I believe that's a bit of an over statement as there have discussion of this for about a month now and quite a few of us like the effort to limit the rate inflation that has so many 10s.
While I disagree with tying the performance evaluation to a bundle of services that's what TER as been doing all along. As long as the rules are applied uniformly (and this approach will produce more uniformity in the rating across all reviewer than the prior approach did) it will ultimately not favor anyone provider over another. There is that line in most reviews a lot of us look for -- "Will Repeat." When we read the review and see the actual services we know what the rating means. I think TER's big mistake was the communication of the change. Maybe they learned, maybe they could care less as it's their site and pretty damn successful. On this line the suggestion I would make would be a news streamer on the main page about these types of changes and a link to a more detailed explanation available in advance with a effective date published.Is everyone aware of the new policy that
"An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she performs one or some of the following DURING A SESSION: Kiss with tongue (DFK or LFK), Bare-Back Blow Job (BBBJ), Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum."
I just read my most recent review. The client actually wrote that he would have given me a higher score if he was "allowed."
I would understand slightly better if only PERFORMANCE were tied to this stipulation. But I am NOT an 8, physically, so that's one huge problem.
Another huge problem is that, according to many ignorant people, The Erotic Review is probably basically viewed as a pimping website. Of course, we in the know all beg to differ. However, by having a rule that just because I consider my anal cavity off-limits to clients I don''t deserve the numbers I would otherwise get, TER is basically COERCING women into a practice they would not otherwise allow. I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule. Everyone I've spoken to attests to the fact that very few people in the hobby support this policy. Providers should be ranked based on quality of service, not arbitrary rules penalizing us for personal choices regarding health and psychological wellbeing.
There needs to be a CLEAR explanation above all reviews explaining this policy. I'm losing clients because the less experienced hobbyists think I'm a (mediocre) 8.
We ladies have so much other crap to put up with. Not being rated based on our ACTUAL performance and looks is simply exasperating.
First, I don't mean this as rude as it sounds, but where have you been? This was a big hub bub when the rule was changed last month.
Also, it does apply only to performance. Anybody can give you a ten, or whatever they wish for looks, no matter what's on your menu.
As far as performance, the rule has been there a long time. The recent change was that it used to be based on what was in your profile, as far as offering the five activities you mentioned. If it was in the profile, a reviewer could score for it, whether or not he or she partook. Now, it has to actually happen in the session.
I don't know about pimping, but I completely agree with you that I should be able to rate how I want to. I don't have interest in group sex or anal, so I can't give a ten. Even if I go in knowing she doesn't do bbbj, for example, but I feel she did an awesome job at what did happen and I got what I was expecting, I can only rate so high. The good news is maybe more people will actually read the damn review instead of just look at the numbers.
I'm sorry that it's so frustrating for you, and understand that it is. Good luck!
The overwhelming majority of your reviews have you as exactly that, an "8" in appearance
Another point, you technically are entitled to receive up to a 9, not an 8 as you offer both BBBJ and DFK. If you don't like taking it up the ass, is it REALLY worth doing so, just for one lousy point on your reviews? The guy that gave you an 8 could have given you a 9 if he had wanted to.
Lastly, I do agree that anal, really bi, and more than one guy are not things I look for when booking a provider. TER needs to do "something" about grade inflation, as tens are given out so freely as to make them meaningless, but tying performance scores to "menu items" most of us could care less about is not the way to do it IMHO.
Once the maximum score was established (7 to 10), reviewers would rate performance at that level. As I have said many times, I have had some FANTASTIC 7-out-of-7s. Based on Profile claims (I don't avail myself of everything claimed to be offered), I have also had some 7-out-of-10s (and worse 
.
The written reviews are most telling. As you noted, there are and will be many, "I would have given her a 10, if allowed." 7/7 = 100% performance; 7/10 = 70% performance may be more informative.
Points available or less than that, whether the reviewer just mentions that they are giving seven out of seven or eight out of 10 or whatever, or TER could put it somewhere on the review or the profile what the maximum amount of points available for that person are.
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I've posted a bunch of variations about how this could work (for real) without being too disorienting. Currently, people assume the numbers are "Appearance/Performance" with 10/10 as the best score.
It could become:
Appearance - Performance/Max e.g., 8-7/10 or 10-7/7
Appearance/Performance/Max e.g., 8/7/10 or 10/7/7
and other minor variations to avoid too much confusion.
A single Performance number is USELESS without knowing the max or without reading the entire review to try to figure it out for yourself.
I'm in total agreement with Ernestine. As a client I feel TER should permit how we viewed provider performance and NOT based on arbitrary activities. Way to go TER, you just shot yourself in the foot with this new ratings roll out. It's unreliable and it sucks! TER, are you listening to both providers and clients? Most everyone is unhappy!
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I believe that's a bit of an over statement as there have discussion of this for about a month now and quite a few of us like the effort to limit the rate inflation that has so many 10s.
While I disagree with tying the performance evaluation to a bundle of services that's what TER as been doing all along. As long as the rules are applied uniformly (and this approach will produce more uniformity in the rating across all reviewer than the prior approach did) it will ultimately not favor anyone provider over another.
There is that line in most reviews a lot of us look for -- "Will Repeat." When we read the review and see the actual services we know what the rating means.
I think TER's big mistake was the communication of the change. Maybe they learned, maybe they could care less as it's their site and pretty damn successful. On this line the suggestion I would make would be a news streamer on the main page about these types of changes and a link to a more detailed explanation available in advance with a effective date published.
... given your average performance score is 8.71 and you're eligible for up to a 9 in a MF date. Plus your profile says you're Really Bi, so one way to be eligible for a 10 is to have sessions with MF couples (I don't mean doubles with another provider; those would go under different profiles of course and they too would be eligible for a 10).
And BTW 8 isn't mediocre; it's a very good score.
Ironically her website lists every sexual arrangement EXCEPT solo female, so I'm not sure if she's really bi or not.
We all have realized by now that a provider offering a double with another provider is not a guarantee of being really bi, and is in fact one of the most abused ways of earning that extra rating point.
Another good reason the new system sucks. I want to know what the clients actual score is rather than having it based on arbitrary activities.
We all have realized by now that a provider offering a double with another provider is not a guarantee of being really bi, and is in fact one of the most abused ways of earning that extra rating point.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK X-out-of-Y SCORING IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
A 7/7 is a great performance delivering 100% on everything.
A 7/10 is a less than stellar performance: dull BBBJ, eyeing the clock (not the cock), amateurish anal, etc.
I HAVE HAD SOME FANTASTIC 7/7s and 8/8s as well as some disappointing 7/10s.
(Users wanting short cuts would have to realize that the current Appearance/Performance 7/7 would have to become something different, like Appearance - Performance 7 - 7/7 or Appearance/Performance/Max 7/7/7.)
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IMO, Ernestine is in the group hurt most by the new rating system. I don't know her personally and I agree 8.71 is a high score. Obviously she has worked hard to make that mark, good for her! Clearly, some of her clients believe her performance warrants a 10 even without anal. It's baffling to me why she should be penalized in anyway. She wasn't downgraded before the roll out, why now? And as a client I am more interested in what her actual client score is rather than TER's mark down. Do clients really give her a 10 or is it really a 9? There is no way of telling. It's not fair to her and it's an injustice to clients that rely on the ratings. Sure she can count on bi-activities to up it slightly but the fact remains her scores are skewed downward. It stinks and there are no redeeming features in this new rating method. I see no justification for the new system at all.
On this issue, I score the concerned providers a 10 and TER scores a 0. TER you're better than this -- get your act together and abandon this atrocious new rating method!! You've taken a significant step backwards.
And BTW 8 isn't mediocre; it's a very good score.
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...more than the scores you're complaining about. Most of us stay away from drama queens.
Most guys don't put a lot of stock in the scores when making a decision. They know that every guy's opinion on looks and performance varies a lot. Most will put more weight on the written details and are looking to see if a) the pics are accurate and b) is she just going through the motions or does she convince us that she's into us. Also, there are some guys that are looking for certain activities, so they want to know if your profile is accurate.
BTW, an 8 is not mediocre. It says you're really hot and make us believe in the fantasy.
I think most clients do put a lot of stock in the ratings. I do! Plus I like Ernestine's spunk and admire her for standing up for herself. To me this would help her business rather than hurt it. She's right on target. Makes me want to meet her, I'll bet she's awesome.
Most guys don't put a lot of stock in the scores when making a decision. They know that every guy's opinion on looks and performance varies a lot. Most will put more weight on the written details and are looking to see if a) the pics are accurate and b) is she just going through the motions or does she convince us that she's into us. Also, there are some guys that are looking for certain activities, so they want to know if your profile is accurate.
BTW, an 8 is not mediocre. It says you're really hot and make us believe in the fantasy.
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I prefer to READ THE REVIEWS. Ever heard the saying one man's 6 is another man's 9.
I doubt the post will effect Ernestine. This board is pretty quiet, just look at how few reads the OP has received.
Most guys don't put a lot of stock in the scores when making a decision. They know that every guy's opinion on looks and performance varies a lot. Most will put more weight on the written details and are looking to see if a) the pics are accurate and b) is she just going through the motions or does she convince us that she's into us. Also, there are some guys that are looking for certain activities, so they want to know if your profile is accurate.
BTW, an 8 is not mediocre. It says you're really hot and make us believe in the fantasy.
And I'm wondering if one of the issues here doesn't derive from that aspect entirely.
I suspect the only groups who rely on the numbers are the providers and the non-VIP hobbyist. Neither of them are paying to support TER so the they are really getting a subsidy from the VIP members and TER.
If you're not a paying member you are certainly entitle to your opinions and expressing them but why should they really count or be listened to?
Most guys don't put a lot of stock in the scores when making a decision. They know that every guy's opinion on looks and performance varies a lot. Most will put more weight on the written details and are looking to see if a) the pics are accurate and b) is she just going through the motions or does she convince us that she's into us. Also, there are some guys that are looking for certain activities, so they want to know if your profile is accurate.
BTW, an 8 is not mediocre. It says you're really hot and make us believe in the fantasy.
Im glad to hear that you value the actual content of the review as opposed to scores. At first I took them a little personal, because it is similar to a credit score which we somehow were duped into believing the higher the number the better. But as time went on, and I actually asked my clients what drew the to me I learned otherwise. Im proud of my seven's in performance. I cater to a niche of gentlemen that are looking for specific services that do not include activities which would earn me a higher score in performance Having said that, any score below an 8 in appearance will have me running to the mirror naked to check to see that all is still in the right places. Nothing that more squats at the gym can't fix though. Then I laugh at my folly because the scores are so silly. At the end of the day personally I feel chemistry is the most important factor. so Im glad they added that though I have not seen where the chemistry factor shows up. I appreciate my reviews, though most of my regular repeat clients dont even write them. This is where the buck stops, did he come back to me? Yes.... Thats all the validation I need.
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Erica
It has been a few months since I posted a review, and do not generally look at this board, so I was taken aback when a review was rejected of a provider to whom I gave a Ten and who I knew possessed the required attributes, but I did not engage in all the options during my session. As my earlier scores reflect a different scoring system, there is now absolutely no continuity, My reviews tend to have high scores because I do very thorough research, and am rarely disappointed with the ladies I see. If I have had an "off the charts" experience, others should be aware of it. It is unfair to the providers, and it is unfair to those who rely on reviews, to have the scoring changed and so cannot reflect the criteria of earlier reviews.
Yep, I agree. My approach in selecting providers is exactly the same. And I had the exact same experience in having a review rejected by TER support. TER's new system is beyond ridiculous!
I get the whole, wish I had 10s thing... but you are demanding that you must be. Your reviews say otherwise.
I went through your reviews and based on the rules, any of them could have given you a 9 or 10 (depends on the review) but decided not to. Can't blame TER for that.
What you think of yourself is not the same as others and to outright say a 8 is bad... idk what to say to you. I wouldn't fork over a 10 for you. Ranting and demanding are not cool. Bothering your reviewers because you don't like their score they wanted to give is bad.
"An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she performs one or some of the following DURING A SESSION: Kiss with tongue (DFK or LFK), Bare-Back Blow Job (BBBJ), Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum."
I just read my most recent review. The client actually wrote that he would have given me a higher score if he was "allowed."
I would understand slightly better if only PERFORMANCE were tied to this stipulation. But I am NOT an 8, physically, so that's one huge problem.
Another huge problem is that, according to many ignorant people, The Erotic Review is probably basically viewed as a pimping website. Of course, we in the know all beg to differ. However, by having a rule that just because I consider my anal cavity off-limits to clients I don''t deserve the numbers I would otherwise get, TER is basically COERCING women into a practice they would not otherwise allow. I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule. Everyone I've spoken to attests to the fact that very few people in the hobby support this policy. Providers should be ranked based on quality of service, not arbitrary rules penalizing us for personal choices regarding health and psychological wellbeing.
There needs to be a CLEAR explanation above all reviews explaining this policy. I'm losing clients because the less experienced hobbyists think I'm a (mediocre) 8.
We ladies have so much other crap to put up with. Not being rated based on our ACTUAL performance and looks is simply exasperating.
As for performance, you have also been getting 8s there for 2 years before the little change took place, so why would you think you deserve 10s now?
The system is not ideal, but I think it is a step in the right direction toward cutting down on review manipulation. An 8 is supposed to mean "hot time," not mediocre, and at one time an 8 on TRR was an excellent score.
Somewhere out there is a provider who doesn't do anal or orgies but wants those 10s so badly that she is going to ask her clients to say she did anal just to get the 10.
And somewhere out there is a client who really wants anal one night, drinks a few too many and has poor impulse control.
Those two people are going to meet one night, and one will end up in the hospital and the other in jail.
Two lives ruined. Might not be the sweetest apples in the bushel, but still...
I do sympathize with the people who have been here for years. Maybe the scoring was getting devalued for them by having too many 10s.
But instead of this change, maybe look at where those 10s are coming from. I'll bet they tend to disproportionately come from new reviewers. As someone who's only been here a few months, I can easily recall that when I was new to the escort world, everything seemed magically good. The women are all really good looking, they're always wet and willing, and they seem to care. Of course they're all high scores! Now I look back and realize that they were good but I've found better (and worse), but those early scores are unchangeable.
If newbies are the source of a lot of grade inflation, then here's a solution: show their scores but don't count them in the averages. Or weight a first review less than a 100th.
TER took the PSE way out instead of looking at the reasons for the perceived problem.
i think it is about time we had a policy with some teeth in it..
I am not VIP and can't see the scores. My decision to see girls from TER was based on the summary in the general section. Not sure if I am the minority among guys, but if it makes you feel better: some people can't see your scores
"An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she performs one or some of the following DURING A SESSION: Kiss with tongue (DFK or LFK), Bare-Back Blow Job (BBBJ), Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum."
I just read my most recent review. The client actually wrote that he would have given me a higher score if he was "allowed."
I would understand slightly better if only PERFORMANCE were tied to this stipulation. But I am NOT an 8, physically, so that's one huge problem.
Another huge problem is that, according to many ignorant people, The Erotic Review is probably basically viewed as a pimping website. Of course, we in the know all beg to differ. However, by having a rule that just because I consider my anal cavity off-limits to clients I don''t deserve the numbers I would otherwise get, TER is basically COERCING women into a practice they would not otherwise allow. I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule. Everyone I've spoken to attests to the fact that very few people in the hobby support this policy. Providers should be ranked based on quality of service, not arbitrary rules penalizing us for personal choices regarding health and psychological wellbeing.
There needs to be a CLEAR explanation above all reviews explaining this policy. I'm losing clients because the less experienced hobbyists think I'm a (mediocre) 8.
We ladies have so much other crap to put up with. Not being rated based on our ACTUAL performance and looks is simply exasperating.
Because I'm not going to do Greek just to be eligible for a 10.
Now I can only get 9s unless it's a doubles session which won't be very often.
Most providers will not be doing Greek just to get a score of 10. I feel it is extremely unfair to ask it of them considering how few guys even want a finger in their asses. So a lot of people will have a high score of nine and most people are going to be able to figure this out, but not all. Look how many guys were surprised to find out only certain scores could be given with the old system. And now it's even more limiting. There will be guys to see the nines who will think that I didn't get the maximum number of points.
Which is why I am very much in favor of Imposter's suggestion above. If somewhere it says what the maximum number of points available is and everyone knows then it's not so bad. I would not mind getting nines if everyone knew that I got the maximum number of points available.
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Instead of coercing you to do something you don't want to do in order to get a higher number, you might find that clients will pay much more attention to those reviews that show an 7 or 8 than they do now.
IMO, the reason there are so many 10's out there is because lots of clients feel that giving a 7 or 8 is an insult. So when they scan the review list, they get suspicious if everything isn't 10/10 or 9/9 (or 10/9 or 9/10). It sort of negates the whole purpose of a numerical rating. I mean, a rating of system of 1-3 would work as well as the old system. 1 = unsatisfactory service, 2 = satisfactory, and 3 = excellent. If 10 = Excellent, 9 = Satisfactory, and 8 and anything lower = Unsatisfactory, it negates the whole value of the 1-10 system.
The change might come to be seen as an improvement when everyone gets used to it.
I really believe this...this odditiy of needing 10/10 all the time to feel you provide a qulaity experience is over.
Don't think it's enough to make me change my no greek rule. I had someone yesterday who had to score me an 8 even though they wanted to score me a 9 bc I didn't offer DFK OR GREEK in that session. Well I won't be doing things I don't like just to get s higher rating. In the long run your clients will see you are doing things out of your comfort levels....and who really enjoys that? It may even mean less clients for me, but I prefer quality or volume anyway.
Shove the new rule up their butt not yours.
However, by having a rule that just because I consider my anal cavity off-limits to clients I don''t deserve the numbers I would otherwise get, TER is basically COERCING women into a practice they would not otherwise allow. I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule.
Excellent post Maddy. You're solidly in the higher end providers that are hurt most by the new rating system. BTW, you have a great web page.
Shove the new rule up their butt not yours.
However, by having a rule that just because I consider my anal cavity off-limits to clients I don''t deserve the numbers I would otherwise get, TER is basically COERCING women into a practice they would not otherwise allow. I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule.
Thank you I appreciate that!
...the service is stated as "kiss - yes, with tongue". It doesn't say anything about DFK. LFK counts as well. If you don't kiss at all or you kiss with lips only then you don't get the point.
I don't kiss so I won't be getting any future points for that. I may peck on the lips now but that is it. I have to change that on my site but so far hadn't been an issue.
I really couldn't care less if a woman doesn't take it up the ass, do gang bangs, or enjoys munching carpet, but BBBJ and Kissing is huge to most mongers.
I honestly can't imagine a girl getting more than a 7 without kissing, I am not suggesting you do things you aren't comfortable doing, just to increase your scores by a point, but I will say that any provider that doesn't kiss won't be getting my business at all. As for your scores, many of us pay little attention to whether you are getting 8's or 9's on performance, and most of us don't care if you offer anal, but not kissing is a complete deal breaker for me. I'd rather have a session without any kind of blow job whatsoever than be deprived of kissing the beautiful woman that I am inside of. Nothing say "I am ONLY fucking you for money" to me than a woman who won't kiss me. I honestly can't imagine a bigger turn off.
And that is your opinion. I am very ok with having a small number of clients. I'm not here for the money in the typical f way, if I was ny rates would be higher. I am here bc p4p no matter the amount is my kink. This hobby is my kink. And I work a day job. I don't particularly think kissing is a deal breaker and hasn't been so far. What was a dealbreaker was me faking something on an appointment. That isn't fair to the gentlemen spending his time and money with me. I offer PSE now because I found my groove for me. I am not a girlfriend experience and I don't wanna cuddle you. I want the client who has some dark and dirty fantasies he can't share and kissing goes beyond that. Anyone in or seeking fetish knows that. I am an alt provider and very ok with providing a non typical affair.
What isn't sexy to me is kissing someone I don't know and pretending to like it and after more than several occasions of awful kissers, I decided no more. I like pleasure not faking anything. My clients know I am not in it for the money ask every single one when I even grabbed the money and the few that I actually left my cash in the room and had to return. So no just bc I don't kiss doesn't mean I can't provide a wonderful service that doesn't entail stealing your cash and running. If I get fewer clients because of it I can only assume the ones I do see have an even better more authentic time. If you must know kissing and anal are 2 things I save for my own personal pleasure. Not yours
I honestly can't imagine a girl getting more than a 7 without kissing, I am not suggesting you do things you aren't comfortable doing, just to increase your scores by a point, but I will say that any provider that doesn't kiss won't be getting my business at all. As for your scores, many of us pay little attention to whether you are getting 8's or 9's on performance, and most of us don't care if you offer anal, but not kissing is a complete deal breaker for me. I'd rather have a session without any kind of blow job whatsoever than be deprived of kissing the beautiful woman that I am inside of. Nothing say "I am ONLY fucking you for money" to me than a woman who won't kiss me. I honestly can't imagine a bigger turn off.
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I'm not the OP. I'm not concerned and won't be using TER and review system much longer anyway. Honestly,sick of all the jacked up bitter angry men in here.
But this was your statement in your post above:
"I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule."
Why would you say that? Why would you even think of doing something you are not comfortable doing, to increase your potential scores, if you don't actually care about the scores?
Anyway sorry to hear you are so jaded about TER after being here only 3 months.
Wrong. Read again. That was the OP AS WELL. That is copied from her OP.
Anywho back to the topic , not my sevices.
"I, for example, am now strongly considering offering anal because of this rule."
Why would you say that? Why would you even think of doing something you are not comfortable doing, to increase your potential scores, if you don't actually care about the scores?
Anyway sorry to hear you are so jaded about TER after being here only 3 months.
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Yup. One can pick and choose. I'm not a mold of everyone else. Thanks.