I think this is the reason why they could not arrest the guy. Since the guy was detained leaving the hotel room and not free to go, if they didn't Mirandize the guy, then his statements would be suppressed, but only against a criminal case against him. However, the provider doesn't have standing to suppress statements the guy made against her, and thus this does not violate her Miranda rights, so there would be probable cause to arrest the provider only in this fact pattern. In order to convict the provider, the guy would have to appear for court to testify against the provider. Which means he would have to be served with a subpoena and comply with the subpoena at risk of being held in contempt of court (possibly jailed until the trial date) if he does not comply.
Mesa Bust More details and new guy bust
I was getting some initial information from various folks but the escort in question has contacted me and we had a long discussion about the event. Key points:
She believes that she was not the main target but was adjacent to other arrests at the same hotel. She heard officer say to clear the (other) room thinking more than just one escort at the main sting.
The hotel was the old Dobson Ranch off 1-60 at Dobson which is now a Ramada Inn.
She believes the client was spotted going from car into room while watching or setting up the other sting.
At the end of the session when opened door they were met by 5 police officers.
She wants to point out that the guys that say they would never talk to police, may change their tune if threatened with being handcuffed, arrested and booked into jail. Or, admit you had a prostitution deal and you can go free. In this case the "elderly" regular client felt so bad he is paying her legal fees to try and get a diversion program.
She immediately disconnected her phone which I had confirmed. If the police look at calls on her phone, she jokes that most of their names will be "ignore" from the idiot calls she often gets from BP.
She is not active on P411 although may have some reviews so should be no P411 risk.
Just as I finished this - get a note from a guy:
"Hi Dave. I got busted for soliciting a prostitute. I contacted her on BP and went to her hotel. I have never been arrested before, so this is all new to me...They have my texts saying I wanted bj and sex. They have the donation that I brought..."
Trying to get more details on where etc.
I know the horse has left the barn, but why would you text that type of information when contacting a provider? Sorry about the provider though, wrong place wrong time. Be safe out there.
Many guys refuse to accept what they don't want to believe. All some guys care about is sex and not the risk especially to companions Some just want happy news and not be informed of the real world situation.
It is quite easy to avoid doing anything illegal - don't discuss sex for money. Harder for escorts whose ads or websites themselves have been deemed solicitation.
Sugar daddies/babies don't have that risk at least according to the recent ruling from Calf U.S. Court, as long as there is a social element which the judge discussed at length. The judge did long discussion that it does not apply to prostitution. That decision will be appealed to the 9th.
Ignorance. Other than most folks active on boards or private backdoor lists, that get honest information few guys think there is any real risk.
Many guys refuse to accept what they don't want to believe. All some guys care about is sex and not the risk especially to companions Some just want happy news and not be informed of the real world situation.
It is quite easy to avoid doing anything illegal - don't discuss sex for money. Harder for escorts whose ads or websites themselves have been deemed solicitation.
Sugar daddies/babies don't have that risk at least according to the recent ruling from Calf U.S. Court, as long as there is a social element which the judge discussed at length. The judge did long discussion that it does not apply to prostitution. That decision will be appealed to the 9th.
"Ah, sure, but just like every other foaming, rabid psycho in this city with a foolproof plan, you've forgotten you're facing the single finest fighting force ever assembled. "
The referenced customer bust was Glendale PD
Wait so the provider should have just kept the client inside (without charge) until the LE disbursed as a security precaution. Isn't it her fault for kicking the client out immediately after the session in order to get a higher throughput of clients? They could have stayed in the hotel room until the coast was clear and LE could not have entered absent exigent circumstances, a search warrant, or consent for entry. Also I would the arrest be unlawful if it was made if LE had no right to be inside (i.e. absent a search warrant, consent, or exigent circumstances). Another thing, is that since it was a misdemeanor not committed in the presence of police then it should have been submitted for charging review instead of an immediate arrest made.
Yeah, hard for me to believe they arrested the guy just for coming out of the hotel room. What possible evidence would they have to justify an arrest? Unless they were just hoping the guy in question would start talking instead of just STFU. But an arrest seems REALLY flimsy to me in this case.
The police saw a guy go into a hotel room and come out an hour later.....So? Unless the girl was in on it and there were cameras then nothing happened inside the room thats anyones business. Its not illegal to enter a hotel room and leave an hour later...Happens millions of times a day for millions of reasons.
I think this is the reason why they could not arrest the guy. Since the guy was detained leaving the hotel room and not free to go, if they didn't Mirandize the guy, then his statements would be suppressed, but only against a criminal case against him. However, the provider doesn't have standing to suppress statements the guy made against her, and thus this does not violate her Miranda rights, so there would be probable cause to arrest the provider only in this fact pattern. In order to convict the provider, the guy would have to appear for court to testify against the provider. Which means he would have to be served with a subpoena and comply with the subpoena at risk of being held in contempt of court (possibly jailed until the trial date) if he does not comply.
...you're contradicting yourself (i.e. was she involved or was she kicking him out so she could get in more clients/gifts for the day... which is it? Pick one or the other.). Second, popo DOES NOT need a warr ent to enter a hotel room by law. If you don't open the door they have the right to just bust in if you don't answer after they knock.
I don't know what happened but LE cannot enter a hotel room unless exigent circumstances, consent, or with a search warrant.
As I understand it once you have paid for your room it becomes your home and with that all the protections afforded by law. The police can't just bust down any hotel room door. They need a warrant.
...as in your own home. If the hotel owner gives LE permission to bust down the door, that's all that's needed. I'm not sure even if LE needs a warrant to compel the hotel owner to allow the intrusion. A hotel is considered a public place for the purposes of prostitution laws and can mean the difference between a misdemeanor and a gross misdemeanor.
...information you share with Phoenix PD, Glendale PD, MCSO, the general local hobby public, etc...the list goes on and on.
Dave works closely with various LE agencies on a symbiotic information sharing agreement. They feed him information, some true, some not, Dave then spreads that info across the Valley to help them create an environment of paranoia and distrust within the community. Dave accumulates personal information about Hobbyists and Providers and shares that information with those agencies, e.g. he will give LE tips about Providers who are advertising without possessing an escort license.
As you can see from this post, he is zealous in revealing confidential information given to him, in trust, by a Provider and by a Hobbyist. He even goes so far as practically naming the hotel where this event took place in order to damage their reputation and their livelihood.
where do you come up with all this fantasy?
Why on earth are you slandering me with total lies?
Welcome you to contact me by e-mail.
In support of Drumsticks it is public record that Dave has campaigned against security techniques to keep hobbyists safe.
Again, don't give private info to providers, which would prevent them from giving info to Dave, which would prevent Dave leaking to the government.
Why on earth are you slandering me with total lies?
Welcome you to contact me by e-mail.
...and it's very telling that what you say in your postings demonstrate that you have no training, no experience and no education in criminal or civil law. Yet, you try to make everyone think you're some sort of legal Swami who's advice should be sought if they should have any chance of staying out of trouble. Ummm...Phoenix is really no more risky to play in than many other major cities and players seem to get by just fine without your lame and already commonly known advice. We don't need you here on a major TER Discussion Board. Go Away!!
And, the more you post, the more background information surfaces about your lies, misrepresentation and efforts to damage reputations of hobbyists and Providers alike. Shame on you!!
I kind of like the trial reporting from Dave, kind of like the Anderson Cooper of poon - on scene at the important trials... He just needs an uplink and a video phone to post court interviews on youtube relating to poon trials.
And, the more you post, the more background information surfaces about your lies, misrepresentation and efforts to damage reputations of hobbyists and Providers alike. Shame on you!!
And, the more you post, the more background information surfaces about your lies, misrepresentation and efforts to damage reputations of hobbyists and Providers alike. Shame on you!!
Having been a paid subscriber to Dave's list for a number of years, I appreciate the work having gone into the amount of research he has provided. Until you actually gather information from City, County, or State records and distill them into a format that the person with a 12th grade education can understand, STFU you fcking pinheads.
I have access to Federal court databases, and I thank him for what he's done for the community.
If you have aluminum foil hat implants, please keep posting how he is part of the LE community, or he's part of the Trilateral Commission, and he conducts Alien Probes on behalf of Dick Cheney.
If you want to flame me, go FO&Die. You are wasting your time. You won't convince me to change my mind, just like I won't change your mind against voting for Canadian Rafael "No dildos no jack off" Cruz or Adolph Drumpf. Sorry.
rst of all how much does the private list cost? Everytime drama is stirred up, and false statements and perjury are suborned by Dave, he gets more subscribers and thereby more profits from the private list and why would anyone pay for it? Makes no sense. Are you paying for protection by paying Dave? If you are a member of the private list do you get immunity from false accusations?
Guys:
Just use common sense, don't cause disturbances or do anything to get noticed, remember your 5th amendment rights (I invoke my right to remain silent, and I want an attorney), and you'll be fine except for unpredictable twists of fate (life). So will the providers if they follow the above.
GJ
First of all how much does the private list cost?