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Re: The short answer is YES, after over a decade here, i CAN conclude you are dishonest
yellowfever1250 10 Reviews 509 reads
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so i stated i have only seen one provider and u claim it is a lie because ive used provider(s) plural in another statement, but why would one lie about seeing only one provider? wouldnt it benefit me that i actually have seen multiple provider(s) instead of just one? why would i lie about seeing only one? if anything wouldnt it be the opposite, lying about seeing multiple providers when ive only seen one?  

and yes im going to keep on discussing this because i wont let someone call me a liar when i am clearly not
and as for being arrogant yes i admitted that and apologized for that however being arrogant doesnt translate into being a liar...  

of course ure going to ignore logic and reason and still think im some dishonest punk but take a step back and put down the pitchfork and torches, i think if u actually use logic and reason instead of feeling that i stepped on the veterans shoes u will see that i have no reason to lie about seeing only one provider....
Posted By: GaGambler
Just like Sultry was able to peg you as arrogant after just a couple of posts.

If you really want advice, stop being so defensive and simply accept the very good advice you have been given, if you want to argue, go to the GD board where you can get all of that kind of "discussion" that you could possibly want.  and just remember, this is the members being NICE to you as the rules of this board require us to be, if you want to know how we really feel, come over to GD and we can talk about it. lol
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hey everyone, had my first meet with a provider last week and it was a great and smooth session :D
still new to the hobby so im very paranoid

just wondering what r the chances that an established provider is "flipped" (been arrested and now working for LE to catch clients to reduce her sentence or whatever)  

and also ive done some research and found that if u answer and show up to an ad that happens to be a sting, they will arrest just for showing up?(even if u dont discuss anything sexual)
what i have been doing when communicating with a provider is strictly just asking when she is available and setting up a date and agreeing on her rates, i have never discussed anything remotely sexual ever, is this still enough for me to be arrested if i showed up to an ad that happens to be a sting?

thanks

see well reviewed providers who have reviews by established reviewers.  Do the research on her, check reviews, google the pics, google the phone number.  It might help to join one or more of the verification sites, Preferred411 will work with you to verify you.

It's true, some providers get turned, but it's rare, established ones rarely get caught.  If you show up and it's a sting, you are prob in trouble.  STFU and say nothing.  

Swim

What am I looking for when googling the phone number?  I would imagine the registered name is different or even a different individual.

TalkToTrees630 reads

... to know for certain if a provider has been "flipped" and is working for the cops.  

You have seen a few responses stating only go for well reviewed providers, well, even with those, a few have flipped. Yes, it does reduce the risk a lot, but does eliminate it 100%? Nope.

I suppose that as you gain more experience, you will be able to enhance your "Spidey-sense" and in the future you might be able to pick up something that is not right.  

I've had to rely on my instincts and I've paid heed to any 'red flags' that have come up.  

The main thing is not to go overboard with this LE paranoia and just do the best you can when meeting up with these well reviewed ladies.

Just go have fun and don't get wrapped up in the paranoia shit.

The Forest Waits

the p0int of txt kommunication in an unformal enternet settin is to get ur p0int across two the other party as convinent as possible and not to be an engrish nazi, fornuately providers i have spoken to r all internet txt friendly and not engrish nazis

GaGambler644 reads

except when you are actually texting. To use text speak when posting or emailing is a sign of laziness and disrespect to the recipient of the message.

If you want respect here, you will have to give it first, and one of the first signs of respect around here is to write in proper English.
Do as you wish, but outside of the Newbie board where we are required to be nice you most likely will catch a lot of flack for your lazy way of expressing yourself. Take my advice or not as you see fit, but I've been around here a long time and I know of what I speak.

ok i apologize if i came off as rude but my OP didnt really contain much txt slang, only are replaced with r or you replaced with u, and plus im doing this from my phone so i felt it was unnecessary to point it out especially since he didnt contibute to the thread

and im sorry if i came off as being a know it all but that is not the case, i understand that this hobby is still kinda taboo and needs to be taken with caution and theres much to learn and contribute, thats why im on here

i hope my uses of "r" and "u" and lack of peroids doesnt deter me from being a good member of the community

anyways the provider i chose for my provider cherry pop was very well established and had an enormous amount of (good) reviews and is extremely experienced
idk why she discussed rates with me? we strictly didnt talk about anything explicit even upon arrival

does anyone have any more info on the rates discusion legalities

I am new to this community but is this really how it is? He seems like a genuine guy with decent intentions and is getting put on blast for using "r" and "u"?  haha excuse my language then: LOL

...this is a place where we have all the "characters" we need so we use them. Yellowfever's dismissive reply and his poor advice to a newbie being a newbie himself in an earlier thread is what has caused a mild admonishment pointed in his direction.

We are very helpful here on the Newbie board. Feel free to ask questions. Swimtrekr as host along with many others are glad to help. We don't even mind if the question has been asked thousands of times before (and most have). Read back as many pages as you like and you will find this to be true.  

Here as anywhere you go it behooves the newbie to figure out how things are done before handing out advice or ridiculing the advice given.

Posted By: xyz23
...this is a place where we have all the "characters" we need so we use them. Yellowfever's dismissive reply and his poor advice to a newbie being a newbie himself in an earlier thread is what has caused a mild admonishment pointed in his direction.  
   
 We are very helpful here on the Newbie board. Feel free to ask questions. Swimtrekr as host along with many others are glad to help. We don't even mind if the question has been asked thousands of times before (and most have). Read back as many pages as you like and you will find this to be true.  
   
 Here as anywhere you go it behooves the newbie to figure out how things are done before handing out advice or ridiculing the advice given.
i know im still very new but me and him r in the same boat, i even emailed him and we both r from LI and we both go to nyc for providers, and i shared with him my experience
i told him to not mention that he was 19 voluntary(NOT the same as lie to or deceive a provider about ur age) and to browse ter searching for newbie friendly providers and then shared with him what happened with my first provider experience, i think "poor advice"  is a bit unfair

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...you were not honest with a provider about your age. I said poor advice, I think poor example applies as well. I didn't say bad advice but I probably should have. What you do effects you but telling a 19 yr old not to divulge his age to a provider is very bad advice. Seeing someone who needs to trust you in this business where we all do everything we can to be safe, discreet, and trustworthy then being dishonest by withholding his age makes her wonder what else did he lie about or not tell her. She won't be happy and therefore niether will he.  

There are providers that won't care about that stuff but then remember where I said we also want to be safe in this business. The providers that won't care don't care about his safety or yours either if that's the kind you see.

As for browsing TER and looking for newbie friendly providers?. Good idea.

GaGambler530 reads

How can he say he goes to LI to see "providers" (plural) when he just said he had only just seen his very first.

That makes him a liar to the rest of us as well as the provider/s that he sees.

Some of us have been doing this since a long time before you were even born. please don't think you are going to be putting one over on us, and if you continue to try to deceive the hookers that frequent this board, you are going to end up on a lot of DNS lists as is any other noob who follows your advice.

Now go stand in the corner until you have earned the right to be giving advice instead of asking for it.

(oh for the record, my last two paragraphs were obviously NOT directed towards xyz)

lol i dont think it was a lie rather a misunderstanding
LI isnt a good place for good providers or at least rarely, so when i am as close as i am to the Big Apple, then manhattan is the obvious choice, i dont plan on seeing any providers in LI in the near future and all the providers that i do plan on seeing in the near future r in manhattan so yea.................. i go to nyc to see provider(s)  

lol and no need to be aggressive, i have acknowledged that i am still new and have much to learn, after all we r all in the same boat with this hobbying and shouldnt be arguing  
and as for me deceiving, thats just pure exaggeration  

Posted By: GaGambler
How can he say he goes to LI to see "providers" (plural) when he just said he had only just seen his very first.

That makes him a liar to the rest of us as well as the provider/s that he sees.

Some of us have been doing this since a long time before you were even born. please don't think you are going to be putting one over on us, and if you continue to try to deceive the hookers that frequent this board, you are going to end up on a lot of DNS lists as is any other noob who follows your advice.  

Now go stand in the corner until you have earned the right to be giving advice instead of asking for it.

(oh for the record, my last two paragraphs were obviously NOT directed towards xyz)

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to be clear, i understand that most providers will ask for age however when i told him "dont say ure 19" VOLUNTARY it isnt the same as telling him to withholding info or deceiving a provider, and like i said before if a provider asked him for it, thats another story

and as for me being dishonest to my provider, i gave her a ballpark age, so i gave an age that was 4 years above my actual age, u wouldnt even notice if i didnt just mention it just like how i see providers and agencies say they r 20 or 21 or whatever but really they r 25, i didnt see it as a big deal and it wasnt ment to deceive anyone

i hope u dont see my replies as arguing or nagging or anything negative but rather just discussing, im having a boring day and going on TER is enjoyable for me  

 
 

Posted By: xyz23
...you were not honest with a provider about your age. I said poor advice, I think poor example applies as well. I didn't say bad advice but I probably should have. What you do effects you but telling a 19 yr old not to divulge his age to a provider is very bad advice. Seeing someone who needs to trust you in this business where we all do everything we can to be safe, discreet, and trustworthy then being dishonest by withholding his age makes her wonder what else did he lie about or not tell her. She won't be happy and therefore niether will he.    
   
 There are providers that won't care about that stuff but then remember where I said we also want to be safe in this business. The providers that won't care don't care about his safety or yours either if that's the kind you see.  
   
 As for browsing TER and looking for newbie friendly providers?. Good idea.
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GaGambler403 reads

Do you really think that parsing words is going to make us believe your intentions were honorable?  P4P might be illegal, but most of us try to be as above board and honest as possible, if you are going to become a respected member of this community, I would suggest you remember that.

My advice is to take a deep breath, sleep on what I just said, and come back tomorrow and try again. and just remember, some of us have been around this game for decades, you aren't going to outsmart us. We may occasionally give you a pass on something too trivial to make a big deal out of, but you are like the kid who tries to tell his parents the very same lies that they told at the same age. Please don't insult our intelligence by doing the same thing here.

i think this is blown way out of proportion, ive said it numerous times: i understand that  i am new and there is much more to be learned BUT i will not be called out on something i AM NOT and i am not a liar nor trying to deceive a provider

i think its because i came off as stepping on the veterans of this boards' shoe, and i will apologize for coming off as alittle arrogant but i will NOT be made to look like something i am not

i said "we both go to nyc to see providers", yes i have only seen one provider and because it was a general statement providers is plural even if it was one  

but honestly, can u really CONCLUDE that i am some dishonest deceiving monger because of provider or provider(s)? or perhaps i just rubbed u the wrong way, which i have apologized for, and this is just a means to get at me?  

Posted By: GaGambler
Do you really think that parsing words is going to make us believe your intentions were honorable?  P4P might be illegal, but most of us try to be as above board and honest as possible, if you are going to become a respected member of this community, I would suggest you remember that.

My advice is to take a deep breath, sleep on what I just said, and come back tomorrow and try again. and just remember, some of us have been around this game for decades, you aren't going to outsmart us. We may occasionally give you a pass on something too trivial to make a big deal out of, but you are like the kid who tries to tell his parents the very same lies that they told at the same age. Please don't insult our intelligence by doing the same thing here.

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GaGambler445 reads

Just like Sultry was able to peg you as arrogant after just a couple of posts.

If you really want advice, stop being so defensive and simply accept the very good advice you have been given, if you want to argue, go to the GD board where you can get all of that kind of "discussion" that you could possibly want.  and just remember, this is the members being NICE to you as the rules of this board require us to be, if you want to know how we really feel, come over to GD and we can talk about it. lol

so i stated i have only seen one provider and u claim it is a lie because ive used provider(s) plural in another statement, but why would one lie about seeing only one provider? wouldnt it benefit me that i actually have seen multiple provider(s) instead of just one? why would i lie about seeing only one? if anything wouldnt it be the opposite, lying about seeing multiple providers when ive only seen one?  

and yes im going to keep on discussing this because i wont let someone call me a liar when i am clearly not
and as for being arrogant yes i admitted that and apologized for that however being arrogant doesnt translate into being a liar...  

of course ure going to ignore logic and reason and still think im some dishonest punk but take a step back and put down the pitchfork and torches, i think if u actually use logic and reason instead of feeling that i stepped on the veterans shoes u will see that i have no reason to lie about seeing only one provider....

Posted By: GaGambler
Just like Sultry was able to peg you as arrogant after just a couple of posts.

If you really want advice, stop being so defensive and simply accept the very good advice you have been given, if you want to argue, go to the GD board where you can get all of that kind of "discussion" that you could possibly want.  and just remember, this is the members being NICE to you as the rules of this board require us to be, if you want to know how we really feel, come over to GD and we can talk about it. lol

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GaGambler571 reads

and I constantly re evaluate people as they grow here and mature, just because you started in a hole doesn't mean you have to stay there, but the first rule of getting out of a hole once you find yourself in one is to "Quit Digging"

You aren't going to make any friends here by digging in your heels and refusing to accept what we say.  I am not going to parse words here, just accept the fact that you might have started off on the wrong foot and resolve to do better and in a week or two we will have forgotten completely about your rather inauspicious beginning. OR you can remain belligerent and argumentative and prove I was right about you all along.

Posted By: GaGambler
and I constantly re evaluate people as they grow here and mature, just because you started in a hole doesn't mean you have to stay there, but the first rule of getting out of a hole once you find yourself in one is to "Quit Digging"

You aren't going to make any friends here by digging in your heels and refusing to accept what we say.  I am not going to parse words here, just accept the fact that you might have started off on the wrong foot and resolve to do better and in a week or two we will have forgotten completely about your rather inauspicious beginning. OR you can remain belligerent and argumentative and prove I was right about you all along.

so basicly ure saying u can judge and accuse me of anything because i am a noob, even if the accusations were false or at very least exaggerated which i have politely explained so, i shouldnt defend the false accusations? ok fair enoug

Short answer is that you can do whatever and MOST of the time you will be fine in terms of LE.  Mine the percentages.

But if you want to be very safe:
the odds of a well-reviewed girl being 'flipped' and running a sting on you is extremely less than the odds of running into LE with unreviewed girls on BP, etc.  
If a well-reviewed girl is 'flipped' she won't be well-reviewed for long.
LE is not going to invest the money to flip and manage a girl to go after a bunch of johns for misdemeanor arrests : if they put that effort into it they are going after the supply chain and again that is extremely rare.

Stick with well-reviewed indys for outcall and you are statistically more likely to get in a car accident or have a heart attack than run into LE trouble.
well-reviewed indy incall at a decent hotel is also statistically safe.

going incall to a non-reviewed BP ad is asking for trouble. Inviting a nonreviewed BP girl to you hotel room is asking to get robbed.

My advice for what it is worth is join p411 and start with well reviewed girls there. then branch out.

good luc

thanks it was what i was thinking but i was just very paranoid  but i guess now i can have more piece of mind :)

Posted By: PhillyDude007
Short answer is that you can do whatever and MOST of the time you will be fine in terms of LE.  Mine the percentages.  
   
 But if you want to be very safe:  
 the odds of a well-reviewed girl being 'flipped' and running a sting on you is extremely less than the odds of running into LE with unreviewed girls on BP, etc.    
 If a well-reviewed girl is 'flipped' she won't be well-reviewed for long.  
 LE is not going to invest the money to flip and manage a girl to go after a bunch of johns for misdemeanor arrests : if they put that effort into it they are going after the supply chain and again that is extremely rare.  
   
 Stick with well-reviewed indys for outcall and you are statistically more likely to get in a car accident or have a heart attack than run into LE trouble.  
 well-reviewed indy incall at a decent hotel is also statistically safe.  
   
 going incall to a non-reviewed BP ad is asking for trouble. Inviting a nonreviewed BP girl to you hotel room is asking to get robbed.  
   
 My advice for what it is worth is join p411 and start with well reviewed girls there. then branch out.  
   
 good luck  
 
 
Posted By: srpg007
I've been  an active hobbyist for about 15 years now and I can honestly say that if you take the time and do your research on TER and stick with well reviewed ladies, your LE concerns will not be a problem. Nothing is ever 100%. Be safe and have fun..  
   
 

I've been  an active hobbyist for about 15 years now and I can honestly say that if you take the time and do your research on TER and stick with well reviewed ladies, your LE concerns will not be a problem. Nothing is ever 100%. Be safe and have fun.

Feminine intuition whispers, "This entire thread, is a complete ruse".  

Thanks for the entertainment though. ;-

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