I agree with everything stated so far.
Ladies:
Screen, screen, screen.
Don't ever let a guy try to avoid giving you any information you want.
Have a safety net available, someone you trust who knows where you are.
And I have no problem keeping my information available as a safety net, until after the appointment.
This just disgusts me. But I'm not innocent enought to think that there are not some mental deficient, nut jobs out there.
Ladies, please be careful
And guys, let's do whatever we can to make this a safe and fulfilling hobby for the ladies.
When she asks you for information that you may feel is personel, remember Cheryl, Lundon, and all the others.
Just my opinion...
B
But either way I feel it needs to be said.
http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=14807&boardID=10&page=1
http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=29768&boardID=18&page=1
Those four links above are from TER and TBD. Two are about Cheryl, a lady from Chicago who was recently found killed in her home. The other two are about an Atlanta lady named Lundon who was also recently found killed.
While neither case mentions that these savage acts had anything at all to do with these ladies chosen vocation, it's also my understanding that it hasn't been ruled out yet either.
While I understand that nothing is 100% in this life, I feel maybe a not so gentle reminder is needed anyway.
Ladies, PLEASE screen. I know that that part of the job that we don't see you perform during our "date" is often times alot more time consuming than we realize. Most times probably being the equivalent of another full time job, but your safety could depend upon it. Also, trust your instincts, no matter what information you may have. Better to error on the side of caution.
Gentlemen, I understand the arguement of giving personal imformation to a lady from both sides, believe me, I really do. If you don't feel comfortable giving the amount of info. that a certain lady wants or needs to feel comfortable please move down the line to another lady that more correctly fits your comfort zone.
I know, I'm preaching to the quire. Those of us that read and participate in this board don't need to here all this again. But sometimes we all become complacent, and sometimes we all need a reminder, weather it be warranted or not by the events that unfold around us.
-- Modified on 11/25/2004 10:47:16 PM
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-- Modified on 11/26/2004 1:26:08 AM
Three providers, a year or so ago were murdered in their homes. It happened close together like these ladies. Not, sure if it was business related or not, but it opened my eyes. It is very sad to hear these kind of things!
Ladies, please be Very Careful and always let someone know when you are on an appointment. There's some risks to being in this business, so Please be on your toes and ALWAYS go with your gut feelings!
Ladies, you can never be to safe, so Please Screen!
Kelly
May you rest in peace....Cheryl, Lundon, Summer Breeze, Alexis and Michelle.
-- Modified on 11/26/2004 2:29:08 AM
You're absolutely right Snowblind. I am missing a date with a very beautiful provider this very weekend due to what happened with Cheryl. She is a well known lady who travels and now fears our city due to this scumbag. That guy better hope I dont find out who he is. Ladies please set up your visits in cities you are unsure of with past visitors only or highly regarded and recommended new clients...dont take chances.
An actual security force to protect providers would be a start....any ideas out there?
Security force, they are called pimps.
I think that a woman should take the man's info and phone it to a contact or email it to herself before the session starts. It might even be good to pretend to do this around him.
I'm sure that much contempt is generated for a lot of women in this business. Providers could easily be seen as things rather than people. It is easy to get rid of a thing. However, if you indicate to the man that you are in contact with another person about him it may humanize you a bit.
No...I am not speaking of the slimy leeching pimps. I am quite a bit smarter than that. The ladies need some sort of organized security and why could this not be provided(for a fee of course) through Eros and Cityvibe and others that advertise these ladies? It should be...right? THAT was my point! It could be 3rd party and optional...but it should be available
But the legal problems with it would be thick and would have to be solved first.
If I ever catch up to the rabid dog who does this, I might not be able to call the police before I put a bullet in its head.
/Zin
-- Modified on 11/26/2004 11:59:20 PM
Also,
ladies - take a self defense course. Many community colleges offer these. Call a rape crisis line or women's shelter for referrals if you have trouble finding one in your neighborhood.
I think every girl should be taught self-defense at an early age to level the playing field some. Of course, one may still be at somewhat of a disadvantage if you are 5'1" and 105 lbs against a 6'4" 220 lb man, but there are things you can do in that scenario still...and the greatest thing that self defense can often teach is how to overcome the feelings of fear or helplessness that come about when physically confronted by someone "of greater strength".
Admittedly, there is no defense against a gun with someone determined to kill you wielding it...but I would be willing to wager that would be in the minority of scenarios that a woman would encounter.
Self defense makes sense.
I agree with everything stated so far.
Ladies:
Screen, screen, screen.
Don't ever let a guy try to avoid giving you any information you want.
Have a safety net available, someone you trust who knows where you are.
And I have no problem keeping my information available as a safety net, until after the appointment.
This just disgusts me. But I'm not innocent enought to think that there are not some mental deficient, nut jobs out there.
Ladies, please be careful
And guys, let's do whatever we can to make this a safe and fulfilling hobby for the ladies.
When she asks you for information that you may feel is personel, remember Cheryl, Lundon, and all the others.
Just my opinion...
B
more escorts are murdered by their SO's or former SO's than by their clients.
Ladies, please be equally careful to be aware of when you are in a dangerous situtation with a man who you have had an SO relationship with.
I think that the only person that would know that for a fact would be the detective on the case. I could never make a judgement, unless I had the facts in front on me.
I have no idea who murdered Cheryl or Lundon, and did not say that I did.
The important thing is the safety of the ladies. To be safe, be aware that not all dangers for providers come from clients. SO's and former SO's can also be dangerous.
-- Modified on 11/26/2004 2:41:07 PM
"SafetyText is a delayed text messaging system. When you want security but don’t want people to know where you are going, you can send a delayed text message in complete confidence. On your safe return, cancel the text. If something happens to you, the text is sent to a nominated friend or parent and they will know where you are."
Sure, everyone should be as careful as possible, but that won't stop bad things happening to someone.
Unfortunately, this hobby has risks for everyone, especially the ladies. The overall percentage of escorts who are on this or other sites is very small.
Some of us don't feel comfortable giving out personal info, thus we will seek ladies who don't screen or take references instead.
There will always be ladies to accomodate us, just as there will always be men who don't mind being screened.
Be as safe as you can, but don't be paranoid.
Another suggestion along the lines of the delayed message would be to leave a voice mail message in a designated location. This would be done at the start of the session, in the client's presence, with appropriate client info. (Location, Driver's licence #, maybe). Delete voice mail in client's presence, or after client leaves, after the session is over. Could this be made to work? Would clients be okay with it? Would it have sufficient deterrent value? Comments?