I'm inclined to agree with you (although I do have some mixed feelings, especially if her rates are at the high end). Just curious what other's thoughts are...
If a provider requests advance notice for Greek and charges extra for this service, should her client expect to pay this extra amount if, for some reason, he is unable to complete the act (due to his own physical limitations or other performance issues that might become apparent during the session?)
Since many providers request the donation envelope to be displayed early on, is there a proper way to handle the logistics of the surcharge at the end of the session?
I can't offer much in the way of an answer. Hopefully, some providers that offer Greek will chime in with some input.
LLAP,
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After all, she went through the extra preparation required for the act based on your request. Include the surcharge in the envelope at the beginning. If *she* declines the act, then you can expect a refund. But if you're the reason it doesn't happen despite her best effort, then you can't expect to get your money back (although she may take pity on you).
Besides, in the grand scheme of things, the surcharge is not going to bankrupt you (if it will, then you shouldn't be hobbying), so don't be cheap - stop thinking about "getting your money's worth" and enjoy the encounter for what it is.
I'm inclined to agree with you (although I do have some mixed feelings, especially if her rates are at the high end). Just curious what other's thoughts are...
the decency and common sense of the person "doing it".
Would you ask for a return of your donation if you had performance issues regardless of the circumstance?
There is a reason she requests advance notice. She has to take steps to allow for this activity. I just think it's in poor taste to even suggest or hint at wanting a "refund".
it would be in poor taste to ask for a refund if the surcharge was already included up front.
There is a reason she requests advance notice. She has to take steps to allow for this activity. I just think it's in poor taste to even suggest or hint at wanting a "refund".
I'm a fan of cruising the Greek Isles and I'm also a cheap SOB so I just see providers who don't charge. I have no idea where you're located, so this could be an issue. However, if you're in a major metro area there's always top rated providers around who don't charge. Do a search include anal in your parameters. If they Charge it will be on their web site
Normally I do, but there are several ladies I really want to see who charge extra.
hen just make sure you get to it and pay up. I can't think of many uncontrollable situations where it ends up not happening and it's the guys fault. Only thing I can think of is you not being able to get it up/keep it hard due to performance anxiety/going for second pop etc.
The former shouldn't be the case if you have tried and know you like Greek. And if it's the latter, just get some Greek on first pop.
The only time I think it'd be okay to get a refund is if the provider ends up refusing, due to your size/girth or because she isn't feeling it or w/e.
If you go to visit a provider and end up not being able to get hard, would you ask for a refund then?
Sorry, but I don't agree totally with your thinking about getting a refund. Obviously the lady is preparing herself for this. If he is aware from prior experience that size could be an issue and he's willing to take that risk. She certain has the right to stop it if it's painful. Same with any other activity.
Now if she's not feeling it, then that decision to return part of his donation is at her discretion.
The only time I think it'd be okay to get a refund is if the provider ends up refusing, due to your size/girth or because she isn't feeling it or w/e.
If it's a size/girth issue/provider not being ready for Greek/doesn't feel like Greek that day, it should be something that's readily obvious when she first sees the package or he first tries to stick it in. At that point, if she stops him, then I feel a refund is totally justified. It's not like he was pounding away for 3-4 min and then she said no no no it doesn't fit stop. Otherwise, it'd be a surcharge for "attempt at Greek", and any provider could slap an extra C-note charge to their rates and then go "nope not feeling it" and keep it.
Now if she's not feeling it, then that decision to return part of his donation is at her discretion.
The only time I think it'd be okay to get a refund is if the provider ends up refusing, due to your size/girth or because she isn't feeling it or w/e.
is to agree to it up front, when you book.
IMHO, trying to modify an agreement after the fact when she was prepared to deliver what was expected is at best the height of bad manners. Probably, I'd see it as much worse... the male equivalent of the B&S or upsell.
Would you ask a gal to charge you less if you declined to let her give you a BJ
Of course not but I don't see how the two situations can be compared. I see the surcharge for Greek as different because it's an add-on. Does the advance preparation in and of itself warrant the surcharge? Not sure but I tend to think the surcharge should be paid regardless in the interest of good manners....this we agree on.
for whatever reason it's on her, if you're the reason it doesn't happen it's on you. If she gives you back the money and you accept it when was your fault you failed to complete the deed, thank her and leave her a nice tip.
As others have stated you would not be doing yourself any favors asking for a refund. The provider has prepared for the trip to the Greek Islands. It would be tacky and unfair to ask for a refund. Plus you are risking other consequences to your reputation.
If you are concerned about being able to follow through keep that in mind when booking. Get the little blue pill weigh the cost vs. likely hood of being able to perform. Some of the providers have significant surcharges for Greek ($150 - $350) so maybe you do not want to book a trip to Greece with one of these ladies.
I can't imagine discussing prior to a first meeting. You showed up expecting it without advance notice, I'd expect refusal. If she's sized you up, you could get an agreement for a future date. If it was prebooked, I'd include the amount in the donation on arrival. If I were to tip, I'd leave it in plain view on her dresser or press it into her hand as we goodbye kiss.
I concur that if you agree that it's on the table ahead of time, then if you can't make it happen, the fee should still be expected. However, if it's YMMV and she tells you she has to make the determination on the day and she can't for one reason or another, then the upcharge better be refunded.
One way I have successfully handled this on three different occasions is when I see there's an upcharge for this, I notify the lady something along these lines. 'I see you offer cruises to different islands. I'd like to be considered for this side adventure.' They both said, it will depend on your size, etc. to which I replied, 'Fine, I'll place that gift in a separately marked envelope'. When it didn't happen (unfortunately, in this case, size did matter). They did not take the other envelope or handed it back to me. No hard feelings.
Now that being said, those were the only times I agreed to the upcharge. In principle, I don't do usually agree to that and if a girl offers Greek on her site, profile, etc, I want it included in the regular donation. Then if it happens or not, there's no money to worry about.
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Whether you get off or not is NOT on her, but on you. If you have decided to perform Greek and she allows it, you should add that to the envelop at the start of the session.
And you should include any additional donations requested for additional services, as her website should say. This should be in the envelope...
... Greek will bankrupt you!
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