The one posting under an aliASS is the one name calling. You have no idea why he may feel loyal to the agency! I'm not saying he shouldn't see her as an independent, but you have no right to judge him for asking the board for advice.
kc
Here is this provider that I saw few weeks ago thru an agency. She was running late. I guess the agency gave her my cell number to call me and tell me that she was going to be late. That's how she got my cell number.
Anyway, I did like her company and told her that I would be seeing her again. Now she calls me and tells me that she doesn't work for the agency anymore and I should call her directly to meet her. The problem in that picture is that she is actually still working for the agency (they still have her on their website and I asked them if she's available and they said she is). She is obviously trying to make an extra buck by dealing with me directly. I do want to see her again. Now, if I aks her agency to setup the meeting, she'd definitely feel that I have called her bluff. If I don't, I deprive the agency of their cut which I think they deserve because they have provided very good service to me. What should I do?
You should see her. Good agencies have many providers available and realize the some will become independents. The provider may be testing her luck as an Indie. Give her a chance. The only drawback that I see is that she fibbed to you about her status with the agency, the fib may be just a run of the mill white lie or it may be a small indication of her true character. You want know unless you give her a try. Life itself is about discovery.
I changed my mind, and agree with stilltryin.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I think it is great when a lady is able to escape her pimp or madam. She may need to take a few clients with her in order to break out on her own. Ladies are not property, they are just as entitled as any doctor or lawyer to leave their employer, and tell their clients they can see her as an independent.
Unless you've got a stake in the agency, fuck-em. No one wants to see a pimp starving on the street but their very good at looking out for themselves. If she can go solo and ring your bell, why do you need a chaperone(sp)?
The one posting under an aliASS is the one name calling. You have no idea why he may feel loyal to the agency! I'm not saying he shouldn't see her as an independent, but you have no right to judge him for asking the board for advice.
kc
If she doesn't have the agency breathing down her neck, she can (usually & hopefully) relax and provide a better level of service! 
As for the agency, it's all easy-come-easy-go for them. They're not going to cry over a few bucks. Drop in the bucket for them..and the're always someeone else right behind both of you, ready to fill in the gap.
So go for it!
You know I am not a big fan of agencies. Only becuase I like to set my own hours and see who I wish to see when I want to see them. BUT why do think of all agency owners as pimps?? I think there are quite a few ladies who perfer to work thru an agency rather than independant for many different reasons. Besides I guess I think of pimps as someone who runs street girls NOT higher end escorts.
Naughtiness
Kadi
Dear Kadi:
Unfortunately many agencies are pimps. Ladies are frequently bullied to see more clients than are comfortable with, and people they do not want to see. The agent will take up to half of their earnings for doing little to no work. I know someone who used to work for $$$$/hour incall agency who told me that her former boss pushed drugs, pushed for sexual favors, demanded she work double the hours she was comfortable with, was verbal abusive when ever she said no, called her family members to check up on her, and stalked her. As I said in my post, ladies are not property.
PS I checked out you web-link. You look hot.
Any chance you might visit LA in the near
future?
True, some agencies are "pimps".
Some agencies do excel at unfair business practices for the ladies and the clients.
The operative word is "some" not all.
You have your anecdote about a bad agency, so I have one about a good agency.
I know a lady (I do believe in many cases a lady running things does make a difference) that owns and runs a small agency, usually around 4 or 5 ladies and no more than 7 ladies, working for her.
She Has rented a two bedroom, two bath (each room as it's own bath) apartment for incall (she almost exclusivly does incall, except for very good and established clients).
She provides all of the necessary supplies, condoms, toilettries, linens, cleaning supplies, food and beverages, cable TV, and fully furnished the apartment, as well as the phone and other utilities.
She pays for the creation and maintenance of the website. She does all of the screening and appointment setting with the clients.
She takes care of the pictures the ladies need for the website.
She has work schedules for the ladies that work for her, of the hours they are to be at the incall location, she does require they be at the location during their work hours part of why she provides food and cable TV.
The ladies work, when they are at the job and don't have to do anything concerning the business once they leave at the end of their schedule.
The only out of pocket expenses for the ladies is clothing, medical and getting to work each day.
For all of this, the lady that runs the agency takes around 30%, and would never touch a lady's tips.
Hell, she doesn't ask ladies to work for her, they ask if they can, she even has independant ladies that work for her part-time because she has a good reputation and a loyal clientele (which is very handy when business is slow for the idependant ladies).
So, when a lady is working for this agency and takes clients aside and tells them to call her directly instead of going through the agency, it doesn't sit all that well with the lady that runs the agency...go figure. She does the screening, advertising, etc. and for a lady to take advantage of all of that to take clients isn't seen as the most honorable business practice (she has even had ladies that had keys to the incall take clients to that location after hours for their directly booked appointments, and often for the same fee, the lady just keeps the difference, so it doesn't alway equate to a savings for the client as some have implied.).
Now I will be the first to admit that this agency is rare, but it does exist, and to approach all or most agencies based on the worst isn't what one would characterise as fair, and does a disservice to the agencies that are actually good and that do try and be fair to the ladies and clients.
In this case if the lady is ready to go independant, why doesn't she get herself a website?
Do her own advertisement and screening?
Get clients from her reviews and reputation instead of just getting a client through the agency, and then once she believes he is safe and satisfied, do an end run to cut out the agency that allowed her to even see the client in the first place?
That could be viewed as a bit of a predatory business practice in it's own right.
Counsel for the defense rests.(*whisper* I think that went well Mr Devil *whisper*)
There are good independant ladies and bad, and there are good agencies and bad. None of the parties on either side of the equation are exactly the same. Painting an entire business, agency or independant, with such broad strokes, good or bad, is an effective way to blur the picture.
What should "ftian69" do?
Hell if I know.
I think it would depend a lot on the agency in question and the lady, and what he hopes to get out of either action.
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Ladies are people not property. They have every right to leave their employer and take their clients with them. All service providers are free agents. Whether they be attorneys, accountants or architects. There is a certain bottom line that the company is making money off their skills and efforts, and if it is not worth their while to continue their employment, they have every right to leave their company and take their clients with them.
This is especially true for escort who are extremely vulnerable to exploitation. Though there is probably a higher level of abuse by pimps, than madams, I am sure there are plenty of horror stories endured by escorts working for women.
It would be interesting to hear from some of the ladies, who have had experiences in these matters, talk about their experiences.
I had no idea we were cutting Mary Poppins out of the deal. I feel horrible.
Very well said Webbie Uhh Mr Devil (LOL still not at you). As far as taking clients with you when you leave to go indie I don't think that is wrong. As someone else stated escorts are people not property so are clients; people not property. Clients should be able to see whomever they want.
But some agencies do have photos of ladies who do not work for them or no longer work for them on there site. So maybe the lady in question does not work for that agency any longer and they just haven't taken the photos of her down.
Naughtiness
Kadi
PS LA- sooner or later.
Quote: "So maybe the lady in question does not work for that agency any longer and they just haven't taken the photos of her down."
Very true, and I would be inclined to give the same benefit of the doubt of the original poster hadn't made a post yesterday sating:
"a friend of mine hired her services thru the agency yesterday."
So she hasn't left, but is still getting her clients through the agency. She may intend on going independant, but she hasn't yet.
Is the agency THAT reputable? Agencies bait-and-switch all the time. Or maybe she quit, but the booker hadn't been told yet. She could be telling the truth.
If everything IS as you believe, you should just do what you're comfortable doing. If you feel it would be wrong to book her direct, go ahead an book her through the agency. I'm sure she'll understand.
However, I don't think it would be unethical to book her direct. SHE obviously doesn't think so. It would depend on her agreement with the agency. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. With porn stars, this happens all the time. Of course we're talking about bigger money there. One PS I know of books direct for $800, but an agency has her listed for $1500! The PS Board is all about booking direct. Your girl might cut you a deal, too. You win; she wins!
Because a friend of mine hired her services thru the agency yesterday.
see the provider if you liked her.
Bill you're incorrect here. The pimps usually aren't as good in the sack, and never as cute as the girls. Don't screw the pimps.
But I would call her directly.
My vote: book direct.
If you book through the agency after she has already asked you to book directly, she may not be happy with you.
First of all, there are alot of good agencies out there who treat their employees, contractors, and customers well and are fair with them. They're not all sleazebags as some on here think.
Many girls will start with an agency and then try the indy waters. Agencies know this and good agencies will usually work with them. They've found that it works better than having her as an enemy. In all likelyhood she's working indy and they know it, but they still keep her on their site, say she works for them, and they still give her bookings. Everybody wins - it happens a bunch.
I wouldn't sweat it. Give her a call on her cell and enjoy her company. If you like the agency and/or feel some debt to them, book other girls through them.
Pay direct. Last time I checked it was us that did the dirty tough work anyway. There are a million girls out there. She tickled your fancy. Book her direct and make her more happy while she makes yourself happy. You can sugar coat this later, but I am not sure if you are on a diet, so I will give you this with extra lemon. You asked.
Karmacoma and the rest of the forum "political correctness nazis" will get you!
Do I think it would be stupid to pay a middleman when the supplier contacts you direct? HELL YEA, but we don't know the whole story either. As far as me responding to netmichelle, she is welcome to say what she likes. She is always upfront about her opinion, and as far as I know doesn't hide behind an aliASS when stating how she feels.
kc
Please, don't tell me this question is for "real?" Tell you what, see the girl and send the difference to the United Way.
You have been attacked a little for asking an honest question.
You have both numbers and the green, so you get to do as you please. There is no reason to be remorseful for calling her directly, the agency doesn't own her.
It's really between the agency and her, but you should help the poor girl stay ethical!
And as we know, all escort contracts include this in section 17, clause three, known in legal circles as the "no fucking cheaper" clause. But the court of appeals still has to rule on its constitutionality...
No, that's just my fantasy universe where prostitution is legal.
Now, ftian69, do you really feel guilty about this? Unbelievable! You have no agreement with the agency to pass up a better deal. They may be pissed, so what? They're capitalist pimps, underneath they understand, and they'll take it out on her if they find out. But she's probably making the jump to indy status anyway.
The agency has had a "cut" from your cash already. If you want to pay them anyway, you're addicted to red ink. You need to stop sniffing it.
I can scarcely believe what I am reading. How is a contract between an SP and an agency different ethically/morally than any other one?
Every one of you would scream like stuck pigs if, after taking the risk and developing talent, would have said talent abandon you/your firm with no notice AND compete directly by taking away good clients.
You can justify the action any way you like but you cannot escape the fact that a deal is a deal. How the hell can any of us operate in the world if everyone acted purely in self-interest, honor and integrity be damned?
Put yourself in the risk-taker's shoes, people. Then tell me how horrible you are for giving work to an SP, taking LE risk, and providing (in many cases) payment services (ability to accept credit cards). How is the "pimp" different from so many entertainment entities that will not provide work for anyone, for even the smallest job, absent a multi-year non-compete?
Pathetic.
She wants to see you directly let her. She provides good service. This thread is kind of strange. There are many services that have old girls on the site that no longer work there anymore. I have seen them. I personally can't do the agency thing when I am in there doing all the work and splitting my money. That's flunked up to me. See her and have fun.
I recently called a roofing company for an estimate on some work. The estimatior came out, and gave me a low price. I told him to do the work, but he didn't show up on the day we scheduled. I called the company to find out what happened, and they told me he had been planning to do the work on the side, that they did not approve of this, and I'd have to use the company, but they couldn't do it at the price he gave me.
Awhile back, I called a home care agency for help with an elderly relative. They sent out someone who did the job well, and I arranged with her thenceforth to work for me on her own, which she did for some time satisfactorily, at a lower price than through the agency.
The point is, this happens in all trades, and if you have a chance to make a good arrangement, go ahead and do what's best for you. Sometimes it may work out and sometimes not.