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The unholy trinity of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are as much
BreakerMorant 906 reads
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bullies as you dare to accuse the Holy Father and state of Israel of. Cases in point:

(1) Health Care (HC) bill was passed when a full 75 percent of the US population were against it's passage. The HC Bill was passed despite bi-partisanship opposition of Republicans and Democrats. THis HC Bill will make crimminals of those who refuse to abide with government mandates.

(2) Pelosi and other congressmen and congresswomen have put American citizens in jail because they dare to speak forcefully against their legislative actions. Dissent is discouraged and will be acted upon with incarceration.

(3) This unholy trinity has placed 51 percent under the control of the Federal government. Our liberities are eroding.

(4) A full 47 percent of American households do not pay taxes. This means 53 percent of us have to support freeloaders. This country was founded on the principle no taxation without representation. Under Obama,Pelosi and Reid it's no taxation, because will make the other person pay for them.

(5) Finally, Israel is a Democracy where people are free. The countries surrounding them have been totalatarian governments. In particular, the government of Iran that has vowed the demise of Israel are one of the greatest violators of human rights in the world. Protestors are shot in the street, those of varying different faiths have been imprisoned. Dissent is discouraged from a barrel of a gun.....and guess who the unholy trinity are supporting. Yep, that is right, it is not Israel. Like attracts like.



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I think it's time for a diplomatic alliance between the State of Israel and The Holy See.  

For those of you not in the  know, the
Holy See is  the name of the Vatican when it acts in it's capacity as a sovereign and independent state.  All 60 acres of it, with all the great artwork and that long-rumored secret cache of the world's finest pornography. And all the child abusers and pedophiles. It's flag is very interesting looking, but that's a personal aesthetic.

Yeah, I know some are going to be skeptical.  
Dubious even. Some will pooh-pooh the entire idea, and a few will look askance at this proposal. A small number of overimaginative readers will accuse me of Guess What.  But I think this here idea is very sound fundamentally, despite a surface appearance of being a logical non-starter.

My loyal readers know that i'm a guy who likes to help out, so...

Let's see what are the points of similarity between these two world-class political entities:

1, each commands fanatical loyalty from its adherents, who will seemingly stop at little to advance the goals of each;

2. each seems absolutely incapable of even theoretically conceiving of any possible situation where it might be even microscopically in the wrong, for even a billionth of a nanosecond;

3. each tolerates absolutely no criticism, no matter how mild that criticism might be, no matter how well-intended, no matter how apologetically phrased and couched, from any source, no matter how friendly and supportive that source has been in  the past, at any time, for any reason, ever.  You are 100% with them 100% of the time, or you are permanently consigned to the bottom of a very long, very detailed and ever-growing shitlist;

4. each has violated every ideal and standard which it has ever professed and claimed to believe in, to advocate and to act upon. And each has shamelessly denied doing so seemingly from time immemorial;

5. each  has an irrationally outsized ideas of its importance to the world at large and to the history of humanity;

6. each claims, however clumsily, some sort of divine inspiration if not justification for it's existence. Each preys upon the fear and ignorance of it's followers.  It is questionable if, in the absence of said fears and ignorance, either could long survive in a world where each serves, like Reggie Jackson's baseball glove,  little if any obvious function;

7. each is headed by one of the most egregiously offensive carbon-based life forms currently walking the earth, PM Bibi and  Vicar of Christ Benedict XVI.  The former is a self-righteous criminal  possessed of zero loyalty and even less tact masquerading as a victim [though we do conceed he is at all time impeccably groomed], the latter a reluctant one-time adolescent Nazi taken to defending pedophilia and wearing lavish vestments of outlandish color combinations;

8. each entity has inflicted great suffering upon those unfortunate to enough to oppose  them, and sadder yet,  probably even greater damage upon those who support them;

9. each has badly mistreated a population subjected to it's  tender mercies and benign gaze - the Israelis have a lot to answer for re the "defenseless" Pallys, and how many RCs are there wandering the world scarred and wounded in both body and mind?  And then of course  there are the smooth-cheeked altar boys...and the castrati...and the slow-learners in Catholic school, and...

10. the leaders of each will find it difficult to visit the UK anytime soon, as the UK practice  of universal legal jurisdiction potentially make both Bibi and Benedict XVI legally at risk for the alleged crimes committed by the polity each leads.  I must confess, it's not nice to mock the elderly, but the image of a tired old Benedict having to flee to the nearest church, barely ahead of the Crown Attorney and the arrest warrant, and try to claim Sanctuary for the wrongdoings of the wonderful shepards of his RC flock is more amusing than I can stand [as well as being great schadenfreude];

11. each finds friends and good press to be in  painfully short supply these days, [I can't imagine why] and each has an incredible knack for alienating the damaging the interests of the few friends it manages to retain [against all odds and reason no less], and as beggars can't be choosers, and as we are familiar with "strange bedfellows' thing...

I cannot imagine why it's taking so long for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Vatican Curia/Secretariat of State to read this and  follow my sage and generous counsel.



So, what are the problems?  What's keeping this from coming to fruition?

Traditionally, there has been very poor relations between Israel and  the Vatican.  They recognized each other diplomatically only in 1994 [with the USA, match, playing a hugh role of behalf of one side. Bonus points if you can guess which one].

The history of anti-Semitism atributed to and believed to be prompted by some of the teachings of Xtainity is no doubt a stumbling block, and as the RC church is the oldest and largest institutionalized Xtain myth community, this cannot be overlooked by Israel or by the Jewish people more generally in the diaspora.

The painful ambiguity of Pius XII during the Holocaust, and the subsequent assistance rendered by the RC church, witting or otherwise,  to accused war criminals in headlong flight from justice  at the end of WWII will be difficult to paper over.

Still, enemies made alliances of convenience all the time [just think of one particular non-aggression agreement prior to WWII], yesterdays friends become tomorrow's enemies, and vice versa.  Politics is a profession for there tactically flexible, and the politics of foreign policy even more so.  Just ask Cardinal Richelieu the next time you attend a seance. I'm sure he'll be happy to clue you in re that point about strange bedfellows [not that that the Cardinal would ever have violated his vow of chastity, or poverty for that matter].

This here move makes great sense, the logic undergirding it is impeccable, and it's totally doable.

The idea merely waits to be brought into existence by the world-class statesmen and moral leaders each polity produces with such metronomic regularity.   I eagerly await hte bold strokes necessary to make this a reality.

And remember where you heard it first.







no one else in the world thinks about.

    Having been caught in a cross fire today for being both likudist and anti-Israel, I think I'll stay out of this one.

DoctorZGonzo1284 reads

... has proven himself to be an unmitigated ant-Semite at this point, and I am unwilling to give him any more of my time.

So you two guys would be in agreement except for that little problem.

This is starting to get interesting.

DoctorZGonzo923 reads

Xiaominglover1 thinks anyone who doesn't consider Israel to be Evil Incarnate is a Likudist, or even worse... !!!~!GASP!~!! a Jew! (gezuntheit!)

A long time and many hundreds of arguments ago, I commented that Xiao had convinced me he wasn;t an anti-Semite.

In those days, I was still giving people the benefit of the doubt, mostly because even my closest friends used terms like "I Jewed him down on the price" or "the goose-stepping Israeli army" -- so if my closest friends can say this and not give me a sense they are jew haters, i felt i should be more ... yielding.

But not anymore. Especially not after Xiao came back from his self-imposed (and well received by everyone else) sabbatical from posting, when his attitude towards all things Israel sstarted becoming more and more infused with little snide "aphorisms" comparing Israels parliament with Nazi Germany, using the word pedophile to describe the prime minister, etc etc you've all read his comments.

no marikod, i do not believe you are anti-Semitic. and one day, perhaps we will have that rational dialog exchange of perspectives on the middle east.

But you still need to walk a mile in my shoes (so to speak). first hand experiences do much to cement a persons resolve, and i've had plenty, including surviving TWO terrorist attacks. Once in 1964 (yes, read that correctly. nineteen sixty four. three years prior to Israel's liberation of Jerusalem, Samaria and Judea) and once again in 1971, an attack on a kibbutz day care center that killed 18 children and wounded 30 others.

There are three sides to every story, marikod, the third side being the unvarnished objective truth.

that third side has often been muddied and tainted by a prejudice against Jews that has fomented for thousands of years, and at one time was turned into a worldwide crusade by the Catholic Church. That same Catholic Church the repulsive XiaoMing seems to despise almost as much as Israel and the Jewish people. So why not combine them into a single entity so he can hate them both simultaneously.

you're just not fully informed as to the real facts, or i think you might be less inclined to look askance at israels efforts to survive in a world that wishes only for their annihilation.

Thanks for reading.

Xia may not be an Anti-Semite.
He could just be an ordinary, run-of-the-mill troll.

GaGambler1208 reads

but calling him "ordinary" will undoubtably piss him off to no end. lmao.

Personally, I think he is just an ordinary, run of the mill anti semite, and I use terms like "Jew him down" all the time. rofl

bullies as you dare to accuse the Holy Father and state of Israel of. Cases in point:

(1) Health Care (HC) bill was passed when a full 75 percent of the US population were against it's passage. The HC Bill was passed despite bi-partisanship opposition of Republicans and Democrats. THis HC Bill will make crimminals of those who refuse to abide with government mandates.

(2) Pelosi and other congressmen and congresswomen have put American citizens in jail because they dare to speak forcefully against their legislative actions. Dissent is discouraged and will be acted upon with incarceration.

(3) This unholy trinity has placed 51 percent under the control of the Federal government. Our liberities are eroding.

(4) A full 47 percent of American households do not pay taxes. This means 53 percent of us have to support freeloaders. This country was founded on the principle no taxation without representation. Under Obama,Pelosi and Reid it's no taxation, because will make the other person pay for them.

(5) Finally, Israel is a Democracy where people are free. The countries surrounding them have been totalatarian governments. In particular, the government of Iran that has vowed the demise of Israel are one of the greatest violators of human rights in the world. Protestors are shot in the street, those of varying different faiths have been imprisoned. Dissent is discouraged from a barrel of a gun.....and guess who the unholy trinity are supporting. Yep, that is right, it is not Israel. Like attracts like.



-- Modified on 4/8/2010 11:25:17 PM

In Breaker's world, 52% being in favor of the HCR bill, or thinking it didn't go far enough translates into 75% opposition. In Breaker's world cutting someone's gas line to their house in the hope that their home would explode qualifies as "dissent". In Breaker's world Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, forgetting that Israel destroyed the last democracy in the Middle East in Lebanon. But I do find it amusing that Breaker didn't bother to call Iraq a democracy. I hope he doesn't have the poor taste to rant about being pro-life when he sees a provider.


     What in the world are you talking about?

        Are you forgetting that Hezbollah crossed the border, killed and captured Israeli soldiers while it shot missiles at Israeli positions, and then refused to release the captured soldiers? That Israel then invaded to hit the Hezbollah positions, not the Lebanese Army.

       For the next month Hezbollah fired 100 rockets a day into Israel and engaged in battles with the IDF. A U.S. post –war review determined Hezbollah fought better and more professionally than any of the Arab armies in the prior Arab wars against Israel and, incredibly, better than the Iraqi Army fought against the United States. So this was not a few Hamas terrorists crossing the border and killing Jews but a modern army using Lebanon at its base.

       Yes, Israel destroyed a lot of the infrastructure in Lebanon but what choice did it have?

       But Lebanon’s parliamentary democracy continued after the war. In 2008 Hezbollah –not Israel – made an attack on the democracy by seizing West Beirut. Now there is some kind of power sharing arrangement that I really have not kept track of.  But to the extent that it changes the old democracy, that is the result of Hezbollah’s efforts, not Israel.


       So I have no idea what you are talking about when you say “Israel destroyed democracy in Lebanon,” except that you are starting to make Xia look increasingly reasonable.

GaGambler1063 reads

and even though I am "pro choice" myself, WTF does being pro life have to do with seeing a provider?

Marikod is also absoulutely correct about Lebanon, except where he stretches things a little by stating that you make Xiao look reasonable in comparison. Not even Tall&Dim could make Xiao look reasonable where it comes to anything regarding Israel.lmao

Priapus53727 reads

FIVE years of anti-zionist posts here ?!-----If anything, that shows the dude has a "mental kink". Doc G should realize that & not work up a sweat about him. At first, his posts angered me, then I felt boredom toward his screeds, now I merely feel pity toward the guy. I DO hope TER gets a movie discussion board so he can stop "riding his hobby horse".

As for Willy's statement on abortion, HUH ?! WW & I are on the same page a great deal of the time
but sometimes I can't figure out his fucking outlandish statements----------LMAO !

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Pria, a few providers I've seen (and not reviewed yet) had mentioned this to me. That they've had clients who went into hysterics about the abortion issue. Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

Xia's posts can get tough to read since he only talks about one topic, but at least it's the best writter on the board.

Priapus531811 reads

& getting loaded with them, to talk about abortion. We talk about more pleasant topics-----;)

Speaking of "self awareness" , XIAO has the best posts on the board ?!----------LMFAO !

Btw, it's : "at least he's the best WRITER on the board".



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lol, Pria. Yeh, I have this strange habit lately of finding lefty activist types to hobby with. Politics always comes up. I guess I just dig people with strong opinions.

when he states Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing, is responsible for pedophiles on the internet, likens the Israeli parliament to the Nazi SS, etc. etc. etc. you cannot claim he is more '(mis)interpreting facts not grossly misstating them.'

He is a propaganda machine. Or more simply, a troll.

and liken their parliament to the Nazi SS?

       Boy, you really are off on the Knesset - they can't get anything done there are so many parties. I can't even remember the last time any one party had a amjority of seats.

The SS were much more efficient.

There's plenty even more outrageous statements where those came from. And not as if he's only done it once. It became a regular broken record.

And I certainly hope your little attempt at humor was not suggesting the only difference between the Knesset and Nazis is mere efficiency.

BTW, one party has never had an absolute majority of seats, which is why you can't remember it.

no, zisk has misremenber one point - he's refering to my comment that "you can't spell M-O-S-S-A-D  without SS."  Which allowed him to berate me for my supposed lack of awareness of transliteration.

Yes, i have indeed referred to Israeli ethnic cleansing, usually but not exlusively when citing or quoting others.  Which prompted a pained response from dncphil.  I told our capezio-wearing friend that i'll settle for etnnic tyding-up or ethnic straightening-up if he realy though the charge to be exaggerated.

is not completely off the wall and we might as well include the CIA in that group of due process challenged agencies, but at least that makes some degree of sense.

-- Modified on 4/10/2010 2:08:30 PM

Unfortunately for you, after a certain point you can not go back and edit them to cover your tracks, which you have often done in the past when I've turned a recent post of your own against you.

A quick search turned up this gem from you:
**you can't spell Knessett without "SS"**

There were other occasions where you pulled the tired stunt of typing out KneSSett by capitalizing the ss' to emphasize your tortured attempt to connect the Israeli parliament to the Nazi SS.

BTW, your most recent usage of claiming Israel engages in "ethnic cleansing" (as determined by the search button) was not citing or quoting anyone else. Your 'usually but not exclusively' disclaimer on this point is quite weak. You are still doing it.

But what do you expect from a troll?

So, what were you doing all these months when you were gone?  i can't imagine that you were content merely with lurking?

Your disposition is as charming as ever - your ire is indeed a north star by which we can all chart our posting compass.  Even ed2000 seems lamb-like in disposition by comparison.

Most recent?  I'n surprised you are content with a sample when there is an entire universe to examine.

Also glad to see that my humble contributions continue to inspire you to such prodigous efforts.  LMAO

But why not grasp  the nettle?  Tell us why the ethnic cleansing thing is incorrect.


Riddle me this, zisk : why does my "tired stunt" arouse such ire?  Given that it's simply a tired stunt.  I'd think a man of your intellect, as well as a fellow Right Wing Sex Addict, would try to bag bigger game.  Instead you are content to pound  your chest and boast at how well you swat flies?



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But what do you expect from a troll?
--it is what I expect from a troll like you. My problem was that when I first came to p&r I took you to be an honest poster who was just way off on the facts, and engaged in distortions due to just some sort of personal bias. It took me far too long to realize you were trolling.

So, what were you doing all these months when you were gone?  
--all kinds of things, including mourning the death of a family member. But also working, dating, watching basketball, reading, having sex, eating, driving, traveling, etc. etc. etc.

i can't imagine that you were content merely with lurking?
--That's written as a declarative statement, yet ends with a question mark. In any event, while I was away I was not lurking. I was indeed away. From the hobby and here.

Your disposition is as charming as ever - your ire is indeed a north star by which we can all chart our posting compass.  Even ed2000 seems lamb-like in disposition by comparison.
--no question, so no response needed.

Most recent?  I'n surprised you are content with a sample when there is an entire universe to examine.
--Of course the search came back with multiple hits. I just took the most recent. I have no desire to read more of your old posts all over again.

Also glad to see that my humble contributions continue to inspire you to such prodigous efforts.  LMAO

But why not grasp  the nettle?  Tell us why the ethnic cleansing thing is incorrect.
--I might as well try to tell you why the moon is not really made of cheese. If you weren't insistent on trolling, you wouldn't even use such a ridiculous term in this context.


Riddle me this, zisk : why does my "tired stunt" arouse such ire?  Given that it's simply a tired stunt.  I'd think a man of your intellect, as well as a fellow Right Wing Sex Addict, would try to bag bigger game.  Instead you are content to pound  your chest and boast at how well you swat flies?
--I find trolling annoying. And its all over the boards. You start multiple new threads, and jump into existing threads that have nothing to do with Israel at all and try to highjack it with your trolling. Trolling gets on my nerves. Its just one of my many shortcomings I suppose but I'm sure you've noticed how many of your troll posts I haven't commented on since I've been back. And your "tired stunt" began back when I used to try to take you seriously so it was especially irksome since, as you used to boast, would make such statements simply in (an often futile) attempt to get a reaction out of me. The signs of trolling were there early on, and I missed it initially.
But thanks for reminding me of our mutual induction into the RWSA club. I never did get my jacket.

we have mixed emotions about being out from under your beneficent gaze and no longer being considered worthy of your rapier-like ripostes!

i'm sure that there is no lack of other posters who can command your interest.

you look increasingly reasonable. And that means GaGambler's post was on the money as well, which means we can't count it in his career "wrong" post totals which is a shame as he was fast approaching Babe Ruth until his recent slump of strangely accurate posts.


See how much trouble you cause.

Breaker, how over-the-top can you get with this one?

Remind me to suspend my usual lame attempts at satire.  How you think this warrants a diversion into the foibles and political questionableness of Pelosi, Reid  and/or POTUS Obama escapes me.  As does more than a few of the points you attempt to make.

How you are able to compare the workings of a liberal-democratic representative gov't, even when those workings are incorrect and produced flawed policy, to the foibles of two of the most flawed institutions on God's good earth really floors me.

Last week i introduced you to "Panglossian."  This week i want you to Google, if you would be so good "Jonathan Swift"  and his famous essay "A Modest Proposal..."  This used to be taught in American high schools for generations.  Alas, no longer; PC multiculturalism now dictates that students read Alice Walker and Rigoberto Menchu and a raft of other discontented, third world ethnic identity politics types.  Sure glad I finished my formal education before that nonsense took hold of American pedagogy.

This post, as many of my contributions are these days, was just an exercise, written primarily for my own pleasure. I suspect most of the clicks-on were accidental or perfunctory, with just a quick scan through the first few paragraphs.
 
I note no one attmpted to take issue any of the points i made, no matter how burlesqued and  deliberately over-the-top they were. No surprise there.  But the usual abuse-fest was in evidence and no doubt engaged in by the usual suspects with some relish. What is amusing is that your response was the closest to substance that i could find in this entire benighted thread.  Real big sigh.


The Holy Father?  Are you the last guy in the USA employing that phrase? Nowhere do i accuse him of being a bully.  Bullying would be a vast improvement with regard to some of  the other things that might be laid at the feet of The Vicar of Christ.

You are free to view Bibi and Israel as a friend of the USA.  I happen not to share that view.

given that my contributions are of so little merit. Given that i'm a troll in denail about being an anti-semite! i suspect that there's a lot of unused space in many of those heads.

Who did you guys attack for two months while i was gone?  TJ?

WW4U, TY for a kind word, but it's 'writer' not 'writter' [as the typo=king, i do sympathise]and remember that PM i sent you.

Yes, I'll happily abandon the zionists, the pallys, AIPAC and the rest of that hyrda-headesd monster for a year and BS about movies, when that becomes an option.  A year later, i'll return, and not a thing will have changed.

zisk, i wondered what had happened to you, i feared the worst. Glad, sort of, that you are still with us, and apparently well.

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