To reduce the risk as much as possible:
1. See girls with tons of reviews whose reviewers have written many reviews.
2. Contact a number of her reviewers bc by pm.
3. If you are extremely LE phobic, meet the girl in an outcall session (she comes to you) to your upscale hotel that isn't on LE's radar (i.e. you read/hear of busts at that particular location)
4. If you do do incall, try and avoid gals that use "static" incall locations (i.e. a girl that uses the same incall location over and over and over)
If you do all of the above, the odds are practically zero you will be nabbed.
I understand sometimes providers could be legit but turned to cops for leniency to entrap even if she has a ton of reviews - that's just bad luck and am curious how one could sniff that out or one can't?
Second question is if i go to escort agency or an escort with a ton of reviews can cops just bust in when we are doing our business?
you're probably gonna get busted. Yes, they can entrap you, it's called a sting. They set a girl (usually a female cop or an escort who's been turned) in a motel room, wait till you're in there with her, and you're caught. They can pretty much do whatever they want to get you.
Swim
Any way to get out of it? Does the usual asking if they are LE or ask them to strip work?
Also if the escort comes up and starts kissing then that should be clear right
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No, and in fact in some jurisdictions not only can they strip, but until very recently in Hawaii they could actually fuck and still arrest you.
Ok sooo what could one do about this assuming one is going to see an escort either from agency or heavily reviewed escort?
What you need to do is minimize those risks as elimination of them is impossible.
To reduce the risk as much as possible:
1. See girls with tons of reviews whose reviewers have written many reviews.
2. Contact a number of her reviewers bc by pm.
3. If you are extremely LE phobic, meet the girl in an outcall session (she comes to you) to your upscale hotel that isn't on LE's radar (i.e. you read/hear of busts at that particular location)
4. If you do do incall, try and avoid gals that use "static" incall locations (i.e. a girl that uses the same incall location over and over and over)
If you do all of the above, the odds are practically zero you will be nabbed.
Yes i try to do those. But is the last resort "strip and pose nude for me" my lifeline if i smell trouble? I guess it is not too crazy when the girl open door and you ask them to get naked?
If you are following all of the suggestions here, and STILL feel really queasy, this hobby proly isn't for you. No shame in that, as it is not for everyone
Wait i thought they cant bust if no money exchanged or i mentioned anything about money for sex?
False. LE can and will arrest you just for showing up. While a conviction is going to be easier to obtain when someone says "blowjob for $100," it takes very little to demonstrate intent. The "LE checks" that you hear about aren't worth a shit. You don't need to discuss money for sex in order for an arrest to happen. If you are nabbed in a sting, the burden of proof is relatively small. By simply contacting an escort and showing up, you have demonstrated intent to commit a crime. That intent is all they need to make an arrest.
Here's the deal: this is risky no matter what precautions you take. Nothing is going to be 100% foolproof, so the key is a matter of risk minimization.
I see. So i guess once i step into that door there's no escaping eh? Are there any subtle signs in terms of communication with the girl lik setting up meetings etc? I have had girls blatantly state monetaty value in call and text but they never did explicitly say the act though.
And in terms of getting busted..isnt escort legal but sex not? If what you say is true then police could just walk into all escort places and arrest them all?
Yes, LE can make arrests based on all kinds of seemingly innocuous shit. The best way to avoid it is to stick with well-reviewed ladies who screen. Chances are typically slim that you'll encounter LE (you have a much higher chance of being robbed or scammed), but there will always be some risk. There's nothing you can do to eliminate it, all you can do is try to minimize it.
And in terms of getting busted..isnt escort legal but sex not? If what you say is true then police could just walk into all escort places and arrest them all?
To reduce the risk as much as possible:
1. See girls with tons of reviews whose reviewers have written many reviews.
2. Contact a number of her reviewers bc by pm.
3. If you are extremely LE phobic, meet the girl in an outcall session (she comes to you) to your upscale hotel that isn't on LE's radar (i.e. you read/hear of busts at that particular location)
4. If you do do incall, try and avoid gals that use "static" incall locations (i.e. a girl that uses the same incall location over and over and over)
If you do all of the above, the odds are practically zero you will be nabbed.
#2 Her past clients may not know this
#3 Once you tell her your location she tells them
#4 some of the best girls out there have long standing incall locations, do we want to eliminate them. and if that location has been compromised it would be all over the news and here
Jack I am not trying to bust your chops Just making the point that others have made. That it is a RISK/REWARD thing we are all big boys and girls and we make our own choices
They don't take girls to outcall to bust a single john. They just don't. Vice goes for BIG busts, not "one offs." It just isn't in their financial interests/budgets/PR needs to do so.
They want the bust to make BIG news and as both a deterrent and to get their backs slapped by the politicians and their boss. Busting 8-10 johns in a single day's sting makes BIG headlines, busting one makes it on page 56 of the newspaper and doesn't make the local TV news at all.
Girls that have been around longer and have good reps know the importance of screening. Screening keeps them from getting busted. Newbie girls are less experienced and less likely to screen therefore a greater chance of getting busted.
Static incalls CAN be very risky, but it isn't necessarily so. No one answer fits all cases but if a girl is using the same hotel, three says a week, seeing 3-5 guys a day, you can damn well bet she is a bigger risk to you than a girl that mixes her incall all over town, varying places and dates.
They want the bust to make BIG news and as both a deterrent and to get their backs slapped by the politicians and their boss. Busting 8-10 johns in a single day's sting makes BIG headlines, busting one makes it on page 56 of the newspaper and doesn't make the local TV news at all.
Girls that have been around longer and have good reps know the importance of screening. Screening keeps them from getting busted. Newbie girls are less experienced and less likely to screen therefore a greater chance of getting busted.
Static incalls CAN be very risky, but it isn't necessarily so. No one answer fits all cases but if a girl is using the same hotel, three says a week, seeing 3-5 guys a day, you can damn well bet she is a bigger risk to you than a girl that mixes her incall all over town, varying places and dates.
I see... how do i know if the place is static unless i ask every reviewer?
Nobody in there right mind will tell you where her incall is, that's information for her and only her to share with her confirmed clients.
They want the bust to make BIG news and as both a deterrent and to get their backs slapped by the politicians and their boss. Busting 8-10 johns in a single day's sting makes BIG headlines, busting one makes it on page 56 of the newspaper and doesn't make the local TV news at all.
Girls that have been around longer and have good reps know the importance of screening. Screening keeps them from getting busted. Newbie girls are less experienced and less likely to screen therefore a greater chance of getting busted.
Static incalls CAN be very risky, but it isn't necessarily so. No one answer fits all cases but if a girl is using the same hotel, three says a week, seeing 3-5 guys a day, you can damn well bet she is a bigger risk to you than a girl that mixes her incall all over town, varying places and dates.
I see... how do i know if the place is static unless i ask every reviewer?
While they may not give you the exact location, many telegraph that the location is a static one by their reviews, ads, pm's, RO board, etc.
Some girls, in fact a VERY well known TER poster who recently retired and was a Hooktard of the precious metal variety, lol, made it well known she had a static incall.
Now, I wouldn't have hesitated to see her b/c she knew what the fk she was doing and it was apparently a remote location, but some girls have reps for having static incalls that don't have the common sense of Hooktard and those I would avoid like the plague
And know the political climate in your area. Know what the incumbent politicians views are during election cycles. Real time activity has shown up in my region on backpage and craigslist. There is a difference in "bust" and "sting" but either one will damage your reputation. Sting, they are just waiting on you to get there. Bust, they have done there home work and either have a warrant or can plea before the bar that there was just cause to violate your rights, specifically your right that they acquire a warrant.(4and 14th amendment). If you are unfortunate just remember, "my name is______ and I want an attorney", be polite and respectful. If you are just seeing an escort you might get lucky. If you over think it, you will go nuts. It is a good question, but try and relax and have fun.
But isn't escort agency legit otherwise they all br busted? So they could just drop me on the floor when i walk in without saying anything? I understand how one could guess what i am there for butbto get dropped for no reason is a bit extreme. Also, is there any clues i can get from provider she is LE? I have had legit providers who blatantly said the amount via phone or text but never the acts invovled. The only time i was paranoid was at a massage parlor where i wanted he the lady asked me 3 times 40$ for he? I decided to finish and go...
Once you and LE are in the same room, you're done. The key is not getting in that room to begin with and you do that by reading reviews here to help you greatly reduce your risk (despite the rantings of one loon here.)
Remember, whether LE ultimately gets a guilty verdict or not, it's immaterial to most johns as just the news of the bust/trial reaching the media/public will ruin many of their lives with their SO, their boss, or both
There is a big difference between arrest and conviction. LE's goal is to humiliate you or scare you off and that can be accomplished by publishing your name and photo as one of the johns busted in a sting, a judge may through the case out but the damage has already been done.
Couple more newb questions..
1. Does the type of place of incall help minimize risk? Like if someone wants to go to westin vs motel 6. Also,if the provider asks for my availability or have me pick the place is that also good sign? I guess the bottom line is if one reads the reviews and pick a gal with high reviews and recent then LE could happen almost only if the gal turns or they wanted to do a big bust on a popular gal?
Let me relate story about a STING that happened near MB South Carolina and was covered by the national media. They used stolen pics to place an ad on BP. An outside room access motel. Right there are three chances to avoid a sting. Out side access, fake Pics, No hits on phone. I understand newbies like me having questions but I made peace with three questions before I started . What if I get outed? what if I get arrested? what if I get sick? Learn to do your own research, make peace with the possible consequences. If you can not do this, you probably do not need to be in this hobby. I really am not trying to be mean or condescending so please do not take it that way. I still can hear my own heart beat before I get the door closed. Good luck and play safe.
... a quick story that happened to me about 5 years ago.
This provider placed an ad right here on TER... in the Ad boards. Cost of date was in the ad. Good pictures of a hot looking lady. Nothing out of the ordinary.
I did check out her reviews... there were 3 reviews and all looked good. Even the "Juicy" details looked OK to me. No red flags at that point.
So, I contacted this provider. We setup a date 2 days later in the morning. So far... no red flags.
That day came... went to the hotel. Never been to that hotel before, but noticed that the rooms had outside entrances. A red flag. I continued to the room, then entered the room. I barely walked 5 steps when she asked me immediately, 'Where's the money?' A big red flag. No hugs, kissing or anything... just that 'Where's the money?' question.
I responded by telling her that I have the money and not to worry. She then tells me to pull the money out of my pocket. Another red flag. I politely told her again, that I do have the money in my pocket and there was nothing to be concerned about.
Then... the 3rd time, she asked, 'Where's the money?', a big red flag and at that point, I told her that I was leaving.
She made NO attempt to stop me. I immediately went straight to my car and left the premises.
On the news later that day... there was a big bust of johns and hookers... at the same hotel that I was at in the morning!!
So, what is my lesson to you?
Learn to trust your instincts, not your dick.
Your dick (and my dick and every john's dick) is too dumb to make smart decisions.
The Forest Waits
1. Does the type of place of incall help minimize risk? Like if someone wants to go to westin vs motel 6. Also,if the provider asks for my availability or have me pick the place is that also good sign? I guess the bottom line is if one reads the reviews and pick a gal with high reviews and recent then LE could happen almost only if the gal turns or they wanted to do a big bust on a popular gal?
Wow you really got lucky because couldn't they have nailed you then and there when you said "i have the money"? I wouldn't have went there with that few reviews unless it is from Agency since they screen their girls...
Side question - what's with the "outside entrances" for motel rooms and that being a red flag/bad? I suppose LE gets easier/quicker access from the outside but couldnt they easily bust you from like a hilton or elsewhere if you are like on X floor with only one entrance though?
This provider placed an ad right here on TER... in the Ad boards. Cost of date was in the ad. Good pictures of a hot looking lady. Nothing out of the ordinary.
I did check out her reviews... there were 3 reviews and all looked good. Even the "Juicy" details looked OK to me. No red flags at that point.
So, I contacted this provider. We setup a date 2 days later in the morning. So far... no red flags.
That day came... went to the hotel. Never been to that hotel before, but noticed that the rooms had outside entrances. A red flag. I continued to the room, then entered the room. I barely walked 5 steps when she asked me immediately, 'Where's the money?' A big red flag. No hugs, kissing or anything... just that 'Where's the money?' question.
I responded by telling her that I have the money and not to worry. She then tells me to pull the money out of my pocket. Another red flag. I politely told her again, that I do have the money in my pocket and there was nothing to be concerned about.
Then... the 3rd time, she asked, 'Where's the money?', a big red flag and at that point, I told her that I was leaving.
She made NO attempt to stop me. I immediately went straight to my car and left the premises.
On the news later that day... there was a big bust of johns and hookers... at the same hotel that I was at in the morning!!
So, what is my lesson to you?
Learn to trust your instincts, not your dick.
Your dick (and my dick and every john's dick) is too dumb to make smart decisions.
The Forest Waits
1. Does the type of place of incall help minimize risk? Like if someone wants to go to westin vs motel 6. Also,if the provider asks for my availability or have me pick the place is that also good sign? I guess the bottom line is if one reads the reviews and pick a gal with high reviews and recent then LE could happen almost only if the gal turns or they wanted to do a big bust on a popular gal?
Lioli,
Yes, I was very lucky. The thing I should have known 5 years ago is that this lady only had 3 reviews. Don't get me wrong, not all ladies who have few reviews are part of a sting.
It's just that the likelihood goes up the fewer reviews that you see. This criteria is not set in stone. You have to look at other research options and do some back channeling with guys on TER and other review websites. Do NOT take it for granted that just because you see an ad placed here in TER or some reputable review website does NOT make it completely free from LE.
A friend of mine who did the hobby thing until he got married last year gave me some great pointers.
One is... TinEye -- Use it! You can eliminate a lot of ads this way. Many of these LE and scam artists reuse the same pictures over and over.
As far as hotels go, again, repeating the paragraph above, there's not one single thing that makes a hotel a "hotbed" for LE stings. Here in my city, there have been busts in high end hotels... the kind that have the doors inside... elevators... cleaning people that actually speak English. Those kind. Then you have those busts in hotels with doors that goes to the outside.
A lot of times, LE will only do stings if they get a lot calls and complaints about activity that has been going on for some time. If a touring provider is staying for 3 days... the possibility of her getting busted is very low because there will hardly be any activity for those 3 days, unless this provider is allowing drug sales and whatnot that may get the LE's attention.
If a provider stays for a short time, that doesn't allow LE enough time to setup a sting and make sure all legal avenues are accounted for before the sting is initiated. If they do... the provider is long gone.
In a nutshell... experience does come into play when it comes to dealing with hotels. You will get a lot of feedback on that sort of thing, but in the long run...
... trust your instincts.
The Forest Waits
Side question - what's with the "outside entrances" for motel rooms and that being a red flag/bad? I suppose LE gets easier/quicker access from the outside but couldnt they easily bust you from like a hilton or elsewhere if you are like on X floor with only one entrance though?
I ask myself the same questions. How do I know the provider is legit - not LE, is the woman in the picture(s), is full-service or not, etc.
Backpage and other such sites are risky -- way too risky for me.
However, using TER and reading reviews (and then checking other reviews from the reviewers!) I can feel more secure in my choice.
For me, it simply means being very discerning, patient (no matter how good it seems, I wait until I feel very comfortable before contacting a provider) and not cheap. Oh yea, seeing no one under 25!
Those are my boundaries based on my level of risk-tolerance