It's the politicians that write the laws that they are required to enforce. And, I don't believe in killing politicians, but rather voting and organizing against the corrupt and ineffectual ones.

I hate the IRS very much.  That said, I wish this guy had survived so he could be strung up by his thumbs.

I read hour after hour of testimony of the children and wives and mothers of murder victims and the impact it has on their life.  I wait to read that stuff until late in the day, so I can have a drink.

The IRS agent killed has a mother and maybe kids and a wife, husband, lover, or somebody.

I don't think he is a terrorist because he isn't connected to any movement, had no support, did not rely on any one for encouragement or advice.

He is a classic nut-case criminal.  He killed and hurt people who belonged to a group I didn't like, but they were people and didn't deserve to be hurt or killed.

How does murder and violence help this situation?  

This is about as stupid as the Pro-Life folks who bomb abortion clinics.  

And good luck trying to defend yourself someday if you are caught killing a cop who just busted someone by using a prostitution sting.

No, the guy who flew the plane into the IRS building is not a terrorist.  I agree with that. He's just a whack job that let his anger overcome whatever brains and common sense he may have had.

What an idiotic statement that this  fucking loon   is a hero . He   damn committed murder and  killed a person and could have willingly caused the death  of  many others . He  endangered the lives of many  committing this coward act of selfish  suicide .
If he had to kill himself he should have just put a gun to his head . Special place in hell for him now.

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Unintended Consequences by John Ross
http://www.john-ross.net/store.php

Molon Labe by Boston T. Party
http://www.javelinpress.com/molon_labe.html

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By noting these books I am not advocating illegal activity. I simply find them entertaining and thought-provoking.

The activities described in these books will be unneeded because of the results of implementing the non-violent approach in THIS book:

http://www.starvingthemonkeys.com/

Our IRS and the politicians that give it its power are evil.

HR 3162 SEC. 802 DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM

"(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
  (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
  (B) appear to be intended--
     (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
     (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
     (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping"

By the legal definition already laid out in the US Code, I would say that he's a terrorist, regardless of whether he was a member of a group or not.

As for the IRS, they are hardly illegal, as anyone who's read Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution and the 16th Amendment can attest.

Dead cops and politicians don't bother me much, but violence isn't necessary. What is necessary is enacting a form of direct democracy so the people can keep a check on our representatives.

I would be the first to admit that the tax code in this country needs to be seriously overhauled, but paying your taxes is your patriotic duty. If you don't like the admission fee, then get out of the park.

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the last desperate act of an insane person. The question that should be addressed in this case is which came first , the desperation or the insanity. Suicidal people are generally considered to be insane so I am going to say that the desperation came first. The implication is that under the correct conditions any of us can become desperate and if desperation breeds insanity it can happen to any of us. I don't know if suicide is the usual result of  extreme desperation but there seems to be lots of evidence that it is so.  

I say all of this to point out that shooting at cops is one way to attempt suicide. I won't say that a well organized assault on the capitalist class to seize state power by any means necessary is not worth considering though. Most posters to this board are a bit too spineless to consider that course of action so when some insane person is driven to a solitary desperate action against the
capitalist class just hope the next desperate person won't be you.

We have a government whose primary purpose is NOT to "secure the blessings of liberty" for the posterity of the founders; but rather -- like some monstrous sentient organism -- to protect itself.

Yes, courts of ruled that the 16th Amendment cannot be challenged. It is like Thomas Jefferson pointed out in the Kentucky Resolution: Even though our national government has three branches, they are still three branches of one entity -- and that one entity cannot be expected to sit in unbiased adjudication of itself in issues where it has a self-interest.

But that is exactly what we have. We have given the IRS powers that destroy the Bill of Rights by requiring people to testify against themselves by default; and by creating a set of laws so inscrutable that even CPAs are in doubt as to what is or isn't correct. In fact, it is SO inscrutable that even advice received directly from IRS employees is not considered a defense.

Our tax code, written as it is, is nothing but a tool of tyranny.

Here is one of the most common examples.

Someone owes taxes and doesn't pay them. The IRS sends their employer a "Notice of Intent to Levy." The employer then takes the worker's pay -- and sends it to the IRS to satisfy the Levy.

Now, look at the Bill of Rights. WHAT is required before anyone's property may be seized? A WARRANT. Where is the warrant? There is none. Thousands of times a week, people have their pay seized based on nothing more than a letter from the IRS -- without a hearing, trial or anything.

And this same thing happens with bank accounts, etc.

The 16th Amendment has been implemented in such a way as to negate all of our most fundamental rights -- even such rights as free exercise of religion. Practically any tax payer is just a dice-roll away from ruin.

This sort of system has no place in a FREE country. If we are going to have taxes, those laws should be impartial and simple enough that anyone with a 6th grade education can figure out if he is breaking the law or not. Our tax code is so large that nobody could read it in his lifetime.

Meanwhile, many IRS agents, and this is documented in the Congressional record, take joy in pushing people past their psychological breaking point. People commit suicide ALL THE TIME over problems with the IRS.

Any organization can only run roughshod over so many people before they run across someone that they push to suicide who decides he might as well take some of his tormentors along with him.

So, until such time as the IRS and its mad-dog tactics of terror are reined in and the legal infrastructure is comprehensible and reasonably fair; you will occasionally get stuff like this. It is an inevitable result.

I am not endorsing the behavior -- only saying it is inevitable.

Meanwhile -- on the police issue; I think there are some issues that aren't being considered.

Our police forces have become increasingly militarized in the zeal to counter terrorism and escalate the war on drugs.

Nowadays, it is not at all unusual to have a SWAT team or paramilitary police wing conduct a drug bust using commando-style assaults under no-knock warrants. These include the use of flash-bang grenades, battering rams, fully automatic weapons and more. Just the entry techniques are so incredibly traumatic that there are documented cases of suspects (who were later found to be innocent) dropping dead from literal heart-failure during the entry. These branches of law enforcement have been heavily funded and so have proliferated and they are being used in circumstances where, a few years ago, just a couple of regular officers would have shown up.

There are hundreds of documented cases that have made the news where these raids were conducted on innocent people; resulting in their deaths, their homes being burned down from fires sparked by the grenades, other property destruction without reimbursement and severe trauma and PTSD in the victims.

One such case occurred to a next-door neighbor. His ex-wife dropped a dime on him that he might have some pot. During a weekend when he had his kid with him; and his kid was sleeping in the bed with him; police executed a commando style raid. Awakened from a sound sleep by the sudden commotion and disoriented, he reached for his bedside lamp so he could see. (No guns were in his home). And he was shot to death in bed next to his kid. No pot. Oops.

While I understand the importance of police and value their function sufficiently that I've even been made an honorary member of a police union; I am not so foolish as to believe police can go on acting this way without reaping the whirlwind.

Already, police refer to non-police as "civilians" when -- in reality -- they are civilians too. But they are no longer, in too many cases, "us." They see themselves as separate and apart from the communities they serve. And they are far too often exempted from just punishment when they slay the innocent.

While I believe police need a fair amount of slack; and should even be allowed to make mistakes just like anyone else -- the overall landscape of law enforcement in this country his changed in a fashion antithetical to liberty.

And because our cops are used to enforce unjust laws and  too often as persecutors and even hangmen of the innocent -- people are losing the respect and esteem for them in which they were once held. Many people who, even 20 years ago, saw the cop as a friend to whom they could turn in need; now see the cop as a dangerous enemy there to collect revenue, enforce unfair and unjust laws and potential killers of citizens by accident.

We are judged by society as hobbyists -- not by the best among us -- but by the worst. The same applies to cops.

Thus, the good and righteous in law enforcement still have to contend with the attitudes created by the evil and unjust in their profession.

I have seen cops outright lie on the witness stand for no greater purpose than to try to make a speeding ticket stick. When this happens to enough people; cops come to be seen as dishonest for other purposes as well. Did the cop who lied about the traffic ticket tell the truth about the drug bust?

Thus cops are going to be the unfortunate and unwitting targets of a certain percentage of innocent people whose lives they have destroyed.

And -- one other thing. Do some research on Civil Property Forfeiture. This is a process, vetted by the Supreme Court, in which government agents can seize anything you own -- cash, property, etc. -- on mere SUSPICION that it has something to do with crime ... EVEN IF you are never charged with that crime!

Thousands of times a day in this country, people have their property, cash and other assets essentially stolen without them ever being charged with a crime. In fact, it is a MAJOR source of funding for many police departments; so they are literally incentivized to do this.

Again -- it is just a matter of time. This ultimately creates, again, an environment in which citizens at large come to fear and distrust police.

And let me tell you the secret of where hate originates. It originates in fear and distrust.

People fear and distrust the IRS -- and many hate the organization.

And an increasing number of people fear and distrust police -- leading, again, to hate.

The bottom line is that no organization -- government or otherwise -- should expect to be able to kill innocent people, browbeat them, harass them and ruin their lives with impunity indefinitely.

While I do not support the actions of the man who crashed the plane into the iRS offices; I DID read his note and I DO understand where he is coming from. He wasn't crazy. He had simply allowed himself to be pushed too far; and decided to take a few of his tormentors with him when he died.

Expect to see this more often in the future.

I don't endorse it -- but it is the inevitable result of injustice.