But you should be able to figure out the typical GFE rates for the Dallas area by looking at the P411 ads in conjunction with TER (sinse ladies can no longer be specific about their services on P411) and use that as a guide. But usually the hourly rate for a FS massage at a massage parlor (including the tip for the FS part), is only about 2/3 or 1/2 of the rate of well-reviewed GFE providers (from my experience on the east coast around the DC area anyway). Also, if this wasn't clearly framed and understood to be a 2 hour date, but with a dinner - the default assumption would be that you would be paying her something for ALL 3.5 hours of her time. So it's pretty hard for me to see this adding up to only twice what you pay for her services at the MP (which I assume is for 1 hour).
Having said all that, I'd just ask her, since she may have a standard rate (though doesn't sound like this is for sure, if only on a sugar daddy" site). Either it will sound acceptable to you, or it won't. Best of luck.Ok, so I just started in the hobby (3 ok at p411). Dfw area. Met a nice lady and great connection at L2 massage place. No, I am not looking for a girlfriend or a divorce but asked her if she would be interested in GFE date. So help me if you will, how to get this first GFE date right because there is much that is unclear, including the all-important compensation part. She does not have an online presence (think P411, Bp) clearly stating rates but she does have an account on a "sugar daddy" type of site (she gave me her contact info directly so "I don't have to join the site". Ok, then. So I clearly asked for GFE meeting, which at this point I see as dining in restaurant at nice hotel, convo, friendly vibes all along and then up to a room for some 2 hours. Say 3.5 hours total for a first date. She is in.
Question: how (and if) should I enquire about the economics of the thing? I work in business and my intuition is a fair rate would be no more than 2x what is charged at the MP (where the action is pretty hot already) for the "between closed doors" time, maybe the same would apply to the dining time? Of course you could say "you'd better just go and ask", but do I really have to? I am sure there are graceful ways to enquire but in any case could someone help me understand what would be reasonable considering I know exactly the MP rate? The meeting would be off-hours for her so much less of an opportunity cost for her. I would like to start this right because I can see some nice outings ahead with this one.
Any insights would be welcome. Thanks!
But you should be able to figure out the typical GFE rates for the Dallas area by looking at the P411 ads in conjunction with TER (sinse ladies can no longer be specific about their services on P411) and use that as a guide. But usually the hourly rate for a FS massage at a massage parlor (including the tip for the FS part), is only about 2/3 or 1/2 of the rate of well-reviewed GFE providers (from my experience on the east coast around the DC area anyway). Also, if this wasn't clearly framed and understood to be a 2 hour date, but with a dinner - the default assumption would be that you would be paying her something for ALL 3.5 hours of her time. So it's pretty hard for me to see this adding up to only twice what you pay for her services at the MP (which I assume is for 1 hour).
Having said all that, I'd just ask her, since she may have a standard rate (though doesn't sound like this is for sure, if only on a sugar daddy" site). Either it will sound acceptable to you, or it won't.
Best of luck.
Thanks for the answer and yes I agree with you about the 2x rate and I was referring to hourly rate, so yes it would be much more expensive that a visit to the MP as well it should 
I'd, and this doesn't mean its right, would ask directly. "Hey sexy, I tried to find the info online but couldn't, I'm wondering what a GFE, dinner date 4 hours runs." Yes there is a bit of risk, if you haven't seen her before, that she'll shut you out but its unlikely. If she isn't listing dates that long, she either doesn't do them or would be thrilled by the offer. Getting paid to eat is easy money.
If you want more info or related tips check back here someone will answer or PM me, I'll tell you how it worked for me in a similar situation or two.
I don't have any directly related experience, but I find it strange that she already knows you from the MP, gave you her contact info, and agreed to this outside date, but didn't tell you how much it would cost. I guess you'll have to ask.
You would be surprised about the disparity in rates, which i believe are directly related to two things'
1) how mercenary she is
2) how much she likes you.
I would do exactly what other have suggested, and simply ask her how much (if any) money she wants for her time. You might be amazed at how little she wants if she really likes you. Or it might be strictly business in which case it's still best that she sets the rates and you either accept or reject them.
Just ask and offer a rate that is in line with the local area.
There's a third MP gal I've have tried to do this with, but she tells me she is in a committed SO relationship and does not want to go there. I still see her for an MP session and have a good time with her there. Some day maybe?
I would frame the suggested "date" plan to her & simply ask what the total is. You might be pleasantly surprised.
A private FBSM gal I saw for several years, expected a nice tip for "extras" but never would set a rate. I think she felt it protected her from LE somewhat. I tipped enough to bring it up to a total for a FS gal with similar services. She continued to take my calls so I guess my compensation was adequate.
The risk of low balling is the gal might get offended.
If she won't say then you must make an offer.
Good luck!
I think your main question is "do I really have to ask" and the answer is yes. By all means do it in a respectful way. If you don't ask then take a look at the rates of your well reviewed providers in your area who offer FS GFE dinner dates and plan to compensate your new friend accordingly. If you feel you want this outing to be a spring board to future dates don't be a cheapskate. If you aren't comfy with dropping anywhere from 500-800 on this multi hour date then ask her for an hour instead and go from there.
Thanks for the input. The $ range you mentioned is exactly what I have in mind and being cheap is the last thing I want since I look for follow-up dates. The way things have evolved I think it is understood I will bring a "fair and customary" gift (thanks TER and P411 for the intel!) plus a few nice not-extravagant non-monetary niceties based on what we talked. But given the good connection so far and the assumption that both sides are planning on multiple dates, I think I am going without asking... Don't know if it sounds dumb but in many places overseas that's how it goes when you are not dealing with a "donations available on my website" type of girl. Assumption is: the gentleman will know what to do.