His intentions on this thread notwithstanding, you get a better feel from WJG from his other threads, especially the one where providers with 10+ reviews are "overexposed." If it were just this post, he would be entitled to the benefit of the doubt, but its not. His self imposed break might be good for him.
Many of you jumped on WJG for his less than sensitive comments about a provider that 99% of us will never meet. It ocurred to me that he was trying to do the "right" thing, but the result was all wrong. Conversely, I don't know if any of us gave him the right advice because we were too busy spanking his ass (he might enjoy that) to really discern his true motives; nor could he really explain them himself.
I can't for the life of me understand how something meant to helpful was perceived to be hateful. I may never know, but in the hope of finding the the best parts of ourselves through true debate, what could he have really done if this person were in true need? Knowing nothing of her personal situation and making no assumptions, the ugly truth is that all of us need help from time to time. Who among us knows the clarity of a fresh perspective everyday? Maybe doing the right thing is doing nothing. People make the choices of their lives for reasons that none of us can truly understand. Whatever the reason that WJG thinks she's sad are not for public consumption. The next time anyone wants help, let them ask for it.
I guess the only question remains: Does anyone have a price check on a brain?
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His intentions on this thread notwithstanding, you get a better feel from WJG from his other threads, especially the one where providers with 10+ reviews are "overexposed." If it were just this post, he would be entitled to the benefit of the doubt, but its not. His self imposed break might be good for him.
First, not all the responders to WJG were hobbiests; some were providers.
As in any circumstance where one takes an action, based solely upon their desire to satisfy their own needs (his guilt, whatever), they proceed without a thought as to the consequences of their actions as they affect the lives of others. WJG is not the only person to have done this recently. One recent poster (not a part of this thread) came to the conclusion that providers are druggies.... others have made other, similar presumptions. The point of the most thoughtful posts have been, "who are you to judge?"
With respect to WJG, first, why post this very private and personal portrait of the struggles of a young lady - in such a public and potentially harmful way? Except to draw attention to himself! IF he had that amount of feeling and emotion for this individual, why not do something privately - it is possible.
Second, he still seems not to have "gotten it" from the continual posting of "Sympathetic messages" on this board. Providers, as a general profession, do you wish sympathy, or to be treated with respect, dignaty and appropriate consideration? I suspect you will take the respect and dignaty any day over "sympathy."
This raises the general question of what to share on this board... WJG raised a very good point when he suggested that "talks to much" may have been a better response... While I do not agree with that, when a provider shares too much with me, that fact stays there, it does not go elsewhere. What providers share with me also stays there.
In any case, this board discussion group, IMHO, was not too harsh with WJG simply because it was such a personal thing that was done - and guess what - he got caught. There was a smoking gun. But to confound the issue - he has failed to consider what he says going forward.... Again IMHO - he would be wise to calm down and meditate on this for a couple of weeks. He has a lot to digest.
A few facts
1. I have admitted I was wrong to post the link of the provider.
2. As far as the provider with 14 pages of reviews, there were people who posted in agreement of my assessment.
3. I received pm's from 5 providers apologizing for what happened on the national board and thanking me for my level of concern. They said most clients don't care.
Where was your collective outrage on the post below?
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Facts? yes, you probably have had private messages... but again- why do you think that they were sent privately?
and more important than FACTS are emotional growth. without which you will continue to deal with people (not just providers) in a very similar fashion.
In my profession, we sometimes give out bad news... difference on how people take the news is in how it is presented.... Think about the perceptions of you that you are creating/changing on this board... again, advice - stay silent and think about it for a couple of weeks...
By the way, I have hobbied prior to 10 years ago before my "ex-marriage" and hobby now... so I have seen a lot of changes in the hobby.... of a technical nature (cell phone, internet, etc). So while my alter ego has a few reviews... I waited until I had a double diget number reviews posted before I "chimed in" on this board...
And while your 3 reviews do not demonstrate harming anyone... there is a flavor to the three of them in the aggregate... Did you enjoy anyone?! ever? While I have had some that were not so good, I have had some great sessions that I did not post --- They were just too personal! read anything you like into that - simple truth - one of them I value so much that even the provider does not know how much that night meant to me! So, you either don't know how to select a woman who can excite and please you, or somethin! wish I could help, but I think that contemplation is your need now.
Good luck.
Your admission of wrong is nice, but belies the trail of other posts showing the same level of lack of consideration. Point in fact, your derision of many reviews of a provider. I wasn't posting in June or I would've attacked that post also. On this last point, you put providers between a proverbial rock and a hard place: they need reviews so we, as hobbiests, know they're worth our time & $, yet you want them like virgins (sans reviews) and we won't touch them because we don't want to TOFTT. What gives?
A few things you should consider.
People post idiotic things on this board all the time. When they do, they often get heat about it and most of them keep it to less than a half dozen threads. When it gets out of control, it accomplishes nothing because the same things repeat over and over again ad nauseum.
Lots of people have personal insight or know personal facts about providers they see. You almost never see people posting personal information about specific providers OR other hobbyists on this board WITHOUT their knowledge and permission. When they do, they get far more heat about it than when they post idiotic things. Why? Because on an anonymous board, with the nature of the *type* of board this, personal information is MUCH more important than some anonymous person expressing some half-wit opinion.
Fine, you figured out that was inappropriate to post personal info after people told you, and apologized for it. We got that on the original thread. Now you keep post after post defending yourself, maybe not realizing that alot of the moderated posts are delayed by hours, which means that you will hear opinions that were written before your latest five responses. Your constant need to post and what you are posting make it clear to me it is NOT about the lady in question or even ladies in principle who have a tough go of it. No, it is now about (if it was not from the start) all about you. Your need to prove you are right and show you have a heart or I guess in your case, trying to show you're developing one, when it is such a simple and intuitive matter to know it is something you handle privately.
If you've learned anything, you would stop posting on the national board and pick up the phone to call and apologize to her for any inconvenience. You would keep your mouth shut so this issue would finally die a much deserved death because you aren't accomplishing anything in terms of actual discussion (I still have no idea what your point was...they have issues, OK. So does everyone. You got a clue from that they're real people okkay, like most of us knew in the first place. Your point? Or rather, your point you need to say over and over again?) I think is likely you have done more harm than good for the lady you started this discussion about and if she is reading, she sees this discussion snowball continuing on and on. It's time to stop it.
As I said before, many of us learn personal things about our providers. If they aren't doing well, we talk to them and find out if maybe they're having a bad day. Maybe do something sweet like get them a little gift they'll like to raise their spirits. It's interpersonal relationships basics 101 you can apply to any person. The only unique thing about providers is the line between business/personal is harder to determine than most relationships, so you have to walk it more carefully. Oh, and yeah, keeping your mouth shut on knowledge of or speculation on personal & sensitive matters such as kids, childhood traumas etc. is even more important because of the nature of the business.
If the topic of personal issues in provider's lives is so important to discuss on the national board of an escort forum, I am sure one of them can start the topic. My guess is most of them, just like most of us, like to keep the vital matters of our private & personal life off the board. Take a clue from that.
That's it, I'm done. I sincerely hope this matter is finally ended by you WJG and yes, all of you who continue to beat this dead and maggoty corpse of a horse. I'm sure there'll be replies to this post but I will not be replying to continue this discussion any more. You can PM me if you really want a response.
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