Fairly new to the hobby, and I came across a provider I'm interested in who points out in her ads and on her website - "No reviews allowed" ... Should this be looked at as a red flag? Not sure what the benefit of this is.
Yeah its a red flag for any new/newer hobbyist, but some girls do have legit reasons for not wanting reviews. Some are UTR or "semi-UTR", lol, for legit, personal reasons.
I see a couple of girls who have shed their reviews or have never had reviews, but I also know them well and know their backstory or I have other monger friends whose word I trust.
But for purposes of this board, see only well reviewed girls with tons of reviews whose reviewers have reviewed a lot of girls as well.
But I have seen a few "no reviews" providers over the years and they all turned out to be just fine.
Gals have different reasons to not want to be reviewed, and so many of them are fine, but you should wait until you develop your radar senses before seeing them.
There are various reasons for ladies to have a "no review" policy. Some good reasons, and some bad reasons. While it may not necessarily be a red flag for an experienced hobbyist, we always tell newbies to stick to well reviewed providers. So a no review policy is definitely a red flag for a newbie.
but in general I agree with the consensus. Newbies should avoid women with no reviews, it's simply a bad risk/reward situation, especially with so many well reviewed ladies to choose from.
"especially with so many well reviewed ladies to choose from."
Plenty of fab providers who don't do reviews. Just need to do a lil research that's all.
Out of curiosity, if someone has no reviews or asks for no reviews and the gentleman respect her wishes how would you expect the OP to conduct research? Specifically that she is who she says she is, that she is not LE, and what kind of experience he might expect. I'm genuinely interested in some specific methods.
there are ways of finding out. She had to get on those sites somehow and that usually takes screening in and of itself. For instance, I don't have reviews on here anymore by choice, but I am on P411 which is an excellent verification source. I only see gentlemen who are members of the site saving me the hassle of booking yahoos like Jackey boy here who uses a handle with no credentials which is the same as an alias and you don't know who these guys are. They could be blacklisted, rapists, etc etc, and guess what, I or any other woman would never ever know.
P411 takes the hassle out of it for you and verifies the gentleman firsthand. It's not full proof of course, but that's about all we have here in this world without hiring a PI every time you want to meet with someone (which yes, is ridiculous). This world is about 'trust' and you can't find it here on this site I'm afraid. Unless of course you're all for the 'recycling' girl effect which is so evident here. If I need to explain that as well, let me know, I'd be happy to. It's quite ridiculous if you ask me. Grown men who can't make their own decisions for themselves so they see the same girls over and over again simply because they have a 'review' and what good ol' Johnny boy says about her.
Infantile. But hey, look where you are. Do not believe everything you read on here is all I can say.
It won't tell him if she's any good! There are a lot of providers on P411 who actually have terrible reviews.
If someone wants to see a lady with no reviews, that's fine, if they are willing to gamble. I have seen many ladies without reviews, and some with a "no review" policy, but I'm not a newbie. In fact I have been doing this since long before there was such things as reviews, (or even an internet!).
If a newbie wants to take that risk, that's fine too...but they should be aware of the risk. This is why we always tell newbies to stick to "well reviewed" providers. There are exceptions to every rule, but this is still the best "rule" or guideline for newbies to follow.
That's your deal to scan if a girl is good or not. What you guys call a 'risk' is hilarious to me. You have no idea about any 'risk' until you are in a woman's shoes here. Period. You guys put so much stock in 'reviews' and 'ratings' and I'd love to know who started that gravy train. One leads, the rest follow, that's just human nature, my god, it's crazy. So who started it? Ya know, it could've backfired and gone the other way, think about it.
Going to a place called the erotic review and then being surprised or upset that the people there care about reviews is... odd
I agree with most of this, be aware of what bonafide means. The men disclose a great deal of very personal info. The women provide a website address an email and either a review from someone who has reviewed 5 women or a man with 5 oks. To me that makes it a truly awesome screening tool for women to use, but not so much for men to screen women
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...Note this is not the advice given to experienced mongers. But they don't need that kind of advice.
If you weren't on the Newbie board you wouldn't have seen that advice given unless the poster made it known he was a newbie. There are plenty of mongers that see unreviewed ladies. They however are not newbies.
You post has a famaliar ring to. mmmmmmmmm Are you sure you haven't brought this or similar points of view up before.
but from BSC hookers like yourself who want PHOTOS of their johns. Ahem.
Reviews are HOW NEWBS DO THEIR "LIL RESEARCH", or didn't you get the memo, Grandma Genius?
They dont have a network of guys, friends in the biz, advanced skills/instincts to determine if a girl w/o reviews is LE or not. They can get BUSTED with your dumbass advice.
The advice given here by the group was sound, so unless you want to go from JUST being a BSC hooker/poster and move on to a dangerous one, I would strongly suggest you refrain yourself
giving him advice, so who fucking cares what you think. You're not the God of the boards and advice any more than I am. If he has half a brain he can figure this out himself. There are amazing providers who don't need this site or any review site to do this gig the RIGHT way and without all the BC talk that goes on. So don't tell me Jack. You're a moron and thensome. Give me a break.
I care what he thinks. Who the hell are you? BSC for starters.......washed up second. And owner of what a half dozen aliases? Give it a rest.
Hi Sexy,
There are some excellent girls in my area that have had reviews pulled down by choice and are now no reviews all together. I understand their reasoning and it doesn't hurt them BUT with a real newbie I have to side with the guys. Its complicated when the guys are starting out just like with us. A newbie needs the reviews to see what to expect. It does cut the safety risk for a newbie too. It doesn't mean that girls with reviews are any better or worse than no reviews. It's only because of that newbie status. Although back in the ol days the guys talk about only the phone book for choosing! Technology has improved for the guys,the girls and LE. The newbies should use all the resources they can until they understand the in's and out's. Just my 2 cents, I am still a girls girl though!
is prove that it's ok to see providers WITHOUT reviews, newbie or not. Not all newbies need to see 'well-reviewed' providers just because he is new. I don't agree with that. I do understand what you're saying but will stick my ground on this one. I have seen a few newbies, when I had my reviews and when I had them pulled, so all I'm saying is, if he does his research (on his own, which any guy is fully capable) he can find out for himself and see who 'he' wants, not who the crowd 'thinks' he should.
Thanks for chiming in. 
There are some excellent girls in my area that have had reviews pulled down by choice and are now no reviews all together. I understand their reasoning and it doesn't hurt them BUT with a real newbie I have to side with the guys. Its complicated when the guys are starting out just like with us. A newbie needs the reviews to see what to expect. It does cut the safety risk for a newbie too. It doesn't mean that girls with reviews are any better or worse than no reviews. It's only because of that newbie status. Although back in the ol days the guys talk about only the phone book for choosing! Technology has improved for the guys,the girls and LE. The newbies should use all the resources they can until they understand the in's and out's. Just my 2 cents, I am still a girls girl though!
Do you ever stop think about how itears your constantly 'liking' your own posts? Just asking.
Thanks for chiming in.
There are some excellent girls in my area that have had reviews pulled down by choice and are now no reviews all together. I understand their reasoning and it doesn't hurt them BUT with a real newbie I have to side with the guys. Its complicated when the guys are starting out just like with us. A newbie needs the reviews to see what to expect. It does cut the safety risk for a newbie too. It doesn't mean that girls with reviews are any better or worse than no reviews. It's only because of that newbie status. Although back in the ol days the guys talk about only the phone book for choosing! Technology has improved for the guys,the girls and LE. The newbies should use all the resources they can until they understand the in's and out's. Just my 2 cents, I am still a girls girl though!
For newbies, we always stay away from providers with no reviews, but if your interested in someone who has a good number of reviews, go ahead. However, if her latest review is more than a couple years ago, I'd day move on.
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You know I like you Swim, but you know as well as I, there are awesome providers even for Newbies who are verified and amazing at what they do. That shouldn't dissuade anyone from seeing them. They just have to educate themselves into what they're doing here in this world, that's all. Takes a lil more work.
should ONLY SEE well reviewed providers who have reviews from established reviewers for the reasons of reliability.
A newbie has limited tools available to do his own research. For example, there are lots of hot looking girls on EROS or other escort mall sites, including P411. However, how is a newbie to know if the girl will give him the experience he is looking for? Without being able to read reviews, how will he know?
Anybody can say they are GFE, an elite courtesan, or whatever. A newbie has no hobby buddies to ask for UTR ladies in his area.
Would you buy a car based strictly on appearance or would you want to take it for a test drive? There are no reviews of this make/model in any magazines or online.
There are sites like P411 who take the questions out for you guys. Providers are NOT allowed on that site without being verified themselves. It took me over 6 months when I started to get on their site is my point. They don't just let anyone on there, it's not Eros and it's not Slixa or GLS or any of the other malls or even here on TER. It's a verification service and should be looked at differently all together.
Sorry, I will still disagree and come on, you know this by now when I post, I pose the 'argument', that's what I do. I have a good one here I believe. And those who understand p411 and what it does etc etc and how a 'newbie' can benefit many ways from the site whether a girl has reviews or not is unquestionable.
It's all relative and how you look at it. I had a newbie reach out to me today actually, he was verified and everything thru the site with one reference. Easy as pie. I don't understand the problem here. It happens more than you think. He trusts the site like I do that the women on it are legit just as the guys getting verified by the owners. Period.
There are only so many trusted sites in this world. One only for me at this rate. Without it, I'm done.
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No shock there. And how convenient it is for you to post that newbie guys don't need to see reviews since you threw yours away?
The NB isn't here to help you with your business model. Its to help newbs enjoy and stay safe in the hobby. Your advice is HORRENDOUS. You obviously have regrets about dumping out of your reviews so instead of bitching about it here, go tell your therapist(s), if anymore will see you.
You obviously have no regard for the guys who lurk and seek info on this board. They need REAL info, from REAL experienced people who have THEIR best interest at heart so they don't get busted, so they feel the girl is a right match for them, so they don't get ripped off or meet up with a BSC type like yourself. P411 DOES NOT MEET ALL THOSE NEEDS dear.
Removing TER form the layers of protection a new guy needs is asinine and potentially life altering for them. And further more, being new, most will have never heard of P411 so TER with its wealth of info, experienced p4p guys/girls, bc communication, database, etc is the logical spot for them to start and to learn.
There is a reason NO ONE has come running to your defense here. Not the hard core guys, not the calmer dudes, not the board mod/host, not the women. NOBODY.
Before you open your pie hole again and make a further ass of yourself here, stop for ONE second, if capable, and think about the above fact and why that may be, ESPECIALLY for someone like yourself who hasn't been in the TER style p4p business all that long.
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I offer a different opinion. Of course no one is going to come to my defense lol. It's a different viewpoint VERY different than yours but valid nonetheless.
And pleasant name calling as usual. You reek 'King' of women haters all over this place. Sure hope you don't have a daughter and kiss her with that mouth, good christ. Scary moment for us mothers of the world. Very, very scary.
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Cos you're indefensible.
And pleasant name calling as usual. You reek 'King' of women haters all over this place. Sure hope you don't have a daughter and kiss her with that mouth, good christ. Scary moment for us mothers of the world. Very, very scary.
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