Sometimes the second choice turns out to be better than the first choice which is often apparent in the review.  Does it add anything to the review?  Probably not, however, as long as the review is truthful, does it really matter?

I say .. Name names. So we know who the providers are that cancel on us.

It lets people knows that some of the well reviewed and well liked indie can be unreliable sometimes...
The reason not to mention names maybe because one never knows that the no show is cause by personal issue or simply being a flake.  Hence, simple mentioned the exerience should be enough..
I have seen many times on this and other board that if one mentioned the name of a well known and liked indie was no show.  It just cause her follower to attact him and may effect his encounter with other ladies.....

You're exactly right.  Who hasn't had a cancellation at one time or another.  Just get over the coitus interruptus, so to speak, --- reset the clock and move on.

Oh, Sorry!  I was going to reply to the question about the Horseshoe re-opening.  

Oh Well!  I would agree that it would not make a provider feel either better about herself or her date.  If the hobbyist were to call back for a future date, maybe the provider should say "Gee I was planning to see a really nice guy, but you will do."

It would be rude to tell a provider in person she was a  second (or third) choice, so it's equally hurtful to read that in a review of herself.

If the guy wants to let it be known that so-and-so cancelled at the last minute, or was a no-show, he could post it on this board and tell her name.

Here's what I think...

Yes, I'm very much aware of Cindy Spice's campaign to discredit me by exploiting my problem with punctuality. (Pillow talk can be very informative)
Is this another attempt Cindy? You seemed so nice when I met and interviewed you for the Showtime project.
By way of explanation, I do my best to schedule appointments around my monthly cycle, but since it started earlier than expected this month, I had to cancel some appointments. I made alternative arrangements for most of them, but I'm assuming that one out of the two who opted to make their own arrangements contacted Cindy, thus making her aware of the situation.
I consider keeping appointments while on your period to be very rude and unprofessional and my clients seem to appreciate it when I make them aware of my condition, thus giving them the option to cancel instead of just showing up and saying, "Oh my God, you’re never going to believe this, but...I've just started my period!"

Cindy, you've gained an impressive reputation for yourself as a respectable, honest and kind provider. You'll ruin it completely if you persist with your not so subtle "digs" at other providers.

Nobody is perfect and we all have not so desirable qualities that we must work on. Exploiting the short comings of others will not help you with yours. I'm still working on my punctuality. However, I do have the forgiveness thing down and I would like to resolve this matter like mature adults.

I don't care.  What difference does it make?

Cindy, I agree completely.  Making girls feel special and good about themselves is a must for any man with a tender heart....in a review, or otherwise.

Jacksonlips

It's sometimes an unfortunate part of the biz. At least the provider in question was honest enough to actually call and cancel and also recommend someone else. As a hobbyist, there have been times I'm sitting in my room twiddling my thumbs waiting for an overdue provider that never shows up. I would rather my date call and be truthful and cancel. Both sides of the equation here cancel for one reason or another, or worse yet...be a no-show. I am always more understanding when a provider has the courtesy to call me and inform me of the situation, s**t happens. Whether it's a monthly visitor, illness, travel problems, etc. I would rather be with a date who's 100% than with someone who's only at 50%.

Well personally, I see no reason to tell "choice" #2 that somebody cancelled.  Basically, I am calling a lady because I want to see her.  I think it is kind of ridiculus to put in a review that you saw another lady because so and so cancelled.  It's beside the point.

If you want to call a lady out for cancelling, then do it in another thread.  That's what the board is there for.  To mention in a review that you saw a lady because so and so cancelled cheapens the experience and the lady that you are seeing.

Bond

I always try to put in my reviews things that the lady won't get pissed off about and most the time it's things she knows about, ie My review of Ava Devine is very graphic per her request "She said go for it", but review of Daphne Rosen is not at all and I would never say "Oh, She was my second choice", Fisrt thing, every woman I see, I want to see sooner or later and it's hard sometimes to decide who to see first and is just a coin toss many times.

I have also had two very poor encounters (in my opinion and I do understand I have very high standards in many ways) that I didn't even feel right posting reviews about, me and the two women just didn't click and I felt it unfair to write a bad review when it was onvious that nither of us are into the session at all. I have also met a number of women who ask me not to post reviews, which I will respect, even if I don;t understand...I mean if your great, you should want the whole world to know, but whatever.

In many of my reviews you'll see, She was on of my ATF's like I wrote with Kayla Kleevage or Keisha, or I was looking for her like with Kelly Star at AVN's, who is one of the women I set my sights on finding at AVN's in Vegas and was lucky enough to hook up with, I never really have a back up plan, just the next great woman to spend some time with waiting in the wings.

B-Pop

-- Modified on 3/21/2004 1:47:34 PM

Another point of view.

Sheet happens. I'd be worrying more about myself than what else is going on. I'd prefer any conversations between myself and a provider stay there, not posted on the boards, hypothetical or not. People can read too much into posts, e-mails, other forms of the written word, as one can only assume the mind set of the writer.

We are all only human. The show is over folks, let's break it up and move along.

I notice  some  guys in their reviews say things like this -

I was originally schedule to see a Vegas legend but she had to cancel at the last minute, so I ended up seeing  "so and so" .
I had an appointment with a well known independent , but she no showed so I ended up calling  "so and so"

(Guys that know the Vegas escort scene, and are regular players, are going to have a plan B, C and D when they visit. I count myself in that group, and have my cell phone programmed accordingly for my trips.)

Now I was wondering,  what do you think this adds to the review ?
Since we don't know who cancelled  or flaked because you don't mention her name , I don't really see the point in even making that statement .

(Guys make that statement, even though it doesn't "add" to the review, because they want to vent, but don't want to piss off the lady by naming her, or get red listed by other providers as a guy who spreads poision about them. I saw a lady in Vegas on a recent trip, she was late, which she usually is, but I allow for that and build it in to my schedule. Just one of the vicissitudes of the LV escort scene that I have come to accept. Do I name her, no, what's the point, I know she usually runs late, but I like being with her, and allow for it. Marco is gonna have a good time in Vegas regardless of who no shows, sicks out on me, shows up late, or gets drunked up and can't complete the date....)

Oh and I am sure it makes a girl feel real special that you let everyone know she was your second choice

(Again Cindy, one of the realities of the Vegas escort scene. Would the ladies rather get that donation from a guy who saw them as a secondary choice and gotten named in a review as such, or not have seen that client at all?)

So what do you guys think ?
xoxo CindySpice


(And that's what I think, xoxoxo to you CS)










-- Modified on 3/21/2004 8:45:31 PM

A lot of guys think strictly transactionally without thinking about the feelings of the other person. Yes, I think the lady is supposed to be understanding, since she did get paid, but just because you're paying for sex doesn't mean you forget everything you learned in charm school at home.

Really thoughtful post.

I think if you are paying hard earned money and the provider feels that she cannot live up to her standards or yours and lets you know with time or as I read it, a very good pinch hitter, that shows class and consideration by the provider.  I remember posting a so-so review on Cindy, and she flamed me for it, now she wants names etc...time to stop being the hall monitor and actually commend a provider who is thoughtful enough to provide a suitable back up at the last minute rather than being out a luck...

My two cents.

Let the truth be known.
I initially found this thread amusing and light reading but has now taken on a more serious tone. Now reputations are being threatened in a business where reputation is everything.
It was I whom CindySpice quoted in my recent review of Angella Masters and the third party in question was none other than Vegas legend L J Montana. Mnay on this board can probably attest to L J's sterling reputation. I have been in contact with LJ and she has given me permission to post details.

I had initially left out her name in the post for reasons already mentioned above. LJ was having Thermage,a nonsurgical skin enhancing procedure, the day I was to see her and she was lead to believe by her physician that she would be able to "return to work" immediately following the procedure... which she kept me informed me of. This was not the case in that she had facial pain and swelling immediately following and had to cancel at the last minute and referred me to Angella to pinch hit.

All turned out well with my visit with Angella as my review suggested. Although I was disappointed not seeing LJ, I was appreciative of her attempt to accomodated me up until the last minute. I believe she showed a lot of class and she and I are still communicating.

No harm done and no regrets. We should all get on with the business of pleasure and let this thread end.

...I can also see the perspective of the client. Of all the beautiful, talented, smart, sexy, and skilled independent ladies in Las Vegas, I feel there's certainly no shame in being anyone's "second choice"...or even their 3rd or 4th (and here I thought the MALE ego was the sensitive one). Heck, I can't see all of my favorite providers each time I come to town (though I wish I could). Not to mention the fact that one of the benefits of this "hobby" is the potential for variety in the women we as clients choose to see. So occasionally, spur of the moment decisions have to be made and just because I or any other client chooses to contact and/or select one lady before another doesn't necessarily mean that he will necessarily do so in that exact same order the next time. Or that one such lady is "better" or "more attractive" than another simply because of the order in which she was contacted. Especially when such a decision has to be made quickly because of an unexpected change in plans.

However, that having been said, I totally agree that most guys could be way more sensitive in how they word their reviews, especially when describing such scenarios as the ones you mentioned. Clients all too often forget that providers have lives outside of their "job", and unfortunate circumstances often intervene to ruin the best laid (pardon the pun) plans. Having a "backup" provider in mind, if you will, is not only a good idea for clients, but often necessary. Some ladies are better than others in assisting their clients in locating another provider in those situations when they are unable, for whatever reason, to see them as scheduled. But though a lady may think she knows her customer well to recommend another provider she thinks he might like, she may not always suggest someone who that gentleman may be "in the mood for" on that particular occasion. I know that working ladies usually don't mind helping each other out, especially their close friends, and that can be a valuable thing for both providers and clients alike. But a recommended substitute may not always be what the guy expects or desires at that point in time. And there's no polite way to deal with it other than to put ego (on both sides) aside and be honest. However, broadcasting those decisions to the world may not always be the best thing either.

So in conclusion, it's my opinion that there's plenty of "blame" to go around here. If the review writers would try to be a little MORE understanding before posting about such last-minute hassles (and many other things as well) and the ladies a little LESS sensitive over being identified as a possible "second" or "backup" choice, we all might be able to move forward without so many hurt feelings.

Regards,
Speed Racer