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Grandfathering, haggling and low-balling
AnonyMiss 578 reads
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I don't think so Bob.  This is a woman who's not advertising and not seeing new guys.  

There's a difference between grandfathering and haggling.  Grandfathering is normal and fine.  Haggling, i.e., making offers and counteroffers back and forth endlessly is something I can't comment on as I've never done it and would never do it.  

Low-balling is even worse.  Twice now a guy has written me asking for "hh fs for 80."  It's offensive and I just delete his emails.
Posted By: Bob.Sugar
Next time don't be so quick to make that offer....don't negotiate against yourself.  
   
 I'll bet had you tossed out something around..say, $ 800 she may have come back with..."how about $ 900".  
   
 At least you've taken a positive step towards understanding that everything is negotiable.  
   
Posted By: donbecker54
Email #1: can we meet? Answer was yes.    
  Email #2: can we meet at 6 pm on Thursday the 27th? Answer was yes and date confirmed.    
  Email #3: can we meet for the same rate as last time ($1300 for 3 hours)?  
     
  I did get an email back from her accepting my offer. She apologized for the delay, but had been out of town and away from email.

There's a provider I saw last year who I decided to try to see again. She's not advertising, and hasn't had a review since last year. I thought maybe she'd retired, but I sent an email to her last known provider email address just to see. She replied saying that she wasn't pursuing new customers, but was still seeing some prior customers. She said she'd be glad to see me.

I emailed her back to ask about a date and time. We agreed on those. She then asked how long a date I wanted. I replied back saying that last year, prior to her rate increase to $500/hour, she'd seen me for $1200 for three hours, and I gave her a $100 tip. I asked if she could see me for three hours for $1300. I was thinking about Jack Dunphy's posts when I did this. ;)

Anyway, I haven't heard back from her since her last email on Tuesday, so I guess I breached her standards of etiquette. I figured that she had her rates posted on her site, which is still up, and she knew me well enough from before to let me be one of the few, the proud (but not a Marine) to see her, so mentioning money wouldn't be out of line.

I also figured that discussing this ahead of time would be the most appropriate. Asking once I was there if she'd reduce her rate to $1300 would be rude IMO. Asking for two hours and then waiting to see if she'd do a third for $300 more would risk her setting aside only two hours, and would probably seem rude, too.

I learn something new every time.

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but the amount is not out of line as many girls offer that same exact rate as yours. Just know that 3 hrs for the price of 2 hrs is not uncommon either. Since she's not doing new clients and might not desperately need funds, she could blow you off. OTOH, she might be busy and has not read your latest offer.  

Btw, if you demand a constant fucking for 3 straight hours then you're really fucked! lo

I doubt that there would be a total of half an hour of actual sex over the period of three hours. I like to cuddle and feel and look and talk.  

$500 an hour is way above the average rate for her city, which is about $300

GaGambler639 reads

If you had first confirmed an appointment, and THEN asked if your rate was grandfathered your chances would have increased tremendously. Now she most likely thinks of you as a "haggler" and unless and until she really needs the money it's quite likely you won't hear from her.

but if you didn't think she was worth $1,500 for three hours, than by no means should you agree to it. Her loss and your loss. I am sure she will find more customers and you will find more hookers. life certainly goes on.

Email #1: can we meet? Answer was yes.  
Email #2: can we meet at 6 pm on Thursday the 27th? Answer was yes and date confirmed.  
Email #3: can we meet for the same rate as last time ($1300 for 3 hours)?

I did get an email back from her accepting my offer. She apologized for the delay, but had been out of town and away from email.

Bob.Sugar574 reads

Next time don't be so quick to make that offer....don't negotiate against yourself.

I'll bet had you tossed out something around..say, $ 800 she may have come back with..."how about $ 900".

At least you've taken a positive step towards understanding that everything is negotiable.

Posted By: donbecker54
Email #1: can we meet? Answer was yes.  
 Email #2: can we meet at 6 pm on Thursday the 27th? Answer was yes and date confirmed.  
 Email #3: can we meet for the same rate as last time ($1300 for 3 hours)?  
   
 I did get an email back from her accepting my offer. She apologized for the delay, but had been out of town and away from email.

AnonyMiss579 reads

I don't think so Bob.  This is a woman who's not advertising and not seeing new guys.  

There's a difference between grandfathering and haggling.  Grandfathering is normal and fine.  Haggling, i.e., making offers and counteroffers back and forth endlessly is something I can't comment on as I've never done it and would never do it.  

Low-balling is even worse.  Twice now a guy has written me asking for "hh fs for 80."  It's offensive and I just delete his emails.

Posted By: Bob.Sugar
Next time don't be so quick to make that offer....don't negotiate against yourself.  
   
 I'll bet had you tossed out something around..say, $ 800 she may have come back with..."how about $ 900".  
   
 At least you've taken a positive step towards understanding that everything is negotiable.  
   
Posted By: donbecker54
Email #1: can we meet? Answer was yes.    
  Email #2: can we meet at 6 pm on Thursday the 27th? Answer was yes and date confirmed.    
  Email #3: can we meet for the same rate as last time ($1300 for 3 hours)?  
     
  I did get an email back from her accepting my offer. She apologized for the delay, but had been out of town and away from email.

Bob.Sugar451 reads

And you said you have no experience with it.

Many of "us" have lots of experience with it...and many of "us" understand the dynamics of this game.

Maybe YOU won't haggle, negotiate or whatever you'd like to call this...but in my experiences most people will entertain offers...make a counter-offer and ultimately come to terms.

Maybe one day you'll understand this.  Maybe not.

Posted By: AnonyMiss
I don't think so Bob.  This is a woman who's not advertising and not seeing new guys.    
   
 There's a difference between grandfathering and haggling.  Grandfathering is normal and fine.  Haggling, i.e., making offers and counteroffers back and forth endlessly is something I can't comment on as I've never done it and would never do it.    
   
 Low-balling is even worse.  Twice now a guy has written me asking for "hh fs for 80."  It's offensive and I just delete his emails.  
   
Posted By: Bob.Sugar
Next time don't be so quick to make that offer....don't negotiate against yourself.  
     
  I'll bet had you tossed out something around..say, $ 800 she may have come back with..."how about $ 900".  
     
  At least you've taken a positive step towards understanding that everything is negotiable.  
     
Posted By: donbecker54
Email #1: can we meet? Answer was yes.    
   Email #2: can we meet at 6 pm on Thursday the 27th? Answer was yes and date confirmed.    
   Email #3: can we meet for the same rate as last time ($1300 for 3 hours)?    
       
   I did get an email back from her accepting my offer. She apologized for the delay, but had been out of town and away from email.

GaGambler573 reads

and for the record, yes you did do things correctly and it appears as if you were properly rewarded.

Now you can only hope she rewards you with a good time this time out.

Posted By: GaGambler
and for the record, yes you did do things correctly and it appears as if you were properly rewarded.  
   
 Now you can only hope she rewards you with a good time this time out.
I thought I was clear, but I guess not.

I had a good time last time, it just got off to a rocky start.

Visiting this particular lady again, or negotiating her price?
Any time you attempt to negotiate, you must be willing to accept the possibility that you will lose your chance to visit with that provider entirely. I believe Mr.Dunphy has made remarks along those lines, as well.  :-)

If you are willing to pony up her posted rate, then contact her again. Apologize profusely and ask for another chance.

She may still not respond, but at least you will have tried.

 

xoxoxoxoxoxoxo

 



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The first time I saw her, a ton of things went wrong. She was running late, but she sent an email to the wrong address. I arrived promptly, went to the door, and she was still in the shower. She came to the door in a bathrobe, with wet hair and no makeup. She didn't remember my name, and called me "my one o'clock". She didn't have the wardrobe I'd suggested, which was very simple and common. There were other things, too.  

All this got me rattled, and I had planned to leave after the two hours I'd booked. But as we talked and did things, I really got to liking her. I've thought about seeing her many times over the last year, but the thought has always stuck with me that she never said "I'll make it up to you". I thought that was odd. I thought she didn't give a damn, but she at least was open to seeing me again when she's not seeing many guys at all.  

Maybe my offering her the old rate was my way of getting her to make it up to me.

It's been five days. There's another provider I want to see very much, and she makes a bid deal on her site in the Etiquette section about not trying to haggle price.

The quickest way to ensure that you'll never hear back or be put on a lady's blacklist is to offer up something less than what she states.

Just play by the rules and you won't have any issues.

Bob.Sugar667 reads

But there are no real rules in this game.

Don did everything right the first time with her...she acted like a prima donna...not sure why in the world he'd think of going back...but whatever.

By offering her the "old" rates was far more generous than I would have been.  And I don't have issues with someone ignoring my request either.  Rarely do they however!!

One of my good friends has a saying here...I'll pay for pussy...I'll beg for pussy...HOWEVER I won't beg to pay for pussy  ;)

Posted By: AHappyCamper
The quickest way to ensure that you'll never hear back or be put on a lady's blacklist is to offer up something less than what she states.  
   
 Just play by the rules and you won't have any issues.

I don't recall anything about begging for anything. Seeing someone a year ago just once and asking about being grandfathered in at her old rates generally doesn't fly.  

Being that this is a Newbie board, I simply provided my own comment to which the OP has the option of reading or disregarding.

Seeing someone a year ago just once and asking about being grandfathered in at her old rates generally doesn't fly.  
Why not? Jack Dunphy's disciples see someone for the first time and ask for rates from the 1990's. ;)

and if you have luck  negotiating with the ladies, more power to you. But don't come back and ask why your not getting a response when you attempt to do so.

You asked a question, folks gave you honest feedback.

I know they (and you) did. Thank you

They make offers. And things progress from there. Almost all will accept or counter, contrary to Mr. "Happy" John here.

TER is thinking of giving me my own board.

The working title is:

"Deep Thoughts on Negotiating"...by Jack Dunphy. Lol

I'll give you an A for effort and an F on execution.  

Keep pitchin' and remember my motto...

"You never get a second chance to make a first negotiation." :D :

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