Excuse my rant.... but I need to know what you guys and gals think maybe it will add some insight to my thought.
Im totally not talking about the gay boys in drag or the guys who dress and are gay for pay. I am talking about the quality girls who actually provide a quality service and use there real pictures. I find it very disturbing that people will call your phone and offer 60-100 for full service I think its insane. Consider what it is to be a girl in the business. Hair, Nails, Scrubs, Lotions, Perfume, Shoes, Doctor visits (hormones, check-up, etc..) Lingerie, Make-up, Hotel 3.5-5 star, Flights, ad, Thats over a 1500 to 2000 there and thats not considering bills or if your saving to get surgery. So then they go to some cheap chick, drug addict, or gay boy and have an awful experience get robbed/ up-sold or what have you and now there treating everyone like trash. Have you ever heard of you get what you pay for. How could you complain when your not paying top dollar for not getting quality service. Dont you want to have a piece of mind that your provider doesnt see everyone or subject themselves to doing anything for a dollar so that doesnt subject you to god knows what kind of STDs and STIs. Im sure most of us have seen the movie Wolf on Wall street and if you havent you most check it out! HOWEVER Leo described his hobby and the class of girl as the following: Theres escorts who are clean, beautiful, smart and you want to be seen in public with full GFE. They're usually 500 upscale. Then you have the 300 which will give you what you want but nothing more than they feel. Finally theres the drug addicted whores who you may have to get a antibiotic shot after you see them and those are the girls you pay 100 or less. Not verbatim but you get the point. Guys choose wisely most of you guys are business men or understand the concept of business so treat it as such. A lot us of dont only enjoy sex but this contributes to our lively hood. Be respectful Be generous! It gets you far
Hey Liv, good to see you back on the board, and sorry to hear you're a bit frustrated (as you know I'm a fan). I think overall what you're saying is true and that you get what you pay for (and you're amazing) and I think most hobbyists know that to be the case and realize the expense you girls undertake in your journey. I think the only debate is what "top" dollar for a quality girl should be, or probably more accurately, what is top dollar for a given hobbyist considering their economic situation. If you see one girl a month at 500, you're talking about 6k a year...that's a lot of donations no matter who you are. That said, the market will ultimately determine these things....but look at it this way, you're so damn hot that the fellas want you even if they can't afford you and are driven to try.
Not that there are not some fun times to be had for cheap...but...imo...it's usually not worth it.
With gg ' s, I know that to see the type of girl I want to see, I'm going to be dishing out at least 500
I think 500 is out of reach for most guys on a regular basis. There are many quality girls in the 200-300 range.
I understand you frustration with being offered $60-100 when your posted rates are far higher. The truth is that lowballing girls works sometimes. Even with "high end" girls. Guys do it because they figure they have nothing to lose by asking...
As for "getting what you pay for"...? Patent bullshit in my opinion. I've had girls that I paid $100 for and have been gorgeous and had great sessions with them, and I've paid well more than that and had lousy sessions and found the girls unattractive. Cost is NOT a guarantee of quality of service. If I were buying a car, that statement would be accurate. The fact is we're paying for a service, and a highly intimate one. The variables on that service make it almost impossible to be certain of what you'll get, and in my experience a girl's rates are not the best indicator. Reviews are helpful, but reviews are highly subjective and written about a single visit. Reviews over time are helpful, but again, not perfect. Everyone has a bad day. Sometimes people don't mesh. I've seen well reviewed girls and been underwhelmed and seen poorly reviewed girls and been overjoyed. The fact is that the only real way to know if the session will be good is to do it.
You mention the concept of business but isn't that what you're objecting to? Someone trying to get more service for less money...haggle and get a good price? That's something I do in my line of work every day. Sales always includes discussion of price, you either say yes or no, and that's it.
That is a great point which is why I always prefer to hit a club to find a date. You can talk to several girls at a club and see who you click with before deciding who to leave with that night. That works the other way too as the girls see who they like. I would say that you have a much higher rate of having a great time or session leaving from a club versus cold calling a girl based solely on reviews because as timotl points out tastes vary. I've also never left a club and had a rushed session because most of the time its late and girls are done for the night anyway.
As for the haggling on rates I don't do it at all but in exchange for respecting the asking price I don't want any upselling. How often have you guys have a girl quote you one rate but then you get to the room and if you want to do this or that then it is another $100.
I understand where you're coming from on some of your points I do. Think about it tho you pay for good quality that's what you expect that's what you should get. You can't go to Beverly Hills and haggle but you sure can go downtown and get what you want for very cheap (not quality material, may fade when washed etc.) or how about this you pay a guy that is "cheap to do your new wood floor he does a terrible job what do you do now? Call the guy with the higher quote because he has to deliver. Some things just aren't meant to be haggled. Intimacy "GFE" is not one. -I'm my opinion. Talking to some girls when they get what they ask for it makes them want to satisfy and exceed expectations to keep you coming back! That's the idea
"People love Your work until they have to pay for it." -unknown
As for "getting what you pay for"...? Patent bullshit in my opinion. I've had girls that I paid $100 for and have been gorgeous and had great sessions with them, and I've paid well more than that and had lousy sessions and found the girls unattractive. Cost is NOT a guarantee of quality of service. If I were buying a car, that statement would be accurate. The fact is we're paying for a service, and a highly intimate one. The variables on that service make it almost impossible to be certain of what you'll get, and in my experience a girl's rates are not the best indicator. Reviews are helpful, but reviews are highly subjective and written about a single visit. Reviews over time are helpful, but again, not perfect. Everyone has a bad day. Sometimes people don't mesh. I've seen well reviewed girls and been underwhelmed and seen poorly reviewed girls and been overjoyed. The fact is that the only real way to know if the session will be good is to do it.
You mention the concept of business but isn't that what you're objecting to? Someone trying to get more service for less money...haggle and get a good price? That's something I do in my line of work every day. Sales always includes discussion of price, you either say yes or no, and that's it.
As for haggling, I don't do it and I hate sliding price scales for escorts. That VIP bullshit is what scammers do. I love a girl who posts one rate that includes everything. That way, I can make my decision and not worry about the irritation of discussing money during fun time. Haggling is the customer version of upselling, which is the most irritating thing an escort can do (well, maybe rushing is...), so I imagine haggling is just as irritating for providers
If the guys start to ask & then haggle, These girls just hang up, End of discussion.
Based on their experiences, they said, "It's not worth it". There's always the next one.
And most of these cheap guys who haggle just come to see them once anyway.
If you let them haggle & pay you cheaper, somehow you'll find out they pay other girls higher etc.
And if you give them an inch, they want a mile.
And those gentlemen who come and never haggle, are the ones who usually become their regulars and repeat a lot.
So, they just stick to their guns.
And They never discuss or see anyone who mentions or haggles about Roses/$$$. Besides mentioning prices are bad for escorts in terms of L.E.
So They just set their price and stick with it, and they put something like this in their ads.
"If you mention about $$$, I'll hang up".
And I see those girls do very good. I guess somehow you just gotta know how to be firmed
It's a free market. Girls should ask for as much as they feel the market will bear. You don't need to mention expenses,
everyone in business has expenses...although not everyone in business is clearing between 4 and 10,000 a week tax free
dollars...lots of sephora can be bought with that kind of dough with plenty left over. I think haggling is often a guys way of
saying...I want it but it's not worth what your asking for it. My way of saying that is not to call 500 an hr girls. In a free market I can usually find what I am looking for for a price I feel the experience is worth to me w/o haggling.
Im totally not talking about the gay boys in drag or the guys who dress and are gay for pay. I am talking about the quality girls who actually provide a quality service and use there real pictures. I find it very disturbing that people will call your phone and offer 60-100 for full service I think its insane. Consider what it is to be a girl in the business. Hair, Nails, Scrubs, Lotions, Perfume, Shoes, Doctor visits (hormones, check-up, etc..) Lingerie, Make-up, Hotel 3.5-5 star, Flights, ad, Thats over a 1500 to 2000 there and thats not considering bills or if your saving to get surgery.
So then they go to some cheap chick, drug addict, or gay boy and have an awful experience get robbed/ up-sold or what have you and now there treating everyone like trash. Have you ever heard of you get what you pay for. How could you complain when your not paying top dollar for not getting quality service. Dont you want to have a piece of mind that your provider doesnt see everyone or subject themselves to doing anything for a dollar so that doesnt subject you to god knows what kind of STDs and STIs.
Im sure most of us have seen the movie Wolf on Wall street and if you havent you most check it out! HOWEVER Leo described his hobby and the class of girl as the following: Theres escorts who are clean, beautiful, smart and you want to be seen in public with full GFE. They're usually 500 upscale. Then you have the 300 which will give you what you want but nothing more than they feel. Finally theres the drug addicted whores who you may have to get a antibiotic shot after you see them and those are the girls you pay 100 or less. Not verbatim but you get the point.
Guys choose wisely most of you guys are business men or understand the concept of business so treat it as such. A lot us of dont only enjoy sex but this contributes to our lively hood. Be respectful Be generous! It gets you far!