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A bit of clarification...
Epsilon_Eridani 636 reads
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I NEVER said that reviews are worthless. A better way of saying is that reviews must be taken with a "grain of salt" meaning that all reviews are subjective in nature. (some people will go far as saying that anything said in TER is "fictional"... yea, whatever)

One guy might give a lady a '6', but I might give that same lady an '8'. Why? Personalities, perception, performance, attitude and other factors play into that review.  

So, your point about having better information is not a strong argument because how does one GET better information? It's not like we can look up Consumer Reports and get a rating on a provider. Not going to happen.
This ignores the general point that having better information is better.  
Of course, always, OurMMV. If what you say were generally true, all reviews here would be worthless.  I don't agree with that.  
I was referring to the FIRST review that sets up that provider's profile. The length of time is there. You are correct that subsequent reviews do not SHOW the length of time of each individual review, except for the very first one.  

However, when you do the actual review of that provider, there is a field for length and amount, but those are NOT shown to anyone, including VIPs.  

If someone wants to mention the amount of time, they can do that in the review, but are NOT permitted to reveal how much they paid in that review. I am fairly certain that it's against the rules. F.Y.I., I am VIP myself as well.
Yes, I mentioned the "date of last visit" that is already there. This response confuses it with what I am asking to be added, "length of session". No, length is not there.  I am VIP.  If you are, please go read a review and check this.
Yes, you are correct that some of those fields that WE filled in during our review process will NOT show up while one is reading your review of a provider. Yes, some of the fields that WE put in there do NOT automatically update that provider's PROFILE. See the difference? It's up to the provider to contact TER admins to have THEIR profiles updated. Yes, that's the rule that TER put in a long time ago.  

That's why you will see guys complain about the providers ages in the Profile. Well, if that provider has something like 8 pages of reviews... that may go back 10 years. That provider may have been 25 when she started out, but now she's 35, but never bothered to update HER profile after all of those years. It's the provider's responsibility to update her own profile, not the hobbyist. The only time the hobbyist has anything to do with her profile is the initial setup of her profile for the very first time in TER. After that... it's the provider's job to update her stuff.

Make sense?
Above the line are shown in the list of reviews, below the line within the individual review.
If there are other fields, they are hidden from mere VIPs.
When you compose a review, you have to go through all the Profile fields also, but these are not included in your posted review and do not (seem to) update the values shown in the provider's Profile.

Reviews often talk about rushed / not rushed / ran over  and similar time issues.  
It would help a lot to know how long a session was booked; rushing of a hHr seems different somehow than rushing a full hour or longer session.  

Also it would help to find out that a girl who only advertizes half and full hours will book for longer.

This should be a field for the individual review along with rating numbers and right next to "date of last visit".

I don't think the $ paid should be a field, for good reasons already discussed in other threads.  

Thank you

Epsilon_Eridani766 reads

Posted By: Valida
Reviews often talk about rushed / not rushed / ran over  and similar time issues.  
It would help a lot to know how long a session was booked; rushing of a hHr seems different somehow than rushing a full hour or longer session.
you and I may have booked a 2 hour session with the same provider but we will have totally different perspectives on the session. she may have rushed you, but not me. why? you may have been late, but did not mention that in the review. maybe, she really did have a great time with me and did not pay any attention to the time. yes, that has happened to me a number of times. then you have providers that are clock managers who no matter how good the session is, will end that session on the agreed time.  
Posted By: Valida
 
Also it would help to find out that a girl who only advertizes half and full hours will book for longer.
that's not necessary. just read her ads and/or her website. no need to add yet another criteria that won't help the search process.
Posted By: Valida
 
This should be a field for the individual review along with rating numbers and right next to "date of last visit".
that's already there. if you're a VIP, you will see the review numbers and the month/year of that session. if you're not VIP, you won't see individual review numbers, only the overall scores of all reviews of that provider.
Posted By: Valida
 
I don't think the $ paid should be a field, for good reasons already discussed in other threads.
only VIPs see it. non-VIPs can't see the amount. if a provider has more than a few pages of reviews, more than likely that her rates are different from that very first review which does show the amount paid. that's why it's important to READ the ad and/or go to HER website for the latest rates. do NOT assume

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
 
Posted By: Valida
Reviews often talk about rushed / not rushed / ran over  and similar time issues.    
 It would help a lot to know how long a session was booked; rushing of a hHr seems different somehow than rushing a full hour or longer session.
 you and I may have booked a 2 hour session with the same provider but we will have totally different perspectives on the session. she may have rushed you, but not me. why? you may have been late, but did not mention that in the review. maybe, she really did have a great time with me and did not pay any attention to the time. yes, that has happened to me a number of times. then you have providers that are clock managers who no matter how good the session is, will end that session on the agreed time.  
 
This ignores the general point that having better information is better.  
Of course, always, OurMMV.  

If what you say were generally true, all reviews here would be worthless.  I don't agree with that.

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
 
Posted By: Valida
 
 Also it would help to find out that a girl who only advertizes half and full hours will book for longer.
 that's not necessary. just read her ads and/or her website. no need to add yet another criteria that won't help the search process.
 
This ignores the fact that providers often do not list all their available session lengths.

This response also confounds this information with searching.  Do searches actually find info that is in individual reviews, or only in the data-sheet of her profile?  I thought only the profile, and if that's so there would be no effect whatsoever on searches.  If I was wrong, simply leaving the field blank will result in no effect whatsoever on searches.  What is your concern?
   

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
 
Posted By: Valida
 
 This should be a field for the individual review along with rating numbers and right next to "date of last visit".
 
 that's already there. if you're a VIP, you will see the review numbers and the month/year of that session. if you're not VIP, you won't see individual review numbers, only the overall scores of all reviews of that provider.
Yes, I mentioned the "date of last visit" that is already there. This response confuses it with what I am asking to be added, "length of session".
No, length is not there.  I am VIP.  If you are, please go read a review and check this.
Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
 
Posted By: Valida
   
 I don't think the $ paid should be a field, for good reasons already discussed in other threads.
 
 only VIPs see it. non-VIPs can't see the amount. if a provider has more than a few pages of reviews, more than likely that her rates are different from that very first review which does show the amount paid. that's why it's important to READ the ad and/or go to HER website for the latest rates. do NOT assume!  
 
This is mistaken.  There are profile fields for offered service/length/price, but there are no such fields in individual reviews  (a few reviewers include this in the text, not many).  

OK, I was not lawyerly-precise about "the $ paid" but in context, and I now tell you, it referred to new fields within the individual review -- what you get when you click the big View button -- not in her Profile.  I advocate a "length of session" (booked) field; I do not advocate a "price paid for this session" field.

Just for your information, since there seems to be some confusion,  
the fields in an individual review are these:
Reviewer
Date
Appearance (#)
Performance (#)
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appearance
performance
attitude
atmosphere
general details
The Juicy Details

Above the line are shown in the list of reviews, below the line within the individual review.
If there are other fields, they are hidden from mere VIPs.
When you compose a review, you have to go through all the Profile fields also, but these are not included in your posted review and do not (seem to) update the values shown in the provider's Profile.  

My proposal is to add a field for "length of reviewed session" with maybe a shortened title when shown in the review.  

I heartily agree that one should not assume!  I hope that others will apply your principle to discussion of the proposal at hand

Epsilon_Eridani637 reads

I NEVER said that reviews are worthless. A better way of saying is that reviews must be taken with a "grain of salt" meaning that all reviews are subjective in nature. (some people will go far as saying that anything said in TER is "fictional"... yea, whatever)

One guy might give a lady a '6', but I might give that same lady an '8'. Why? Personalities, perception, performance, attitude and other factors play into that review.  

So, your point about having better information is not a strong argument because how does one GET better information? It's not like we can look up Consumer Reports and get a rating on a provider. Not going to happen.

This ignores the general point that having better information is better.  
Of course, always, OurMMV. If what you say were generally true, all reviews here would be worthless.  I don't agree with that.  
I was referring to the FIRST review that sets up that provider's profile. The length of time is there. You are correct that subsequent reviews do not SHOW the length of time of each individual review, except for the very first one.  

However, when you do the actual review of that provider, there is a field for length and amount, but those are NOT shown to anyone, including VIPs.  

If someone wants to mention the amount of time, they can do that in the review, but are NOT permitted to reveal how much they paid in that review. I am fairly certain that it's against the rules. F.Y.I., I am VIP myself as well.

Yes, I mentioned the "date of last visit" that is already there. This response confuses it with what I am asking to be added, "length of session". No, length is not there.  I am VIP.  If you are, please go read a review and check this.
Yes, you are correct that some of those fields that WE filled in during our review process will NOT show up while one is reading your review of a provider. Yes, some of the fields that WE put in there do NOT automatically update that provider's PROFILE. See the difference? It's up to the provider to contact TER admins to have THEIR profiles updated. Yes, that's the rule that TER put in a long time ago.  

That's why you will see guys complain about the providers ages in the Profile. Well, if that provider has something like 8 pages of reviews... that may go back 10 years. That provider may have been 25 when she started out, but now she's 35, but never bothered to update HER profile after all of those years. It's the provider's responsibility to update her own profile, not the hobbyist. The only time the hobbyist has anything to do with her profile is the initial setup of her profile for the very first time in TER. After that... it's the provider's job to update her stuff.

Make sense?

Above the line are shown in the list of reviews, below the line within the individual review.
If there are other fields, they are hidden from mere VIPs.
When you compose a review, you have to go through all the Profile fields also, but these are not included in your posted review and do not (seem to) update the values shown in the provider's Profile.

...on a providers profile is so anyone can get her profile information corrected or up to date. Simple things can be done using the report a problem button. More complex things require using "contact us". All you need is supporting evidence. I have done many problem reports. I've corrected a providers age. All you need is evidence. TER gives 2 days of VIP free for reporting problems.

Epsilon_Eridani578 reads

how did you correct a provider's age? did you ask her to show you her drivers license?

evidence of proof of age? you would need a copy of a state issued ID to show proof of age. you honestly think that the "word of a provider" is sufficient evidence? you think the "word of a hobbyist" is sufficient evidence? Doubtful on both counts.

Posted By: xyz23
...on a providers profile is so anyone can get her profile information corrected or up to date. Simple things can be done using the report a problem button. More complex things require using "contact us". All you need is supporting evidence. I have done many problem reports. I've corrected a providers age. All you need is evidence. TER gives 2 days of VIP free for reporting problems.

...You just want to argue.  

Mongers can and do file problem reports regularly. Often the evidence is here on the board. Regarding the age I had changed she was clearly older than her TER profile stated. I reported it with supporting evidence. They changed it. There are ways to get things done. Your adversarial attitude isn't among them.

They try to bring you down to their level of incompetence then beat you with experience.

Of course, you are correct and old epsi is talking through his ass again. (or maybe he's still talking to trees and waiting for the forest to answer) he keeps posting like he's a TER expert but the only thing he figured out how to do on TER is repeatedly changing his handles and aliases.

I have literally years of VIP just from problem reports, and more than a couple were for age. Evidence is not hard to find in most cases.

Epsilon_Eridani583 reads

... arguing with you is pointless. so, why don't you take your cyberbullying elsewhere?

Posted By: perfectstorm
Re: It's not worth arguing with idiots.

Epsilon_Eridani519 reads

a lot of folks know that you're a moron, thanks for pointing that out to us.

Posted By: perfectstorm
Re: Once a moron, always a moron.

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani

 So, your point about having better information is not a strong argument because how does one GET better information? It's not like we can look up Consumer Reports and get a rating on a provider. Not going to happen.  
   
WE are giving each other better information, right here on TER.  
We each one of us get that information by personal experience of a provider.
We each give that information by writing reviews.
What's so hard to understand about that?

Rather than a "rating on a provider"  I prefer narrative with facts, such as how long the particular reviewed session was booked for (and all the other facts that are there now).  This is the excellence of TER.

It's not a difficult concept.  It should not feel so threatening to you.  What's that about, really?  Why all the irrelevancies about profile updates?  I have made no proposal to fix that problem, nor to change it in any way.  

I do hope that others will give considered opinions.

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani

I was referring to the FIRST review that sets up that provider's profile. The length of time is there. You are correct that subsequent reviews do not SHOW the length of time of each individual review, except for the very first one.  
 
That first review form provides space for several offered services, lengths of time, and a price for each.  Probably a lazy first reviewer will fill in just what he booked, but the form asks for a range of what she offers (as shown by her ads or website).  

This is not a difficult concept either.  In the profile is shown generally what she *offers*, in the review is shown what he *experienced*.  

Make sense?

So yes, I am "correct that subsequent reviews do not SHOW the length of time of each individual review" and I am asking precisely and only that the review format ask for that information and show it.

How about it, TER

Epsilon_Eridani584 reads

... all reviews are subjective in nature. narration with facts? how can I prove that what you said in your reviews are factual?

I have no method to check your reviews for accuracy. you want me to ask a provider if your review of her was accurate? I doubt that she would give me an answer to something that is supposedly "fictional".  

you do not understand fully how profiles of providers work in TER. majority of the corrections and updates are the responsibility of the providers.  

I doubt that TER will go along with your request to show the length of time for each review. I don't see any real value in showing that. that's what reviews are for... to state the length of time... if necessary.  

I'm done debating this with you. good luck.

Posted By: Valida
 
Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
 
  So, your point about having better information is not a strong argument because how does one GET better information? It's not like we can look up Consumer Reports and get a rating on a provider. Not going to happen.  
 
     
 WE are giving each other better information, right here on TER.  
 We each one of us get that information by personal experience of a provider.  
 We each give that information by writing reviews.  
 What's so hard to understand about that?  
   
 Rather than a "rating on a provider"  I prefer narrative with facts, such as how long the particular reviewed session was booked for (and all the other facts that are there now).  This is the excellence of TER.  
   
 It's not a difficult concept.  It should not feel so threatening to you.  What's that about, really?  Why all the irrelevancies about profile updates?  I have made no proposal to fix that problem, nor to change it in any way.  
   
 I do hope that others will give considered opinions.  
   
Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
 
 I was referring to the FIRST review that sets up that provider's profile. The length of time is there. You are correct that subsequent reviews do not SHOW the length of time of each individual review, except for the very first one.  
 
   
 That first review form provides space for several offered services, lengths of time, and a price for each.  Probably a lazy first reviewer will fill in just what he booked, but the form asks for a range of what she offers (as shown by her ads or website).    
   
 This is not a difficult concept either.  In the profile is shown generally what she *offers*, in the review is shown what he *experienced*.    
   
 Make sense?  
   
 So yes, I am "correct that subsequent reviews do not SHOW the length of time of each individual review" and I am asking precisely and only that the review format ask for that information and show it.  
   
 How about it, TER?  
 

Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
... all reviews are subjective in nature.   . . .
Nope, I did not miss that point.  It is just beside the point of this request.
   
Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
you do not understand fully how profiles of providers work in TER. majority of the corrections and updates are the responsibility of the providers.      
Nope.  I know how that works.  It is not relevant to this request.
   
Posted By: Epsilon_Eridani
  I'm done debating this with you. good luck.    
   
 Thank you.

As the OO (*) showed, some few may be intimidated or infuriated by the thought of telling how long they booked.  

So in clarification, the field should not be required, but simply be presented to request this info.  

(*) Original Objector; even a dim star can shed some light

If I pay a girl to an hour and she wants it to run over, that's her business and if I tell everyone about it they'll expect it, too, and be mad at her if they don't get it. And please don't tell me I "owe it" to tell my whoremongering compatriots.  Bullshit on "bros before ho's.

...He didn't ask how long were you with her. Additionally I'd think you wouldn't include any otc events in the review so stating the session was an hour, hour and a half, or some such wouldn't lead others to expect anything but the time they arranged for.

Nobody has asked for whether it ran over.
Nobody has asked for $amount, either.

Proposal is for time *booked*.

And all the other stuff about "owe it" and so forth -- argue with somebody that tells you that.  I'm not.

The first objector spewed a lot of crap that had nothing to do with my suggestion, seemingly wanting to poison the whole thing by smearing mud in our eyes.  Profile corrections, $amounts, Consumer Reports, whether I'm VIP, verification of truth -- none of it related.  Please see past that to the simple suggestion.

TER is about sharing information about suppressed activity; discretion is vital.  
Even "time booked" should not always be shared, if the situation is special.
It's like other things we don't mention in reviews, or omit if she asks us to;  
sometimes a lady doesn't even want reviews at all.  
Your many reviews show that you understand things pretty well, and share well.  Thank you.  

So, what about that simple proposal?
I sure would like to know whether the "fiction" I'm reading is about a quickie or an hour

So the real problem is that the info doesn't show up in the review when it's published.

Posted By: inicky46
So the real problem is that the info doesn't show up in the review when it's published.
Yes, exactly.
Do you think it would be useful, and a good thing, to have it show up?
Do you think it would ever be a problem, a breach of trust, to show it

Epsilon_Eridani653 reads

... you asked me if I was VIP first.

you stated that you wanted "factual" reviews. that goes back to my point... how do we KNOW if your review is "factual"??

you can input all the bullshit you want in a review and call it factual. I have no way of verifying it.

your proposal for 'amount of time' is pointless and a time waster.  

time for you to move on instead of beating this dead horse.

Posted By: Valida
whether I'm VIP, verification of truth

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