It's better to give out your personal info one time to p411, than to give it to many providers (some who may turn out to be BSC). Also P411 claims to destroy your info once they verify you, and their servers are in Canada, not the USA. (so it is much harder for US based LE to get to the info.)
Might be a stupid question, but it's one I can't seem to find the answer to.
From everything that I'm seeing, getting P411-verified (or some credible equivalent) is the way to go for someone new to the hobby.
But my understanding is that they screen based on employment status...
Just curious what people that are in-between jobs or self-employed or still in PhD/grad school do!
Does anyone have experience in this area? Or am I just out of luck? (PM is open if people would rather not post)
Also, I'm curious if the primary purpose of employment verification is to ensure that the client has the ability to pay, or that they can be reliably traced to a location.
That might help me figure out how to get verified if I understand the logic.
Thanks all
They will try to work with you to get you verified. They have verified students, retirees, self employed people etc.
By the way, the point of employment verification has nothing to do with verifying you have the ability to pay. Basically they are just trying to prove you are really who you say you are. If there are other ways than employment to do that, they will work with you.
From everything that I'm seeing, getting P411-verified (or some credible equivalent) is the way to go for someone new to the hobby.
But my understanding is that they screen based on employment status...
Just curious what people that are in-between jobs or self-employed or still in PhD/grad school do!
Does anyone have experience in this area? Or am I just out of luck? (PM is open if people would rather not post)
Also, I'm curious if the primary purpose of employment verification is to ensure that the client has the ability to pay, or that they can be reliably traced to a location.
That might help me figure out how to get verified if I understand the logic.
Thanks all
Thank you kindly for the help sir.
I don't know why but I was under the impression that the process was something like 1) submit an application fee 2) wait to find out if you pass the rigors of their screening test 3) deal with it.
I guess I could call to make sure I'm not throwing money down the drain.
If when you see a P411 link in a review open it and many if you not all will have a link to a six month trial membership.
Click on a drill out information from there and you ca get stated without the upfront fee.
I old not find it on the actual website/
A big one is a guard against LEO, which any provider (and any hobbyist) is always on the lookout for. It also helps establish character (if he can hold down a job, he can't be too crazy/a murdering psycho), and the general gist is that anyone willing to give out enough personal info for a background check is not going to end up being a flake/troll etc.
Maybe a very newbie question. I understand needing to guard against LEO on both sides. However is anyone concerned about a single repository having your information to verify you? Or if you send the info to a provider directly. We are talking about a single place with information that inferences can be made from.
I am not a public figure and am not worried about being paraded on the national news. However if there were an issue it could certainly create a lot of headaches and potential problems.
It's better to give out your personal info one time to p411, than to give it to many providers (some who may turn out to be BSC). Also P411 claims to destroy your info once they verify you, and their servers are in Canada, not the USA. (so it is much harder for US based LE to get to the info.)
Although I am not sure that the servers being located in Canada makes much of a difference.
Prostitution has been decriminalized in Canada. So there's that.
Also, BSC=Bat Shit Crazy.
It's not illegal to be a prostitute, but it is illegal to buy sex in Canada. Worse it is illegal to profit off of prostitutes, so platforms that knowingly advertise sex or facilitate sex are illegal. That's why P411 had to change their search parameters. I would guess there is a good chance that one day the Canadian websites will fall to Canadian authorities. BUT, US crossing the border to force a Canadian business to reveal client information is probably more difficult, at least it's a pain in the ass, so hopefully they won't do it.
I just have to give my two cents. I have not engaged in the hobby, but have been lurking for years and one of these days the camel's back may break with my wife and I may jump in. If that day comes, I would not use P411 or any other verification service.
I think that there's a lot of reliance on this site on the fact that P411 is located in Canada. But as demonstrated by the FIFA indictments, the DOJ has an extensive ability to indict foreign nationals and assert jurisdiction based on minimal use of the US banking system. (Just think about the cc's and money orders by which P411 accepts payment.) And yes, once there's an indictment they can request extradition. And once they have you in their claws, guess how quickly they will roll P411's staff just like they do with every other criminal conspiracy and those servers and records get turned over.
I think P411 has a big target on its back, and the DOJ could easily take them down if they wanted to (I would venture that they just haven't gotten to it yet). They are the single biggest facilitator of P4P in the US, and while I would expect that DOJ would be focused mainly on just shutting the website down, as opposed to going after individual users, I would be hesitant about becoming a user (with perhaps a stored history of who I have had dates with!) of a website I thought was a likely target of investigation.
BTW, all of this is based on observed professional experience. (BTW, I love every one's contribution on this site. Do not take this dissent view as being critical of y'all.)