This is one lady who always makes you think. I have always enjoyed her sharp, quick wit. Having had the pleasure of her company and greatly enjoyed her as a conversationalist and a person, she has always left me thinking. I must admit as I read her comments here, she has once again made me stop to think and taught me something new.
Lilly, You are the best!
I know I tend to incite, which ultimately is to get people to think and reflect reponsibly however, I felt I must address this topic in a thoughtful and honest manner.
Escort DOES NOT EQUAL WHORE. If a woman truly enjoys being with a man, then a natural progression of emotions is (naturally) going to transpire between hobbyist and provider, especially if it is an ongoing relationship..
I have read all of the comments in the previous emails very carefully AND, if human nature dictates, it is NATURAL AND NORMAL for human emotions to intervene. I personally, have some VERY VERY special men, albeit via this medium whom I care about very deeply; one in particular who is privvy to the real me and vice versa, and yes, although unspoken it is a relationsip filled with caring, love and respect.
Unless you are a hobbyist or provider, only interested in the mechanics and monetary rewards, it is a natural progression (of human nature) that attachment on many different levels occurs. Afterall, we are all human and despite a myriad of mitigating circumstances (marriage, transition, busy lifestyles, etc.) both hobbyists and providers have emotional needs, which cannot be denied.
The money is merely a boundary, which states (in my opinion of course) "that the time we spend together will be quality time. It will be as stress-free and as enjoybale as possible; creating enjoyment and balance in both of our lives, a win-win situation, if you like." "When we are together, the world centers around you, and when we are apart, we are autonomous."
The PERFECT relationship that everyone desires in their everyday lives, but deems impossible to obtain.
Love and caring knows few boundaries. It is only when we become obssesive, controlling and threatening that we ruin things.
In many ways, the provider-hobbyist relationship is the ideal!
(I know, I know, out of character for Lilly the Loveable "BIT*&, however every once in awhile there is a topic worthy of a direct response!)
ps. KUDOS, my dear friend Magnum. Men, read his responses in the former post carefully. AND YES, MAG and I are true friends, (not that it is anyone's business, but it is platonic). He is a true gentleman in all resopects and understands the hobby implicitly.)
xoxo
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Ok..thoughtful answer that gently covers all bases...so let's say, then that, say 97.75% (instead of 99.9%) of the time that entanglements beyond the "arrangement" will lead to disaster.
I, too, have a similiar warm relationship that has matured over the last several years...BUT it always stays within the limits that she has set, and it always will. She's a very cool, intelligent woman whom I am fortunate to know..especially in the limits of the relationship we've developed...courtesan / client.
This is one lady who always makes you think. I have always enjoyed her sharp, quick wit. Having had the pleasure of her company and greatly enjoyed her as a conversationalist and a person, she has always left me thinking. I must admit as I read her comments here, she has once again made me stop to think and taught me something new.
Lilly, You are the best!
Hi Lilly, Nice post.... And thanks. It's a pleasure to see you back from vacation. I think the board misses your wit and eloquence when your not around....
Welcome back
Mag
I read Aphrodisia's post and I chuckled to myself. She writes "ESCORT DOES NOT EQUAL WHORE". Not that I don't like the hobby but lets get real. This is the Webster's dictionary definition of whore. 1.a woman who engages in sexual acts for money: Prostitute;also: a promiscuous or immoral woman. 2. A male who engages in sexual acts for money. 3. a venal or unscrupulous person.Let's not try to candy coat things here. It is was it is. Seems like some people are in complete denial.
Vincent,
I sympathize with your dilemma. A lot of people here have various opinions because they don't really know your situation. But I think all of the advice here are valid. The question is where do you fit in along this spectrum?
I'm just curious as to how long you have been seeing this lady before you decided you are in love? And how soon you professed your love to her? I'm sure the gents here might change their opinion given more info.
This Reminds me of the story about a man - he is a great provider for his family, very faithful to his wife and goes to church religiously, and a good father to his children. What do you think about this man now? Well, what if I told you, he's an alcoholic and beats his wife? You posed a question, but really didn't give enough information for any one to give sound advice, and what you get in return is worthless to you.
As to your comment about "giving her a world that cannot be equalled by many", I think it offended some people because you could have very well said "give her a very nice comfortable life". But I don't think you were trying to boast, I think you were just stating a fact. You could be much more wealthy than anyone here for all I know, but it just had somewhat of an arogant under tone. Wealth is relative, so it's hard for people to judge what you meant by that phrase.
If your nicest toy is a Ferrari, then people can see what you mean. If it's a hummer, yeah it's nice but many here can do that too.
Just my .02, best of luck.
to all who have posted on this issue and the opinions expressed thus far, I once very early on in my lurking career around this hobby saw this issue raised. It is one, that along with verification, rates, and a couple of others, comes up regularly. A seasoned hobbyist at that time replied, and I have always embraced this guideline, "It is a line which should NEVER be crossed". He felt that one needs to stay always aware of what basicly transpires in the hobby, that being that it is primarily a business relationship.....a give and take on both sides of the line. While you all know that up to now I have not had the pleasure of intimate company with any of the myriad of lovely ladies available in this hobby. And I will agree that varying degrees of relationships, respect, admiration, caring and the like will develop. Even though my relationships with various ladies have been of a communicative nature only, there are some who I have stronger degrees of relationships with.
What I saw here in the original thread was a guy who fell in love in the regular sense with his lady. I know it happens. I know providers and clients marry, and I understand some live happily ever after, but I have seen the opposite espoused on many occasions. The issue of Love vs Lust can be tricky, especially if you are a man who may lack different things in a primary relationship and is searching, like the old song says, for love in all the wrong places. One must Guard their heart in this hobby, and I believe that to be true on both sides of the fence.
My thoughts and prayers are with both the gentleman and lady involved and I wish them only the best.........OMR
We really need to know only one thing, the original poster said that she told him she didn't feel the same way about him. That should have been the end of it. We just had a well known local provider forced to relocate from one town to another and work under a new name because she was being stalked, or so her agency owner reported on this board. I think everyone should think twice about encouraging behavior that is possibly already close to stalking. We are only hearing his story, what about her story? What part of "no" doesn't he understand? As a community we should have the safety of providers foremost in our priorities. If you have training and experience in the mental health field then the language, and emotions expressed in his posts should raise red flags for you. He exibits the classic emotional profile of a stalker. This is serious business! A young woman's safty is at stake.
I agree, OMR that it is best if certain lines never be crossed, however sh&! happens and the human heart intervenes without warning.
I also wish safety to these two. BE CAREFUL always.