I will not and have not ever shorted any hooker I have seen. However, I prefer those that don't expect payment up front and there are many. We have a good time, services rendered and then payment. No payment up front is the ultimate LE check and if it does turn out to be a bust well then hey at least I got laid before going to jail.
I met with a p411 member with 10 ladies who have vouched for him. He put a pile of twenties on the table, I did not want to be tacky and count them all out before session. When he left, I realized he shorted me $100. I informed p411 and they told me I needed to count the money beforehand. So they were not going to me help deal with it. The guy I saw does not respond to my requests to satisfy the debt.
I have read reviews where the reviewer complains when money is counted before the session.
So, what do I do??!
Would give him the benefit of the doubt if he'd respond to your attempts to contact, but since he won't, out him to the community so all will know not to trust him. That's such bullshit. As to the future. Let people know this happened and ask then to forgive you for counting......but business is business...
First, he's an ass. If it was a mistake, he should acknowledge it and your attempt to contact him. If was on purpose, or he's purposely avoiding contact, he's more an ass.
That said, move on and learn from the disappointment. If you're doing incall, invite your client to freshen up and count the funds while he's showering. If you're doing oucall, instruct your client to leave the donation in the bathroom and count it when you go to freshen up.
Some guys just won't they say they just did or something to that effect.
I encourage the provider to count up front, it makes for a much better session when the provider can turn her full attention to you, the hobbyist. I get a much better return for the investment if counted up front. And when that happens an extra tip from me is in order. Just my take on it.
I will not and have not ever shorted any hooker I have seen. However, I prefer those that don't expect payment up front and there are many. We have a good time, services rendered and then payment. No payment up front is the ultimate LE check and if it does turn out to be a bust well then hey at least I got laid before going to jail.
I own a small business and I get upset when I perform a service and dont get paid. I take it personally. I always verify thru P411 PM a discrepancy between a website and whats listed on P411, or TER so I dont short. This guy is a douche and if you get shorted you should let others know. Thats what Id do.
Most ladies dont count donations in front of me, they certainly would have no reason to, but if you excused yourself to use the lavatory for a moment while I sat down, presumably to double check things were okay, I would not take offense to that personally. If you're happy, I know I will be too
And you could just as easily dash out the door which has happened to me when I first started and didn't insist on upfront payment.
That's a benefit of the qv. Only 3 to 4 twenties to count so no risk of short changing lol!
You are getting a lot of good advice here by more seasoned folks than my self. I am sorry this happened to you. The big takeaways on your issue are:
1. What's done is done, learn from it and move forward. If you decide to count up front, as uncomfortable for all that might be, that is your business to do so. A real gentleman would never mind that you do. This is supposed to be fun, and safe.
2. Alert other providers as best you can so it does not happen to them. Obviously you would not be a good reference if he is dumb enough to use you.
3. Always trust your gut, it will very rarely lead you astray. Was there anything that was possibly a red flag before you met him, that you may have discarded because he had a lot of references? Again a learning opportunity.
4. Finally, more for the gentleman out there. I am hearing more and more stories about assholes using the gentleman moniker. We have a duty to all of these beautiful women we have in Phoenix to help them to be safe as well. Sharing information will help us all to be safer.
This is supposed to be fun damnit!
Now back to my bourbon.
I am so sorry to hear that happened to you!
First things first you should try contacting him to make sure it wasn't a mistake at which time if it is give him an opportunity to make it right but if he has done it on purpose and doesn't respond the next step is reporting him so other providers like myself don't fall for the same trick!!!!
Like someone else mentioned if they come to you ask them to freshen up in the restroom at which time you should check the donation and if your going to them ask them to leave it in the restroom and when you arrive ask to go freshen up and check the donation at that time!!!!!
1. What's done is done, learn from it and move forward. If you decide to count up front, as uncomfortable for all that might be, that is your business to do so. A real gentleman would never mind that you do. This is supposed to be fun, and safe.
2. Alert other providers as best you can so it does not happen to them. Obviously you would not be a good reference if he is dumb enough to use you.
3. Always trust your gut, it will very rarely lead you astray. Was there anything that was possibly a red flag before you met him, that you may have discarded because he had a lot of references? Again a learning opportunity.
4. Finally, more for the gentleman out there. I am hearing more and more stories about assholes using the gentleman moniker. We have a duty to all of these beautiful women we have in Phoenix to help them to be safe as well. Sharing information will help us all to be safer.
This is supposed to be fun damnit!
+1
Now back to my bourbon.
I have read reviews where the reviewer complains when money is counted before the session.
So, what do I do??!!
I'm so sorry this happened to you...what a jerk! This is not the first time that I have heard that P411 has given that response to a girl who has complained about being shorted. I would definitely blacklist him... if you need any help on how to make sure other girls will be notified about him when they search his information, please feel free to reach out to me. My contact information is on my profile
What is the purpose of a prescreened hobby site if it invites but won't ban thieves and con artists? P411 seems to be more about the Bennies than protecting the escort. I'm saddened to hear about your story Abby. Some lessons are quickly learned and I'm sure you won't ever allow it to happen again. Just ask the dude to wash his hands in the washroom in the first 5 minutes. (so you can count the $$$)
And you may be too new to get permission to join the PO board, but feel free to contact me if you want to get the word out to the ladies in the community. This isn't the only board in the valley.
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Anna T
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Sorry, but if he doesn't respond, take Miss Page's advise on blacklisting. If it's someone new, I'd not be insulted if a provider wanted to check my donation. If I see someone new, I either leave it in the bathroom, or if in the open, head immediately to "wash my hands".
Unfortunately take this lost as a learning experience and if you are a member of VerifyHim like Madison mentioned go ahead and put an alert on him so other Providers are aware of this guy.
I would honestly advice you not to use P411as your only means of screening also.
And if you have a page on your website outlining how you would like your donation received(envelope), and placed when the client comes to see you, you need to make sure all new clients read your protocol page and adhere by it.
If they don't read it and attempt to do what this guy did, You get the donation and excuse yourself to go to the bathroom, kitchen for water, anywhere where you can count the donation to make sure it's all there.
Business is Business and sometimes we slip but I'm sure after this you will find a very easy and respectful way to make sure your donation is all there.
Peace&Blessing
Gina will close your account if you blacklist and include their p411 ID.