Yeah, I just don't like the idea of being in a database somewhere thats clearly associated with this
I'm a total newbie going through screening with a well reviewed provider (70+ reviews) on here but still obviously paranoid. Wouldn't it make sense for me to email her from a work address to verify me instead of the other way around? I'm feeling skittish. Thoughts?
70+ reviews... she's legit. If you want to see her, you'll need to do pretty much what ever she wants you to do...
Don't sweat it. Neither proves anything on way or the other. Better to have her email you, you can always claim its spam if your work notices and asks you about it. Personally I'd never use a work email. You know that you have no rights to those emails and that they are free to read everyone of your emails?
Not sure I'm clear on this. Does she want to email to your work email? If she does, it's about the same as calling your work phone, an innocuous reminder of an appointment. That way, she does know you work there, and are not LE. If you are hesitant to have that done, ask if there is another way she can verify you.
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Yeah she wants to email me for verification, because I don't have a p411 account. I'm sorta of the mindset that I don't fully trust the "we destroy your personal info" bit, when every business maintains records and backups of their servers and I doubt they're working off paper in this day and age. Just something about it all in a centralized spot makes it ripe pressure from LE. Idk, paranoid I guess.
I see a lot of back and forth about never giving out work info for verification, some are adamant against it while others say as long as they're well reviewed. Either way youre trusting a stranger with your info, be it p411 folks or the provider.
Maybe I won't go through with the whole thing lol...
As previously noted, you have no right to the contents of your work email and you should have no expectation of privacy. What is not generally known is that in most states, an employer has the right to monitor you email communications with or without your knowledge. You should not use any email address (work or private) with your real name to do hobbying. Create a fictitious gmail or yahoo account using your screen name. No provider or client uses email with their real names attached.
If you are not a member, you should join P411 which will handle the verification which is accepted by most providers. They will require work related information to verify, but that normally consists of an office phone number that they can use. They will call and ask for you by name using some business related pretext, and if you are not available they will leave a discrete voice mail with a number for you to return the call.
Some providers and their "assistants" will claim that P411 is compromised and request your real name and other personal information. I would strongly advise against putting that type of information in the hands of a complete stranger. If they refuse to accept one of the independent verification services, move on to the hundreds of other providers who will. That advice applies whether you are married, have a SO or single.
Yeah, I created a new email for the contact. I'm not worried about work seeing it, I'm one of the guys who control all that so...
Isn't p411 giving info the complete strangers as well though? Plus trusting they actually destroy your info? No win situation for me it seems lol
Can you share your primary concerns with handing over work email? Also when I checked out P411 it said they give your full name to the provider on their sign up form? I appreciate the input
I thought my previous post was specific about the risks of providing work emails. Also what you do in your private life is nobody's business. P411 does not provide your personal identifying information to providers. Rather, a provider can only view your profile page which does includes your real first name and your profile number that a provider can use to confirm your identity. It also includes your age, ethnicity, city, likes, interests. You can modify this aspect of your profile page at any time.
It is really a question of your tolerance for risk. For me, the less risk the better.
Employers of most any size have a written code of conduct. There is always some verbiage about email. Usually they allow for limited personal usage. They also tell you it is being monitored and some of the programs that do that can search for all kinds of key words.
Using that environment to set up a meeting to participate in illegal activites is not wise. You are leaving electronic finger prints of a potential felony at your employer. Unless you have a contract you are an "at will" employee. Emails from a hooker are an easy, "see you ya, wouldn't want to be ya," for management.
You really should think this through.
but your other points are well taken for most hobbyists.
I guess I am the exception to that rule however. I do use my work email for hobby purposes, but I am the boss, and everybody already knows I fuck hookers, so quite frankly I don't give a fuck, but that's just me. I can hardly claim to speak for most guys as very few of you are in the same position as me. For the overwhelming number of guys, using your work email is a horrible idea.
I have done a couple of stints in large company HR. You would be amazed at the stupid things people do to get fired. Quite a few around email and company paid for phones. If people are stupid in those areas, they tend/not always, to be stupid in others like expense reporting.
I have seen the deer in the headlights look when you give them copies of emails before you escort them out the door. Not pleasant.
Yeah I'll probably end up going with a p411 account. The intial contact was made already, she was just going to email from a separate email account (not the one she uses for appointments) with a subject line of my choosing to verify. But I suppose p411 is safer provided they do delete the info
Until you are not, then everything can come back and bite you in the ass. Of course, if you are the boss and you don't care if the world knows about your hobby then you have nothing to worry about.
Unless I have to give out my personal info, I don't give them out. That's my principle. Why take any unnecessary risk?
Even though I don't care about the world knowing, I rarely provide personal info for screening, I have plenty of P411 okays, and I am rarely asked for anything more. I just don't like to jump through extra hoops to see a hooker, so I generally refuse to do so unless she is super hot.
To quote a wise man (for the umpteenth time)
"I will beg for pussy, and I will pay for pussy, but I will NOT beg to pay for pussy"
As I understand his situation he's already made contact with her via a fake email account. She merely wants to verify his employment via his work email. Unless her email address is [email protected], or they're both not discreet in the content of the email, I see no problems here. He can have her email him at his work address and he can reply with a predetermined negative response signaling to her that he is the "owner" of that email address. If, somehow, later down the road her email account is compromised by LE, his biggest worry would not be from the company email exchange because he would have already disclosed his personal info via his fake email account.
This is correct. Fake email for original contact, only has my 1st name so far. She said she'd use another email not the one used for appointments with a subject line of my choosing to send to my work email.
It has occasionally been compromised in the past, but it's been around for a long time. When they find out about a compromise they let everyone know right away.
It's only compromised when someone gets busted and is persuaded to give up their P411 ID info. Then, LE books appointments using that ID until it becomes known that that's what happens. This is my understanding, anyways.
It's not like LE has every acquired our personal info from p411 some other way. I've never heard of that happening
Once you have a few references, you can use a different name, email address, and phone number, all for the hobby. Because nobody cares who you REALLY are, we just want to know that you are safe to see.
P411 is pretty great. I recommend them for you as a newbie. I think MOST established providers will recognize that P411 has confirmed your identity and employment. So you are not LE, and there can be accountability if you do something really wrong.
When I see a brand new P411 client, or someone with only a couple of okays, I notify my assistant that I'm seeing that person. I just want somebody to know who I am seeing just in case something happens.
The guys are probably better at answering these questions because providers all have their different ways of doing things. Some are super cautious
There's nothing illegal about having a P411 account. From what I've understood from your comments this would solve the email conundrum you're having.
Yeah, I just don't like the idea of being in a database somewhere thats clearly associated with this
...but Canada presents another level of "protection" for you. That doesn't mean your info couldn't be accessed but really shouldn't be a concern. Are you that important that they want to go to that extent to get you?
Try to trust the advice of the people who have been around for a while who say P411 is good, and as long as you check references and reviews carefully, you should be able to have a lot of fun safely and for a long tie.
if you access it from your computer at work? Any thoughts on this
Agreed, but almost everyone does it. Just wondering if it can still be monitored in any way, like work email?
Not really. They can see "Joe smith access gmail from this computer at 9am Monday the 11th" is about it. Always better safe than sorry though. Unless you analyzed the fine print of your employee agreement
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