It invalidates everything else you say and personally I find it very offensive and just plain incorrect.
The definition of prostitution is exchanging lewd or sexual acts for money. Escorting is legal, but not without a license. That's why the term providers is acceptable. What you think of as a badge of honor sure looks like ignorance to those of us who are trying to figure out what the laws are and how this all works.The answer is the same, research your companion and only see well reviewed providers..........
Well....she claims to be new, is only 22, and has no reviews yet. I see other posts that say "After LE check.....we got down to business."
LE checks do not work. It doesn't matter if you ask if she is LE, kiss or grab each other's crotch, if you find yourself in the room with LE you will be arrested.
Again the way you avoid LE is researching and only see well reviewed providers. TOFTT is a good way for you to find yourself with trouble you would probably rather avoid. She could be a bait and switch, a rip-off who will take your cash and dash or she could have a friend who works you over so good while mugging you that you wish it had been LE.
You can't ask them if they are a cop. They don't have to tell you. You can't ask them to undress to prove they aren't a cop, because they can. They can even send in someone pay, fuck, and leave, then knock on the door and say, "you just fucked my partner for money". Technically they can do this themselves, but it is "frowned upon", so they send in someone not LE to set you up.
This info is per my criminal attorney in San Diego.
References and reviews are a must.
She claims to be new, is 22 and has no reviews..............................there really is no way to know if she's LE. Stick with reviewed providers... use p411, etc.
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well-reviewed providers--PERIOD. Otherwise, you run the risk of a bad experience up to and including a pair of silver bracelets.
...see only well reviewed providers.
Begin your search here on your TER regional ad board.
The LE check is based on a false premise. It's based on the idea that LE can't lie to you or do certain things like grab your crotch or you grab her's. LE is given a lot of leeway. I wish TER wouldn't allow the LE check comment in reviews because it makes it sound legitimate.
you, as a newbie, should start with well-reviewed, established providers, preferably ones that are newbie friendly. The myth of the LE check is just that, a myth. If you are in the room with LE, you are screwed, and not in a nice way. Best way, is not to do an outcall, esp to your home.
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Swim
While I will agree that the OP and all newbs should stick to well reviewed providers, and that the "LE check" is just a myth.
That said, outcalls are LESS risky to the guy where it comes to LE risk, not more risky, although I will concede no married guy or guy with an SO should be hosting incalls at his home.
Come on Swim, as the host of this board, you have been dropping the ball a LOT lately, you should know these things like the back of your hand after all the years you've been here. Not to mention that you should be VERY careful when posting here, as your advice carries more weight than anyone else's as long as your name is in red.
For the record, and for all the newbs that don't already know this, outcalls are LESS likely to be LE stings as LE rarely likes to allow their female officers to enter an environment that they don't control. This is not to say that outcalls are risk free, just that they are less risky, not more risky than are incall dates. The idea is to never be in the room with LE, and outcalls do lessen that risk.
Maybe so but there are a lot of risks for outcalls. I would never take a stranger into my home (if I was single) on the first date.
I actually showed a date my home, though no action went down... Though I found out much later that she went into my desk while I was in the bathroom
and it's an indisputable fact that your LE risk is lower with an out call, not to mention, nowhere in the OP did the OP mention her coming to his actual home. That would be an entirely different subject, and one where I would agree with your last post completely.
FWIW, I have had many hookers to my home, but I remained very vigilant with any that I did not already know rather well, and am still rather vigilant even then. The only room of my home that I would allow any person, hooker or not, to occupy unescorted, would be the bathroom. To do otherwise would simply be tempting the fates a bit too much IMO.
Hooking is illegal. Escorting is not. Technically.
However, escorting without a license is also illegal. I suppose that's why the term "providers" has evolved. When you call providers "hookers", you are being politically incorrect and you have been doing it all over the boards. I wish you'd stop.
You are very knowledgeable. You just appropriately confronted someone about giving incorrect info to a newbie. You do that every time you refer to providers as hookers and it's been bugging me a lot to read that here
Why such angst over political correctness on a fuck board of all places?
Any and everybody who knows me knows full well that I am the furthest thing from being politically correct and I wear that as a badge of honor. This is the newbie board, so I will be nice, but I absolutely abhor political correctness and feel it is one of the things killing this country, but that's a debate better suited for the P&R board.
Many of my very best friends in the entire world are hookers, you may take it as a term of derision, I often use it as a term of endearment. I am truly sorry it bothers you, but I have ZERO intentions of changing the English language just to suit you and the other politically correct people out there acting as the "thought police".
It invalidates everything else you say and personally I find it very offensive and just plain incorrect.
The definition of prostitution is exchanging lewd or sexual acts for money.
Escorting is legal, but not without a license.
That's why the term providers is acceptable.
What you think of as a badge of honor sure looks like ignorance to those of us who are trying to figure out what the laws are and how this all works.
I would suggest you do more listening, get off your high moral horse, and pay attention to those of us who don't have to "figure" any of this out as we have been doing this for decades.
There are a whole host of hookers and johns alike on this board who have been doing this for many years and who are quite frankly "experts" on the subject. So please put your PC shotgun down,forget about getting your feelings hurt and listen to those of us with the most experience.
I think she means that if you had to talk to the law or they were monitoring you for whatever reason. Out of the 3 options, provider would be the best term to use/have used. Not that she is offended that you call her a hooker. I don't know her though, so could be wrong...
Code words, Acronyms, and PC speak, not to mention cute little disclaimers like "this is not an offer of prostitution" will not keep you or her out of jail. THAT is one of the biggest and most harmful myths that can be spread on these boards, and one that I try to disabuse all the newbies of from day one.
Once you are in the room with LE, there is no talking your way out of jail, calling yourself a "provider" is of ZERO use, no more use than doing an "LE check" The way to stay out of jail is to never end up in the same room with LE in the first place. For the guys, that means seeing only well reviewed providers/hookers, for the ladies, it means screen, screen, screen.
and yes, for the record she is indeed offended that I called her and all the rest of the ladies here a "hooker" I am not the least bit ashamed of being called a trick or a john, as a man who is a patron of hookers that is exactly what I am. As a woman who provides sex for money she should not be ashamed off being a hooker. It's what she is, and if she is ashamed of it, that's not my problem and maybe she should find another line of work.
He could have worded it better but I think what he's saying is to NOT do an outcall especially to your home. Maybe I'm wrong here.
and except for saying not to do one at your home, that advice is completely wrong from an LE standpoint.
Let's try this again, advising to not host an outcall at your home is GOOD advice. Advising not to host an outcall at all is HORRIBLE advice, ESPECIALLY to a newbie who's major concern is getting busted. All veterans know that the risk from LE is MUCH less on an outcall than an incall, and we all know that 99% of the stings run by LE are at incall locations where they can control the room. Swim should not have to be reminded of that, and neither should you.
Reread the OP, then reread Swims response, I think you'll get what I am saying then.
"home" portion. I guess even a moron like me knows that one, lol.
One was in Salt Lake City. LE came to her hotel room. She was arrested for escorting without a license and for giving a massage without a license.
She was taken to jail.
Another friend of mine from San Diego was at her in call (a hotel room) in Los Angeles. The same thing happened. LE came to her room and busted her for escorting without a license (versus prostitution), proven with the ad and the phone number and/or photos.
The LE did try to get them both to say that they were going to give sex for money by saying things like, "I got ripped off before. How do I know that if I give you this money you're going to have sex with me?" Totally paraphrased. Both knew enough not to admit something like that. So, they avoided prostitution charges.
It is my understanding that LE will NOT come to your in call in San Diego. But, obviously it varies from city to city.
I'm a provider and this is a provider's story. I don't know if they would go to a hobbyist's in call in those cities or not.
I was told that it's not cost effective for LE to go to a provider's in call location, but they DO. At least in LA and in Salt Lake City they will do it to a provider.
When I was new I didn't know how to check references. After my friend got busted in SLC (after a year of providing for me) I learned how. All I really did was eliminate my 50% no show rate! I try to tell this to providers who don't check references, but they don't believe me. They think they will lose business, but it saved me a lot of wasted time in the end.
It is critically important for us all to check reviews and references.
Statistically speaking "being on your own turf" does reduce your chances of encountering LE, but much more so for the guys than for the ladies.
It's a double standard, but it's true. LE is much more willing to let a male undercover officer pose as a john and bust a hooker on his own in her incall, but they are very loath to allow a female officer into a hotel room or home alone in an environment that they don't control.
This does NOT mean that I am talking in absolutes, and newbies especially should still stick to well reviewed providers, and provider should still screen, screen, screen to say safe. I am just pointing out which methods of hobbying can further keep the odds in your favor.
The most common reason LE goes after an individual provider at her incall is a complaint from a neighbor or business that they have to act on. The bigger bang for the buck comes from setting up their own incall, and sweeping up a bunch of johns in one afternoon.
...once your penis enters her, it is fair to presume she is not LE. Until then, you will never know. Therefore, stick with known providers.
I am confused. Newbie here. After reading all of the advice, what i take from this is that it is much less risky from to ask a provider to your home than doing an infall. LE usually will not send someone into a private residence to do a bust, right?
and even then not totally risk free, but yes from a strictly LE standpoint outcalls are less risky than incalls as LE doesn't like to put a female officer into a situation where they don't "control the room" but they have been known to do exactly that on occasion, so don't think you can forget about doing your homework just because you are scheduling an outcall.
Now for the other risks of inviting a hooker into your home. Do I really have to detail all the risks of having a complete stranger come to the place you live to have an illegal activity with you. Just because I do it, doesn't mean that there are MANY risks to having a hooker to your home. Now scheduling an outcall to your hotel room is quite a different story, and many of us who travel a lot do exactly that with regularity, which of course is still not risk free, but it is one of the safer ways to do this.