand I don't know if LE has members on rsk2000 but I wouldn't think so, As I remember there tough screening process.
One thing I do know if a man decides to get an escort or a lady decides to be an escort your at risk of getting busted no matter what you do.
I have been in the adult business in one form or another off and on for 15 years (8 years solid this trip), and I have never even once heard of a client getting "stung" in any scenario other than a common undercover as streetwalker thing. They like it easy and simple.
On the other hand, the court dockets are full of providers going before the judge EVERY day, every week out of the year, in every city and every state across our nation. Statistically speaking, it irritates me, this paranoia about giving out screening info and should I call her or not because what if I get busted. Heidi Fleiss was publicly branded with the scarlet letter for (gasp!) pandering willing women to willing men. But how many of the clients from her book ever went in front of a judge? It has always been that way, and it will always be that way.
A client on another board was telling someone else to "steer clear" of a woman (not someone I know, but I'm compassionate, anyway) because she got busted recently, and I had to continue down the thread to read his reasoning. Apparently, this woman was an independent working out of an apartment complex on the north side of town, which said to me that she was simply home alone each time, privately engaged with each client. And then I'm wondering what these guys are thinking, that some SWAT team is going to come knock the door down with a battering ram during their session? The only chance these guys have to get into trouble with an incall provider is if she is working out of a spa or brothel with other people, and her client happens to be there when the LE "client" comes in to see someone else and then busts the entire house. It incensed me reading this, because I know how she feels about being scared to work on anyone new afterwards, and then these guys, whether they're regulars or just obviously (from their posts) not LE, are going to leave her high and dry at the very time that she needs support? Nice, love those "warm hugs" that clients and providers are always saying they feel for each other with their easy sentiments that don't amount to anything real in the end. I'm sorry, I know I'm off on a tangent, and as I said, I don't even know this woman, but it just really burned my britches to hear once again that kind of self-involvement navel gazing indulgence, at the provider's (who if she's any good has been working hard on these guys with a smile on her face up till now) ultimate expense.
I've been around awhile and not once have heard of LE being rs2k verified ..... Kathy is thourough and I for one appreciate and sigh alittle easier when they are rs2k verified ... when I have to spend all my time verifyinf a client I do not have enough time to play ...rs2k is a godsend !!!! as well as the boards like this so that I may stay informed & safe !!!
one more time: I have been told PERSONALLY by LE that they are on RS2000. I am not speculating on a rumor or forming a hypothesis or ASKING anyone "what do you think", i am STATING what LE has told ME directly (when I had the pleasure of making their acquaintance).
again, the owner is "thorough". so is vice. it's what they do for a living, all day every day. the adult business is their specialty, and they know it better than you or i or any moderator or webmaster or owner of a club... so the owner maybe turned them down once, and they figured out they'd have to do something different the next time. so they contacted her again from a different source and tried it again. maybe she rejected them a dozen times, maybe only 3 or 4, but i can guarantee you that eventually they figured out what they needed to be screened and got that way. maybe they got a buddy screened to use as a front, or maybe they came up with the right answers themselves. but if you think their egos are going to allow them to sit there in front of their superiors and mawkishly admit "yeah, we couldn't get into RoomService, they wouldn't let us in", you're smoking something REALLY good, puff puff pass. they will PERSISTENTLY pursue providers over and over again until they can get them, and for NO reason, as providers and clients, though there may be the occasional incident, are not hurting each other and/or the world at large, but are engaging in consensual joy. but do you think vice cares about whether everybody's just having fun? these early life forms for some reason think they have some higher calling, and they are damned determined to pursue it.
they ARE on RoomService. as the client said in another post, go ahead and throw a dart against the wall and save your money. you'll need it later for court.
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Let's just leave it at that!
know better not one case sweetheart to our knowledge and I have been around long enough I would have heard!!! LE will tell you whatever they need to, to scare you out of this business.. they want to prevent all the bad things from happening to us that we go thru.... It is their job to try to scare you out of the adult industry so while you meet them face to face ( & pay bond)we just play phone tag with them never actually meeting them and use the money to pay our ads instead of bond ....So continue with your ignorance if you wish ...Have a blessed day ... my 2cents
Traci of Chicago !!!!
well, fortunately i've never scared very easily, and it turned out quite swimmingly, anyway, just lost a few hours of sleep. i prefer to focus on being inscrutable enough to leave nothing to work with, but that's a different program, a long story for a rainy day.
"they want to prevent all the bad things from happening to us that we go thru" - that is funny. i believe, in fact, i've actually heard that from their own lips. so compassionate they are. i believe i congratulated them on their care and concern at the time. they're my guardian angels! i look so much greener that they, like nearly everyone, always assume that the hue must be due to my crawling out from beneath the cabbage leaves just that very morning.
and, like i said, if it's working out for you, at least for the time being, that's great, but i still do not believe that there is no way that the powers that be do not have the resources or the knowhow to crack something like RS2000. you know those cases of prominent high profile people that the feds keep trying to take down, and if one thing doesn't work, they keep working on other angles until it does? i'm sorry, but RS can only prove an impediment to the specialists who are working on cracking the code for so long. to think that it's 100% foolproof is just utter foolhardy naivete in my book.
One question - has it ever occured to the providers that RS2000 can say a hobbyist is OK in under a minute. Have they ever said let me check? I've never had to wait for more than ten minutes from the time a provider say she'll call me back until I' cleared.
I've never paid for a membership to RS2000 and yet they tell the providers that I'm OK. Providers call me back after making after making the normal inquiry about me - and say no problem.
If that happens with me - how many others have the same clearance given to me.
Don't always believe what you're told - Lots of people in this world get paid and don't deliver
With all the BS going on in the news at the moment - I think I'll take a que from Julianne and retire.
There are just as many crazy providers as their are hobbist out there
Ladies be careful - You might as well ask me if the guys OK -
I can throw a dart at the wall and say good or bad - at no cost
If you've never been verified thru RS2K, how are they able to say you're okay.
And also, how are the women calling RS2K to verify you unless you're telling them to because you are a member there?
Good questions ! Snow
I've been a RS2K member for 1.5 years and think Cathy's business is great for both hobbist and providers.
It seems that RS2K screening has been very effective since its inception, but nothing is 100% perfect, unfortunatly the recent events prove that. These deplorable acts may have been by someone Cheryl or Sue had previously seen (a regular), or did their own screening, or not have been related to the business at all.
Let's hope and pray these scumbags are caught and punished to the fullest extent.
Until then, IMHO we need to do whatever it takes to make sure our partners in the hobby recieve our understanding, kindness and support (they still have bills to pay) in this difficult time
Stay safe !!
That other post doesn't sound right. Cathy runs a tight ship from what I have observed. There might be a hidden agenda here
Maybe I did not make myself clear.
I have never paid for a membership to RS2000 - And I always get verified when the ladies calls. I have no idea why this happens - it just does.
All systems have their little quirks. Maybe there is a hobbist out there with the same name - which could account for this.
I do not have any agenda - I am just informing people that somehow I get virified.
it is a fact that visiting ladies have gotten arrested while following all of the rules of RS2000.
A cop can have a sie business and use that as info to verify.
Ladies only use refs from well known ladies and even then the guy may turn on you.
Look at Vanessa her attacker had seen her before and at that time didn't give her any problems.
No hidden agenda just trying to help the ladies wouldn't want another one murdered or attacked.
Sorry strike honey I am neither of those users you mentioned.
You obviously are a fan of RS2000 and could care less about the ladies' safety.
Well...
Since you asked, someone has been badmouthing that service on here and also on TBD. I have been with that service for quite a while...no problems and no sloppiness. Since there is badmouthing on another board, by a known troublemaker, that is just too much of a coincidence for me. Now do you understand what I wrote? No system is infallible and I am too smart to suggest that one is, but RS2000 has a good rep...not a bad one. There is a good reason for that. If you were a customer of that service you would understand exactly what I mean.
WELL SAID !! I agree with you completely, Sojourner7
the cops DO have a side business, printed in the telephone directory in chicago, and it also comes up on a yellowpages.com search. i can show anyone the name, and also the names of the guys in vice, anytime they're curious to check it out.
A Screen Name/Just Do Me/Chicago Bad Boy/Just A Brat/Beavis and Butthead/Jack Ryan posted a RS2K bashing post on TBD. He goes by Smart Ass here. I think Sojourner7 is right, there's a hidden agenda.
oh my GOD this is getting old.
alias: i just got BUSTED not too long ago.
reason for information: the COPS told me themselves!!! when i was getting BUSTED!!! get it? maybe they were LYING, but THAT is what THEY told me themselves! is this like the gossip game, where the first thing i said in my post: the COPS TOLD ME THEY WERE ON RS2000, gets twisted and forgotten about by the end of the thread? GO BACK AND READ WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID!!!
"hidden agenda": i just want to see my clients, be left alone, and go on with my life. i don't really even CARE what goes on with the various websites and boards and all those forums, just come over, let me do my thing, pay me, and let me get back to my life.
but, you know, it's just gotten exhausting and tedious trying to share important information, and i already know the information i need to take care of myself, so why did i even bother to share it with anyone else? go ahead, do whatever you want, and if you've never gotten busted yourself, i guess you'll find out when you do! wear nice thick pullover sweaters and socks at all times (your clients may not like it, but you should be prepared), because if you go to jail the cells are COLD, and they don't issue blankets (it's part of the "scared straight" concept). if you get busted while you're dressed all slinky and sexy, you will freeze your ass off. so as long as you insist on relying on RS2000 for your screening, i really would suggest wearing the polarfleece and wool socks whenever possible.
when you do get out, for your defense i would recommend joel obenberger, as he specializes in adult services cases. when i first came to chicago to work, btw, i had scheduled an appointment with him in which i sought information PROACTIVELY about what to expect from LE in chicago (not a bad thing to do when you go to a new city). even though it didn't help me avoid the situation in the end, it did give me a heads up on what to look for and how to conduct myself, and because of that it worked out far better in the end than it would have if i had been working without any knowledge. spend a few dollars and go ask HIM if LE is on RS2000, or has the capabilities to get through the screening process. and NO, this isn't Joel Obenberger, either! this is a provider who was trying to be helpful but is getting TIRED of trying. this idea of repeating myself over and over and over again ad nauseum is just way old now, so consider this my last transmission.
and, just for the record, i don't even go to TBD. there are no recent reviews of me on there, and my clients don't use that site anymore. maybe, just MAYBE, whoever is "bashing" RS2000 has logical reasoning for doing so, but i wouldn't know as i haven't seen the posts. but believe what you want, i'm tired of listening to it.
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I was responding to the post by Sgt Mjr not you. He's the troublemaker I was talking about. I don't care who you are or what lawyer you use.