Sorry for not being around more, just been really busy up here on the hill
What has happened here??? It was so hard to start a serious discussion, perhaps this has killed this forum forever. Even the shills have taken the exit??? The Johns are suppressed, silent, and there are no new gurlz to be found. Thoughts???
ladies? I am a relative newcomer to the TS scene. All my life never attracted to men-men, still not. Still highly attracted to biologic girls. But all of a sudden I also love TS ladies, topping and bottoming. All of a sudden I love sucking TS cock and getting fucked. I even met a TS lady who I find more emotionally attractive and intellectually satisfying than any girl-girl I know. But still repulsed by the thought of me having any sex or romance with a regular guy. Not homophobic, just not my cup of tea. I'm not complaining, this is hot and pleasurable, but would be interested in any thoughtful theories or explanations of what it's all about.
So OP, it will be interesting to see if I receive any useful, not cynical, responses to this query.
I feel the same way you do. In fact I recently saw a provider I didn't know had gone post-op. I was immediately disappointed, but still had a great session as she had a toy she used to perfection. I definitely got the best of both worlds that night.
A lot of T-girls are very beautiful in a female sort of way, and some of the ones I have met some are really very nice people with whom I could see myself have great sexual and non-sexual relationships.
Tom8to, I will offer no list of books or articles, for the reason that there are hundreds of comments on the topic. However, I can definitely answer what I think is your question. But first, so that I can avoid sweeping generalizations, just help out with confirming a few parameters. I will guess that you are "around" 50 years old. Divorced. And you gradually found that Genetic Girls were becoming less satisfying on an emotional and Physical level.
If you can confirm/adjust these "guesses" then I can explain everything that you will want to know. Also, and Most Importantly, is your Fav TS a "Professional" or is she a "real TS" that has a real non-hooker job out in the so called "Real World," as opposed to the Fantasy World of the "Johns" (Mongers) /Providers?// Not only can I explain why, but I can tell you what you will have to do to completely determine how to be happy with a TS as a life choice, but you may not like what you hear, for the Truth will set you free, but it may also hurt when you realize that I am going to offer real analysis, and not sarcastic bs. Thus, I say that my comments will be serious. I do not know everything by any means, but I think that if you provide the parameters, specific enough to make this discussion real, then my response/analysis will be worthy of these boards, in a positive, realistic sense.
Yes, fifty-ish. In process of divorce. No, I do not find genetic girls less satisfying. I just wandered into a TS porn site, got turned on, met with a few TS providers and enjoyed it immensely. I *suspect* that my question is not specific to me or my life situation but more generic. Thanks for your interest in discussing.
Tom8to. Thank you so much for helping with parameters...my "guesses" were fairly accurate, it seems... You state that genetic girls are "not less satisfying" to you. Great. This means that you are not gay. But, your answer could be confined, perhaps, to the physical "event." WHAT MATTERS is the emotional/spiritual side, if we are discussing important, long-term relationships. What is sadly true, for most guys, is that they get to their late 40s, early 50s and find out that their wife, or significant other genetic girl/partner, is really "not wise enough" to understand how to make "their man" happy on an emotional level. The physical sex level is ALWAYS less important than the emotional level. Studies show that men are usually hurt emotionally, to a much greater extent, than are women, as a result of divorce. Trust me, you will be emotionally hurt by divorce. It will hit you after the divorce is final. Even if your wife was a real monster/bitch, you will feel deeply sad about whatever happened, and you will blame yourself. Even if you go into "Denial" this will rock you to your very core. Just wait, it will happen to you.
Genetic girls want Money and they want Security. They tend to ignore, and, sadly to minimize and to forget, that their man wants them to want him. I would bet that, in your own case, like most others, (including mine), you slowly realized that you personally lost the feeling that you once had, (or dreamed or imagined at the deepest level) that you genetic girl wife "Freely Accepted you" on the deepest physical and emotional level. I can tell that you are not a "wise guy." I can say, with virtually total certainty, that all you ever really wanted, as you got older, was to believe that you were Totally Freely Accepted by your wife. If this can be achieved, the male will not leave his wife. This is what makes a man really loyal forever. It is the tie that binds, and is impossible to break.
But I further suggest that you were forced, by your genetic girl's failure to make you feel this way, to, over time, become "The Top" in your marriage. You had to do more and more, in terms of trying, to initiate, to make happy, to create the "magic" and to sustain the relationship. The present day genetic girls in america could not give a damn about making a man feel Totally Freely Accepted. If you want to find this, (and it does exist) then try to meet and marry an Asian Woman, ideally one who was born in Asia. They know what I am talking about.
Now, however, before some reader thinks that I am bull S%^&^*ing here, I stop. Part Two will follow....let's not make this part One too big. The Important Part will be Part Two...
But first, it is a discussion...Please take issue with what I have typed, so far...Tell me if you think that my comments are fairly accurate, and in line with what you may have or are now coming to realize?
still like sucking cock. I think it's mostly a physiological question, something about sexual preference wiring or whatever. It's intriguing.
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Come to think of it, it might be partly wiring but seems also to be life experience, maybe related to learning give-and-take, maybe learning one perspective and getting intrigued with the other end of that perspective. Quite puzzling...
Tom8to. Well, since you are steering the car down an more "narrow two way street," I will answer your question. But first, there are several parameters to review. First, no one, (certainly not me), can solve an equation with many parameters. Some are the following: Men get tired, as I explained in Part One, of "Being Made, in marriage, to become the Total "Top," making their genetic girl wife happy. They should be the "Top" 60% of the time, and their wife should never say "No!" on a sexual level.
Next, STDs are real. HIV, Hep A,B,C are real...lots of others, you know the list. Stay in a one on one situation, NO RISK. Fool with "Trysts" whether cheating at the office or at a club with a genetic girl, or with a Provider/Hooker whether genetic girl or Trans, and you are now AT RISK! This is real. Believe it, do not DENY.
And, of course, Money. Your hypothetical Asian Genetic Woman that I mentioned in Part One, above, knows this. To Save Time, I will now select the number of $300,000 per year, and a 3% portfolio yield. If you have a portfolio today, that pays annual cash of $300,000 to you (Not your job or work) you will soon realize that you are a winner, and you have options, sir. The typical Trans Girl has, in her mind as a Provider/Hooker, the number of $150,000 per year. In New York City you can have a two hour session, where you can suck her cock, she will bare back blow job you, (No Rubber Involved), She will, after taking Viagra or Cialis, fuck you as deeply as she can, (although she may only get 70-80 % hard, depends on who she is), and, if you are lucky, she will let you fuck her back, deeply, but a lot will play games and only do cow girl or RCG, so you can not fully enter...she has to stay tight for the next John!!, lol). A nice two hour session will cost you around $700.00 in NYC. This Trans Provider that you are falling in love with, sucking her sweet cock, provides, yearly, 215 sessions to earn $150,000.
Why do you want to suck her cock??? Easy, your life experiences with genetic girls made you burn out, YOU had to be the "Top," conceptually, all the time. You had to find the girls, woo them, date them, and marry her...you find out that she is just as much of a Whore as is any Provider. Same concept, different time parameters...slow death to you, your wife has you in a legal/financial Trap, and fast returns to the Professional "Trap/Trans".
You got the idea, one night, to try a Trans girl....But you did not find a "real Trans girl who lives in the real world." You did not know one...they are hard to find...So you go to TheEroticReview, and poof! you find one "highly reviewed." You set up the First Tryst. Your heart was pounding...you worried about a Sting...She opened the door for the first time...she was really adorable! She gave you a better deep French Kiss that you had in years!!! She got you near the bed. She started to give you a Bare Back Blow Job. Wow! Forget those Genetic Girls. Next, she gets you on the bed, naked, and she sticks her cock into your mouth...you suck...you are amazed at how great it feels...you can not stop. You are "hooked."
Why???? Because you are not gay! You want to be the bottom. You want to make the Trans girl feel great, to give her the deepest feeling of happiness...you suck her cock...you dream that finally you have met someone that will be "Toppish" with you, and you make her happy! Sure, you may fuck her, after oral games, and that will feel great. Even better, then she will fuck you, and it will feel incredible, for it will be "Risque" and more exciting that the 5,000 prior straight fucks you had, and you will be further hooked. It is what it is. Trans Providers have this down to a science...they know just what you really want. (If you were just dom-gay, you would only be with a Trans Girl to fuck the shit out of her to hurt or dominate)...the Trans Girls want nothing to do with these, unless they are, themselves, gays who are sub TVs (as lot of so called Trans Girls fit this description, with -0- breasts. These Trans frequently want to bambam Genetic Girls in "Mixed Doubles" Sessions, and charge the boyfriend a big price, and may even DP the genetic girl in the session, a whole other story, an aside here).
Now, the genetic Asian woman knows how to make you happy, the american genetic girls don't care. You recall $300k?? You can find, or buy, a Genetic Asian woman, young, adorable, who you can marry, if you give her $150k a year, half of your investment income. This will be safe, after you are tested, no problem with STDs. May you live happily ever after! She will make you feel wanted, she will know exactly how.
Or you can meet your perfect Trans Girl....If she is a Provider/Hooker, she will be with you IF you pay her $150,000 per year. You may get married, if you can really take the "stigma" (very few men really can, although they may deny this, how many really do???) But if you want to receive, at relatively low risk, a level of 3% yield (thanks to the Fed -0- interest policy suppressing yields in the Market, today) you will need a portfolio of $10 million. Got that??? $10 million times 3 per cent is $300,000. She gets half ($150k), and you keep half, to protect you if this relationship ends...this is hedging.
Now hear this very clearly....you are sucking cock as a result of prior life experiences...You picture, when you are with a perfect looking sweet Trans Provider/Hooker, that you will stay together, and you can suck her cock; you want to make her feel great, the way you failed to make your wife feel great...your Trans Girl really understands this, for she was born Male. You also imagine you can fuck her and penetrate her days/nights...just like with genetic girls...normal pleasures...and she can also fuck you back, with Viagra etc, and you will "Surrender" to "her" in a way only possible with a Beautiful Trans! This will make you very happy....I hope you can achieve this...BUT YOU WILL NEED COIN OF AROUND TEN MILLION TO PULL THIS OFF. To me, this would be better than the Asian genetic girl option.
You will still want to suck Trans Cock, no matter if you have $100 or $10 million. But hear this last part very clearly....If your perfect Trans Girl is a Hooker/Provider, and she goes to DC or NYC for a week on "Business" then, when she comes back, and you schedule the next "fun Tryst," know well that her mouth and tongue were giving bare back blow jobs to strangers, on the road, that may have, or carry, HIV and more....and that she may have been "offering" rimming, and doing this every day while on the road. Hey, it is just a business, no? But YOU take the risk...every time...it is real, sir.
I could continue...If you "See Her" every week, at $700 per visit in NYC (cheaper in other places) then you will spend $36,400 sucking her cock, which you are now hooked on. And you will be potentially exposed to the STDs she may carry, picked up, from some other John. You want to suck her cock, to fuck her, to be fucked back, etc. This is the result of your failure to achieve satisfaction with a genetic girl, as described above. The "Trans girl wife option" will make you totally happy....but if you are too poor, and if you do not have the investment income stream to pull it off, well, I hope you have "Fun" and continue Trysting with your Trans Girl, but you now know why you want to suck her cock, endlessly, how much will it cost, and WHAT THE RISKS REALLY ARE. End part Two.
Providers, any comments?
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I can some this part up In a few minutes... I read most of what was written, but not at all so you might or might not have.
It's the perception of a women that makes you suck the cock.... It's the fact that it use to be a guy subconscious in the back of your mind your saying damn that is a guy, but he looks like a she a female...., and that to me personally is the turn on... Chix w/ a dick. I don't take that as being gay at all... If it was a dude you wouldn't have no attraction at all.
It's all about perception...
I hope that helps.. Some
That's all very fascinating, Dr. Freud, but I think it's a bit simpler. What woman doesn't wonder what it's like to have a dick and stick it in someone? Or, in our case as men, what man doesn't wonder at some point in his life what it feels like to be penetrated? But we would never fuck a man, because we are straight. The transsexual woman creates a loophole for us, a state in which we feel comfortable being penetrated and sucking dick...without being gay.
Dear vantheman666: Thank you for your observations. My comments formed an answer to a different question. You have opened other roads.
There has been a promotion of the "gay agenda" in the USA for many years. This is a sociological reality. This agenda was fulfilled by the Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage rights. Paradoxically, this has served to "break the karma" of the gays...what the hell, they are "just like everybody else" now! On the sociological level, the fascination with Transsexuals has also been capped, if you will, by the Court's gay marriage ruling. I can marry a Transsexual now. No problem. But from the standpoint of individual motivations, and the deeper forces that drive behavior, my answer was meant to be a realistic response.
You would be gay if you truly wanted to be fucked by a "man." You would be gay if you want to fuck other men. The "real gay dominants" are the most vicious people around...talk with any le experts you can find, or research this to find out. My remarks touched on this, above.
There is increasingly, for the younger generation, (less that around 32 years old or so), a propensity to "Try Lots of Things" because, I argue, they have been conditioned, by deliberate intent, to sample lots of behaviors that were "off limits" back in the 50s and early 60s. Hence, many might want to find out what it feels like to be penetrated. This is sociological, and is now very prevalent. Remember, there is no "Right" or "Wrong" in my analysis, just "Smart" and "Dumb" (Foolish, it you want a fancier word, but you get my meaning,,,).
The bottom line, when being gay or Trans was Exotic, Forbidden, and risque, the "Value" of such items, being prohibited, and to some extent, illegal, was high. Now, the Court has made these behaviors mundane and even "Acceptable." So expect a peaking in the desire to "chase Transsexuals" to begin now, after all, they are legal to marry. Watch the force of the gay agenda abate...it has been achieved.
My observations here are "Sociological" and your observations are more psychological. The tie break measure is not would some guy fuck another guy, but would some guy "want" to be fucked by another guy. To be the bottom, so to say. I don't think very many of these types are seeking relationships with Transsexuals. Straight men who have given up on the bullshit genetic girls that populate the USA seek Transsexuals. They also will seek genetic girl Providers, BECAUSE they know the odds of developing a meaningful and satisfying LONG TERM relationship with a genetic girl are very low. So Why Bother? THE SOCIOLOGY OF THE GENETIC GIRLS NO LONGER PERMITS THEM TO "STOOP TO CONQUER" A MAN. They have been destroyed, to their own undoing, by the agendas sold to them over the same period of time as the gay agenda has been promoted. Read again what I wrote, above. Today, a "man" has to become a 100% total "top" to "satisfy" the twisted goals of most genetic women, especially in a marriage. The psychological returns are no way a compensation for the efforts required. Hence divorce. I want to marry a Transsexual! Read what I wrote above. I am trying to address the deeper longer term motivations...anybody can get some Viagra, take two drinks, go to a party and complete some sex actions after the party. This means little.
I was seeking to address the deeper motivations and compelling desires that really steer long term partnerships or marriage. Lasting behaviors, so to say, based upon "Values" not overnight Trysts, free or paid. Relationships not based merely upon sex acts, but upon positioning of the deeper elements that might truly bind together the pair.
I thank you for commenting...your comments are valid, but the longer term issues merit additional analysis. Still hoping to read "expert" provider comments...
Sorry for not being around more, just been really busy up here on the hill
She has some pretty logical and interesting youtube vids on this topic. Just search on her name.
Because it's almost impossible to post anything on here without someone jumping down your throat with stuff like "do a
little research" or "you'd have to be an idiot to think that's real" or "you need to get your eyes checked".
For sure, you don't see the same 4-11's you used to, but no problem there. Kudos to the LADog for still showing up as much as he does to answer what he can as a pseudo/volunteer mod. Think part of it is that even just a few years ago, there were more touring GFE TS ladies who had good reviews. When I first got into this side of the hobby, there were a lot more GFE TS providers on the scene that were touring and you could have a legit 8-10 date. If you had the means to travel to the city one the ones who didn't tour was in, you also were in for a great time. Now a days, unless Daisy is in your town, good luck with that.
Many times you think the board is just read by a handful of regulars and the occasional 411 poster looking for some news, reviews, etc. But I have been surprised to find that there are actually quite a few ladies who check in and see whats going on here from time to time.
For you lovely ladies, hope you have had a wonderful summer and trust your health is excellent. : )
Thanks Sancho2. Although she has not been around lately, kudos to Ms. Marple too. Ms. Marple has always provided quality help. Sancho2, same with you. I try to log in and help when I can but things have slowed to a snails pace for sure.