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Re: Sounds like you blew it
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You blew it.  Definately.  Rates=Money for Sexual Services IS the defination of Prostitution which is exactly what LE needs to bust her.  WHY on Earth did you do this?  You read the full reviews to find out about services.  You can ask about rates for her tiime IF it's not on her ad.  TER might not be up to date...  but it should be close.  
Move on & Screw up no more.
 

Posted By: DJ1985
The good part is you seem to already know what you did wrong. It's time to start looking for someone else and this time put your new lessons to good use. After getting yourself established with some other providers you can try her again and she may be willing to see you then.  
 If you do your research on a well established provider should never be a reason to ask about rates or services because that info should be easy to find.

I've had my eye on a well established provider for awhile now -- she's someone I've very much wanted to see.  After a brief cordial email exchange a few weeks ago, our conversation came to an abrupt halt when I stupidly inquired about rates and services.  (Yes I knew better, but it seemed OK at the time.)  Recently I submitted the contact form from her website.   I didn't include reference information there, although I could have...I simply preferred an alternative form of verification if possible.  I received no reply during the usual time frame and after two follow up messages.  

I certainly respect a providers decision to not to see me or anyone for whatever reason, but I'm disappointed that I didn't receive any reply whatsoever.  Can anything more be done at this point?  I'm still not exactly sure why I'm receiving the silent treatment but am really kicking myself...

...of asking about rates And services. Asking about rates if done correctly isn't necessarily a problem. Rates and services together, not a good idea. Even just asking about services is a problem. One other thing is you said you had a brief e-mail exchange. She may have decided you were a time waster since you didn't set up an appointment sooner. Also not putting references on her form (assuming she requested them there) could cause her to go silent.  

I get it about the references on the form but if you're going to fill out the form she's going to want it complete. I won't fill out a form. I do supply all info in my initial contact e-mail. I've never had a lady not respond.

The good part is you seem to already know what you did wrong. It's time to start looking for someone else and this time put your new lessons to good use. After getting yourself established with some other providers you can try her again and she may be willing to see you then.
If you do your research on a well established provider should never be a reason to ask about rates or services because that info should be easy to find.

You blew it.  Definately.  Rates=Money for Sexual Services IS the defination of Prostitution which is exactly what LE needs to bust her.  WHY on Earth did you do this?  You read the full reviews to find out about services.  You can ask about rates for her tiime IF it's not on her ad.  TER might not be up to date...  but it should be close.  
Move on & Screw up no more.
 

Posted By: DJ1985
The good part is you seem to already know what you did wrong. It's time to start looking for someone else and this time put your new lessons to good use. After getting yourself established with some other providers you can try her again and she may be willing to see you then.  
 If you do your research on a well established provider should never be a reason to ask about rates or services because that info should be easy to find.

When we spoke earlier she mentioned charging a "fetish" rate for something I asked her about...I couldn't find such a rate specifically mentioned on her website so I was inclined to follow up by asking what it would be.  Later in the same email I also asked if her services profile was accurate on TER and unfortunately got a bit too specific at that point, forgetting momentarily the two topics can't be discussed together.  Doing so was my own fault, no doubt... but is this generally considered grounds for no further communication, ever?    

That said, I'm not absolutely certain this is why I haven't heard from her or if there is some other reason.  I can't think of anything I would have done differently in filling out the contact form (other than perhaps just listing my references which I ultimately would have provided anyway, if necessary).  Not hearing from her is especially bothersome, I guess, because I generally expect that others will be as up front with me as I aim to be with them.  

 

Posted By: DJ1985
The good part is you seem to already know what you did wrong. It's time to start looking for someone else and this time put your new lessons to good use. After getting yourself established with some other providers you can try her again and she may be willing to see you then.  
 If you do your research on a well established provider should never be a reason to ask about rates or services because that info should be easy to find.

Linking sex and money is exactly what LE would do, so yes it is grounds for no further communication with you. Talking about sex for money, what ever your reason, is one of the quickest ways to end communication. Live and learn and don't do it again.

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Between not following industry standard or even her own clearly laid out rules, your repetition of "I expect a response", your inability to let go of a situation that common sense would tell any provider she should halt communication, and the fact that you inquired about services clearly listed on her profile hinting that you are not ok with the YMMV concept, I'm willing to bet you are also one of those guys who followed up with one of those snippy "I didn't hear from you" emails because you expect and deserve one as a none paying customer, and she put the block on you permanently if she hadn't already.  

Of course, I don't know your specific situation. Just how it plays out given the details you've provided. We get these emails daily and know how they all turn out, so don't give it any more thought than she did. Move on and keep questions like that to yourself next time because you know you know better than to screw yourself out of a good time

I answered your fetish question because it was fairly innocuous, and that was in and of itself gratuitous on my part considering you asked anonymously. Once you started asking about VERY specific sex acts in the same email in which you inquired about rates, I told you the conversation was over and I explained why. When you pushed the subject again using a different email address, you earned yourself a spot in my "jerk-offs" folder. The incomplete screening form was inconsequential at that point.  

 
Julia, DJ and SYW summed it up perfectly. Lesson learned: don't be a line-crosser. First impressions are everything, and if you start pushing boundaries via email, it makes us wonder if you'll be a boundary pusher BCD. Once someone crosses that line, they are not entitled to a response.

It was a bonehead move on my part.  In my mind, I thought contacting you with a different address could provide an opportunity to resume the conversation sans the boundary crossing.  I just wasn't expecting such negative repercussions.  

I do understand that providers are in a difficult situation and do not wish to get into a back and forth discussion with potential clients when there is a problem...that does make sense to me now, and I appreciate the insights of those who chimed in.   I also thank you for explaining yourself...at least now I know where you were coming from; this is important to me.... it's just my nature to want to understand exactly why things are they way they are.

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and proved yourself to be dishonest as well as indiscrete. My advice is to quit while you are behind. You have been given some very good advice here, use it, move on to the next lady on your list and don't make the same mistakes.

If you continue to try to convince her, and us for that matter, you will find yourself on multiple DNS lists instead of just one. Hopefully you have learned your lesson and will do better next time

You're having trouble letting it go and want some resolution.  She peaked your interest and you want to see her, especially now that it appears that's not an option.  Researching them and thinking about them can get one all pumped up in anticipation about how great it will be.  All of a sudden the carpet is pulled out and it won't happen and that makes you think about her more.  Unfortunately, as difficult as it may be, you absolutely have to let it go.  You made her uncomfortable.  You're sorry and you didn't mean to but you did.  She doesn't know you or your intentions, multiple attempts at contact isn't reassuring her, it's making it worse.  Remember that as you contemplate sending her just one more email.  I know several women that will not respond to guys if they don't plan to see them because they feel that is the easiest and best way to make them go away and prevent it from turning into a stalker situation.  This seems really important to you right now but go research someone else, handle the exchange better, and go see her.  As my mother use to say "this too shall pass".

Thanks for your kind and thoughtful reply.  I'm over it now and am moving on.

Posted By: Goliath.789
You're having trouble letting it go and want some resolution.  She peaked your interest and you want to see her, especially now that it appears that's not an option.  Researching them and thinking about them can get one all pumped up in anticipation about how great it will be.  All of a sudden the carpet is pulled out and it won't happen and that makes you think about her more.  Unfortunately, as difficult as it may be, you absolutely have to let it go.  You made her uncomfortable.  You're sorry and you didn't mean to but you did.  She doesn't know you or your intentions, multiple attempts at contact isn't reassuring her, it's making it worse.  Remember that as you contemplate sending her just one more email.  I know several women that will not respond to guys if they don't plan to see them because they feel that is the easiest and best way to make them go away and prevent it from turning into a stalker situation.  This seems really important to you right now but go research someone else, handle the exchange better, and go see her.  As my mother use to say "this too shall pass".

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1.) Upfront, just in case you haven't already gotten the message, you royally fucked up in this instance and committed the cardinal sin of mongering. Go forth and sin no more.

2.) Get used to this pattern of communication. Even if you come correct you're not going to get a response a significant percentage of the time. In fact, I was amazed that you even got a "cordial email exchange." It happens to me and my references are impeccable, I tip, always leave exactly on time and I don't stink. There's a million different reasons why a girl isn't responding, none of which you're going to figure out, so don't try and don't take it personally.

I apparently came across as a jerk in my initial communications and accept responsibility for the consequences.  First impressions ARE very important ---and yes,  I lost sight of that when it was most critical.  The motivation for the OP here was to not to direct malice however--no names were mentioned.  It was to vent frustration, that's all.  I knew there was a good chance I could be slammed, for whatever reason, but at least now I know exactly why things went south -- I suspected the possible reason but wasn't sure.   Normally I don't sweat these things but this one was especially difficult.   I'm sure everyone here is convinced I'm a complete idiot and I won't try to change their minds.   I deserve to be spanked....call me a masochist ;)   Again, time to move on...

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Maybe she accidentally crossed a line herself by talking about the fetish rates and realized she better shut down communication just incase you were a cop. :/

This is an interesting observation that I hadn't thought of.   In hindsight I should have handled things differently so I place the blame squarely on myself, however.  I'm finding providers can differ widely in their reactions to client questions, especially sensitive ones, so I should have been more much more careful.  Thanks for posting.

Like others have said... move on (you seem to have gotten this message).
These are far and away the two most important words for a new hobbiest to really learn to practice.
All other lessons are more natural and things any guy with a pea for a brain would already know ("be clean", "be respectful", "be discreet").  "Move on" can take a bit longer to really sink in, because you have to come to understand the true nature of this business and why the "rules" of interactions that govern the hobby are so different from the usual conventions that govern communications (whether those be of a social or business nature).

Don't take things personally, because NONE of this is personal.  Ladies don't know you, and you don't know them.
Learn as you go, and try not to make the same mistake twice.  Respect ladies, AND just as importantly, respect yourself.

Okay, enough with my hobbying philosophy, lol...

The point of my subject line is that, P411 is a great way to build up credibility.

If you are on there and move on to other ladies and build-up credibility with lots of okays, then maybe in a year or so you could send a respectful appointment request via P411 to this lady (if she is on P411), without referencing these recent communictions in any way shape or form.  Not that I'm encouraging you to hang on to an obsession (forgive me, I realize I'm using this term pretty loosely here) over this lady, just saying that time and circumstances COULD possibly lead to a different outcome at some point in the future if you build up a good reputation (particularly with P411, because with no work, ladies can instantly see how many "okays" you have and get a REALLY good idea that you are not a time-waster)

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