otherwise why bother if we are dealing with fear?
In any case, I don't have any qualms either way as the gals I see are all well reviewed, for the most part.
In terms of how to do first introduction, I follow whatever requirements the gal sets up on her site. 95% of the time, it is through email, which suits me fine also.
Feel free to ask more questions. They are all good ones.
Sorry if this is long winded but I wanted to explain where I am now as a newbie and get some advice.
I am I will admit paranoid. I am very new at this hobby. I have seen providers list that they have incall and outcall rates. So far I have tried one provider which was great. However, I feel the need to always do outcall. Incall I am terrified about LE traps outcall in my paranoid world seems to allow me to be in more control. The cost is higher for outcalls. I also booked a hotel that had interior facing doors. That way people need to go through a lobby which could reduce the likely hood of getting jumped. I know this is less likely from a provider with multiple reviews but safety is always paramount.
As far as LE I figure it is harder to track if they are traveling. Also with my room I know there are no cameras in the room. I know they may have on concealed but at least I know the room is safe. Also sometimes LE raids incall locations due to neighbors and activity reported in the area. I figure my own hotel room provides little if any attention with us meeting.
How do most of you (both providers and hobbyists) prefer to do first introductions? Am I normal in this belief or do most of you just do the incall if the provider has multiple reviews? If you go with the reviews how many reviews until you feel safe?
I have more questions but rather than write a post that is longer than War And Peace I figured I can add the questions after I see replies.
Thank you all
It's funny, I never really thought about it because I only see girls when traveling so having them come to my room makes sense. But I see where you're coming from, and some of those reasons are definitely part of the decision process that led to that in my lizard brain.
I'm also (I get it's weird here, fuck off) happily married. I just like variety. But I really don't like risk because I'd like to stay happily married. So I'm more paranoid than most, but here's how I see it.
1) LE really is a lot less likely with outcall to your hotel room. You're sending the girl the hotel room number an hour or so in advance. There's just not really enough time to get a safe operation in place, and it's not cost effective anyway since they'd get to bust one sad monger. But if they put up a BP ad and run idiots into a room at a motel, they can get 20 guys in bracelets in a half-day. Officer safety and departmental efficiency makes it vastly less likely a woman showing up at your room is a cop than if you go to her place.
2) I like the comfort that controlling the space gives me over my privacy. If I've seen a girl before, I may be a little bit more lax, but if not, I'm ridiculously careful. Everything that identifies me is in the room safe in the closet. Including baggage tags, business cards, iPad, phone,, laptop with a sticker identifying a connection to my real life... everything. Incall, you're parking at her place or her hotel. Your license plate is visible. You probably bring your wallet in. Maybe your phone too. 99% of the time if you've done your research you won't have an issue. But there are plenty of stories of guys who have had issues. I like to make sure I'm not one.
3) Its just nicer. I pick the hotel. I order the wine and snacks I want. I don't have to drive around some strange neighborhood. I can shower 10 minutes before she arrives. I can watch Monday Night Football while I'm waiting. It's never run-down, dirty, covered in pet hair, smelling like smoke or whatever she cooked last, too cold, too hot, or creepy. I am 100% certain no one except housekeeping will show up. The sheets, towels, glassware and pillowcases are always clean. It's predictable, and that means I'm more relaxed and have a better time.
4) When she leaves, it's done. I'm not driving, again, somewhere I'm not supposed to be with a glass or two of wine in me and my thoughts still on her body, I'm taking a hot shower and turning the game back on.
So yeah, I don't think your instincts are wrong or weird. Never really had given it much thought, but I seem to share 'em.
Have fun out there.
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and this has been the topic of many conversations here.
The good news is, the consensus agrees with you completely, for many of the same reasons you just mentioned.
You can never eliminate 100% of the risk, but your chances of encountering LE by sticking to outcalls with well reviewed ladies here are just about nil. It is very rare that LE will put a female officer in that kind of jeopardy simply to make a misdemeanor arrest for solicitation. Just like you, LE likes to be in control of the space, and then there is the matter of limited resources and LE getting the most "bang for their buck" as you mentioned in your post.
For the record, I do both incalls and outcalls, and I feel perfectly comfortable doing either, but there is no denying that from the guys perspective at least, outcalls are much safer for us.
are the most secure for YOU, not for her. She's walking ino an unknown situation. But if you can pay the freight, their are some fine gals who will do outcall to your room. Their are even a few who moonlight... after their day job... and are therefore not ever going to do an INCALL.
If you do OUTCALL to your home, that's much higher risk, IMHO.
INcalls have their place where a client doesn't pay extra for a room but wants no paper trail.
In either case, you need VIP... see only well reviewed providers... reduces ALL your risks, not just LE. The risk of scams & ripoffs is higher than LE in most areas.
otherwise why bother if we are dealing with fear?
In any case, I don't have any qualms either way as the gals I see are all well reviewed, for the most part.
In terms of how to do first introduction, I follow whatever requirements the gal sets up on her site. 95% of the time, it is through email, which suits me fine also.
Feel free to ask more questions. They are all good ones.
Thanks everyone. A few more questions.
How many reviews should be enough. For example I see someone that piqued my interest. She current has 5 reviews. I clicked on the peoples names and the reviewers seem ok. Non of the hobbyists had white list references. This particular provider seems like it would be a good time.. Does LE ever post a provider and post fake reviews to promote a sting?
I am sure the comfort level will get better as I engage. Just making sure I do it right so it will always be enjoyable.
enough to not have to worry about a gal.
Yes, I'm sure LE might have on occasion tried to put up some bait, but it is relatively rare.
And kudos for spelling "piqued" correctly. I think that is the most often misspelled word after Jell-O.
Thank you. Everyone has been helpful and not talked down to me
You seem awfully paranoid, I wonder if you will be able to enjoy your time with the lady? Will you be thinking about everything that could go wrong. Maybe your car will be stolen. Perhaps your wife's best friend will walk by just as you let the lady into your room. On and on.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
I think you would have better odds of winning the Mega-millions game then having LE run a fake review sting.
As mentioned above they are looking for low hanging fruit. Backpage ad saying, "I just turned 19 and oh yeah I'm 420 friendly" will give LE a much better return on investment than a fake review.
Good luck
Yea i am fine. The experience I had so far was great. I always over analyze before I do something. When I actually do it I always think I over thought everything. 😊 It is just something that OCD has made me have learned to live with.
Thank you all again.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
I think you would have better odds of winning the Mega-millions game then having LE run a fake review sting.
As mentioned above they are looking for low hanging fruit. Backpage ad saying, "I just turned 19 and oh yeah I'm 420 friendly" will give LE a much better return on investment than a fake review.
Good luck.
...and had all kinds of similar questions and concerns.
I think it's natural, though yeah, some are bigger worriers than others, but there is nothing wrong with that. Believe me once you get in the room with a lady and the fun starts, that puts an end to any LE concerns there may have been before.
Now, if a guy is nervous about being with a beautiful stranger, that is a whole different issue...
If you read a bunch of reviews for your area, you see certain names pop up often. Experiencd reviewers should have 5-10 reviews minimum.
I have never thought about this from a gentleman point of view because i feel this same way as a provider. So it makes total since to me why you guys would feel this way.