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In all fairness 40 I did not attack you however I tried to engage you in constructive conversation
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and you did not have the courtesy to reply or acknowledge my post. So please don't cry wolf with me.

be well............

I will take my lumps, but if guidelines are not necessary, let's remove them.

(I take it back, we all love to acknowledge and help others, and quickly admit our mistakes. Humility is our by-word.)

I was too sleep deprived this afternoon to have answered it without flaming.  And since you phrased it as a wall of flames for challengers to walk into, I was waiting to see if the moderator would take it down as you suggest they should.  Who in their right mind would directly challenge a question phrased that way, which implies they are  a smug know-it-all?  Nevermind, I'm doing it here anyway.      

I thought you surely couldn't be referring to discussions 10 days ago?  I thought I missed something while my computer was in triage.  I did a search which reveals that you haven't posted since.  Have you been seething about that exchange for 10 days, then?  Only to come out with these bitter posts?    

I have said you don't handle criticism well.  It seems I understated it. This is far out of proportion to anything that happened on this board.

I'll suggest an answer to your question: Perhaps the staff and moderators' definition of flaming and yours do not match?  Perhaps yours, at least as it pertains to incoming criticism, doesn't match any normal definition of flaming?  

In any discussion of ideas, there is conflict.  Part of the reason why the internet is such an advance in human relations is that many of the topics discussed anonymously here would inevitably lead to punches if we did it face to face.  Especially with friends or close relatives.    

I digressed a little.  For outgoing criticism, you seem to have a different standard entirely.  I've read some very mean things from you here.  The thread that prompted your complaint was about you calling a woman a skank, for no good reason.  

One of my first memories of your writing here was that you started a thread that was an attack on Resident Civvy.  And you wrote about her as though she wasn't reading it, didn't address her, and just treated her like she wasn't there.  Since then, I learned you are the sort of guy who finds it funny to say something mortifying to a woman who is about to have sex with you, and that you then left her locked out on the balcony naked (reference cited).  You boasted here about regaining her trust in less than an hour.  Maybe you consider "boast" one of those flames, but I wouldn't be telling the truth if I didn't say that's how I see it.  

That was an interesting story, I agree, but largely not for the reason you think it is.  You seem to think that's an acceptable and normal level of meanness.  You couldn't be more wrong.  

It would never occur to me to bring my onry moments up out of the blue and cite them like they were my most cherished memories.

That is not to say you don't sometimes write some intelligent things; it has been suprising to me that you do, but it's equally surprising how quickly you could then say something both mean and wrong.      


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I say something addressing smugness and the smug raise their hands. Still nothing on reviews belonging on the review board (despite popular "reports from the field"), nor the (empty?) promise of provider availabilities being deleted. It's all about a non-flame being branded a flame, and therefore irrelevant. Stay in school.

Now Zivanal: I have rarely addressed you at all, mainly because you months ago blocked my PMs. The sign of insecurity and fear. Responding in kind to each of your harassments was evidently unacceptable.

I care about criticism as much as it's source. Since these are anonymous posts, I don't know who's criticizing me. Therefore, I don't take criticism at all around here. I do know who Staff is, so I welcome comments from him.  

In the past, to take the power out of threats, I have attempted to share my real name on the boards and been moderated. As a public figure, I have had my life threatened. Threats around here don't mean a whole lot.

So Ziv, I don't boast. I have nothing to boast about, and nothing to hide from. What I have observed about you is that the comings and going of this board seem to be what make the moon rise and set for you. It's a small world, and it's all yours. You are petulant. You don't engage a topic except as an excuse to proffer a pre-existing idea. You don't use language properly. You are defensive. The crux of your criticism, if you must call it that, is that you are always right. Why on earth take that kind of criticism?

Say what you want about how I treat women. I am friends with all exes. But someone who lives for the last word will always be paying for sex. No one who is always right has friends.

You haven't heard from me because I've been out having fun. Fun for you would be thinking I have stayed away because I got "criticism!" You provided a reference; my reference to you would be William Shatner's immortal SNL quote about Star Trek fans.

What I want you to do now is make a rambling, poorly-constructed response, inversely proportionate in length to the importance of the discussion.

Ready, go!

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First, I'll show the reason why I blocked your PM's.  This is what you PM'd to me before I blocked you:

I had said: "About your claim that civvie dating is cheaper: does that count the risks? ..[examples of risks given]."

Your answer:

"holy shit!
now i'll never date again!
thanks a whole lot!"

This followed within minutes of a post in which you said:

"If you are mistreated, you should take it up with the person who mistreated you.

"At this point, it is your bitterness poisoning the well.

"And if you were my brother you would have gotten a little more!"

What you have here is a laundry list of insults.  (The curious can refer to the link.) Maybe you were leading up to something intelligent, but I think you were just taking random shots.  I wish you had elaborated on the second point in your post, which was at least promising, but the trend was neither that nor interesting.

No, I wasn't shrinking away from your commanding intelligence. It was more like disappointment and annoyance, because after my criticism, your tone went from intellectual lecturer to schoolyard gangbanger in three seconds flat.  

Now, my criticism was harsh, but it was honest, and with your identity hidden under your handle, I thought you'd keep your composure and say something interesting.  Instead, it seemed to knock you off your hinges.  You looked to be frantically grasping for ammunition, and firing without aiming, looking for anything in my posts you could hurt me with.  

Criticism I can take.  I might mind if you insult me, but I'll only read them if they're interesting and relevant.  Yours were neither.  It was a lot like being called a fag in high school after spending the evening before jacking off to Playboy.  

The difference is I couldn't block their PM's.  :)



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Our feelings on each other's writing seem to be mutual, strangely enough.  I am willing to say we have different very different thought processes, because I also have the worst problems understanding your posts sometimes.

Let's take the first paragraph of this post.  The first rule of writing is be clear, not obscure.  How am I supposed to know from your previous posts that you were referring to "Reports from the Field?" I had no reason to see that as an example of what you meant.  I've never seen them as reviews.  However, I have heard that at least one of them was removed for being promotional for a provider.  

Moreover, you end that paragraph with: "It's all about a non-flame being branded a flame, and therefore irrelevant.  Stay in school."  

What??  

Now, turning to my self-criticism about my writing.  I don't edit my own writing well.  Sometimes I leave words in the text from an incomplete edit, and this could destroy whole sentences and even whole posts.  I've become careless about coma splices and some punctiation.  I'll have to clean that all up because I'm turning pro.

BTW, as I am now in school again, my professors have a better regard for my writing, with all its flaws.  My essays, which I work on for all of 25 minutes, are earning A's.



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I'll presume that you must be honest about the claim, because it fits just too well.  This is unexpected.

Now I know why your sexual experiences are so much different than mine, and how you could talk a woman into trusting you again 45 minutes after humiliating  her.  It all makes sense.  

It also explains the eccentric egotism you've shown, mixed in with some intelligence.  It might even go a long way in explaining why your thought processes and mine are so different.  

It really does explain the basis for much of what you've written, and use of some trendy psychological terms, and how you use them to judge the hobby.  

And I'm wondering whether I owe you an apology now, 40-watt, for my initial insult to you, because really, it changes the picture I had of you and inferences I made.  But right now, I just know the picture is changed, I just don't know how much and whether "poisoning the well" would still apply, because we really are in different niches.  Or whether I could feel that so personally.  I'll sleep on it.


40-Watt, I can find for you posts where I said I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong, and I apologized.  But I don't believe you'll feel any differently about me if I cite these, because I don't think "always being right" accurately describes your criticism of me.  

I think you're talking about the tone I take, and the fact that I frequently don't take anyting unquestioned coming from political, religious, or social authority.  I will frequently even question scientific authorities-- and no, I don't have credentials.  

However, no matter how mistaken I may be, I believe this questioning is what individual and intellectual responsibility entails.  This doesn't imply that I'm always right since no animal can be.  I try to correct mistakes, but I will always make them, and someday I will probably make a catastrophic mistake that will kill me.  (Just as long as my last words aren't: "Watch this!" or "Go ahead and shoot you chicken son of a bitch!") But I run the same risk in trusting questionable authorities, except they don't have as much at stake when their errors harm somebody else.

As for the tone I take: it owes a lot to reading Nietszche, "Will to Power" and his other writings.  Frequently, he says some very absurd, shocking things, but even when he's wrong, by end of proving him wrong, you really know you've thought about it.  Therefore, you're more ready to think the next time.        

Finally, you make the contention that I don't really answer threads but just use them as an excuse to proffer some pre-existing ideas.  My thoughts on subjects are frequently quite different from other people's.  What do you want me to do?  Shut up?  Censor them?  In a discussion group, we should be doing just the opposite.  Why make the exception for me?

junior4571868 reads

and you did not have the courtesy to reply or acknowledge my post. So please don't cry wolf with me.

be well............

YourKarmaSuitsYa2517 reads

You seem to take umbrage to contrasting points of view deeming them as malicious personal attacks, then you vilify providers who merely ask for more attention to personal hygiene by calling them "skanks". It appears to me as well as others that you are only happy when supported by a Praetorian Guard of sycophants.

  YKSY.  


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