That almost the same thing that happen to me. Only my incident was INCALL. Ofcourse having a motel room is just a good as fly by night possibilties. That is one thing I am going to avoid in the future.
Also you are right about one thing for sure. This woman was willing to provide some service like Modeling dancing or dressing in lingerie, but no phyical contact. She was not worthing any modeling fee unless it was $50 dollars (fifty) 
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Thank you for your response too Ma'am.
Often the very first contact a man will have with a female provider is the the phone call. Right then your screening process should begin. I know that, but sometimes I am not sure of the rules.
I was jilted over the weekend as I tried to stage a session. I understand the high of sexual anticipation can blind a man to being safe sometimes. Maybe that was me. I read a basic LINE ad in one of the Los Angeles Area adult newspapers in which a female provider basically advertised that she was solo and provided all "inclusive service." I contacted her on the phone and she seem friendly and nice enough. I tried to ask her about specific what she did. She repectful told me that she did not get into that over the phone. I had to see her in person. She did tell me the price was about $200 dollars. When I got down in the area she directed me to. I gave her a call, and she had me go to her classy motel room. Once in side she only repeated that what she did was all inclusive. She told me she does not do anything illegal. I took that she just did not want to admit to prostitution. She told me that payment was in advance. I told her I also like to roll play. I brought in a plasic toy gun and some light scarfs to play around. She said she was worried about the gun and said she had to clear it with her security. The phone rang and she pick up. She said. ...."my client has what is obviously a toy gun and I was wondering was that safe"...... She told me 30 minutes for a half hour and the upper 100 range for a full hour. I hear her said...."Then it's ok". She hung up and said she was sorry about that but her security is very tight. I paid her the money and then she told me what did I want to roleplay. I explained that I like to do a light bondage scene and a female patdown scene. She began to frown at me and said city ordinance prohibit me from comming in phyical contact. She would act out those fantasies for me if I want to, but I must not touch her. I told her that was riduclous, the whole thing behing this fantasies is phyical contact. I knew then sex was out of the question, but I was still willing to give it a try if she would let me freely touch her as we played the roleplaying. She absolutely refused. I told her I have only been in there 5 minutes. I told her that she said a half hour cost $100. I told her she can keep the half hour as a tip and just give me $60 dollar back and I will leave. She said that sounds reasonable, but I have to clear it with my people. She picked up the phone and called explaining that I wanted a partial refund and that my request was very resonable. About 4 minutes later the phone rang and you could here her said. "Oh...one he paid for the full hour, that money was non refundable". So she refuse to give me my money back. I told her it was a rip off. I also told her I would report this to the manager of the hotel. I leave went down to the manager and spill my guts right down to showing him that ad. He told me he has had trouble and the police calle out with this woman. As I was talking to him, she could be scene headed to her car with her bag. He told me she would never be welcome in that hotel again. Did not help me get my money but she is banned from that location. With all of that said my questions are
1.When you contact a provider by phone what should you asked her?
2.What do you do it she said "doesn't discuss details over the phone?"
3. If a provider says she is independant as shows signs she is working with someone, like so-call security, do you split?
Or do you just take your chances? There must be some general rules so that you know you have the maximum chance of meeting a great woman to play your fantasies or to have a great time in bed together?
Thanks for any help you can provide, or comments.
I am going to take a guess and say she is not reviewed here. The way she called "Security" and had to ask if it was ok makes this whole scenario seem as though she was LE, yet you did not get busted.
1.When you contact a provider by phone what should you asked her?
A. Are you available today @ 8PM for 3 hours?
2.What do you do it she said "doesn't discuss details over the phone?"
A. Neither do I
3. If a provider says she is independant as shows signs she is working with someone, like so-call security, do you split?
A. It may just be someone looking out for her which is understandable. But, in your situation it was a definite bait & switch tactic. Promising 1 thing in the ad and not delivering when you arrived.
Don't use these stupid newspaper ads, AMPs. Strip clubs or other low coast ways to meet nice women. There are dozens of independents reviewed by these services. Better yet, ask others on this board for solid recommendations. There is no major city where at least one guy on TER or the other services would not make a recommendation. If you are into some special kind of king, expect to pay more than $$. There are many providers who would love to get into your role plays. You have a champagne diet and a beer budget. Stick with reliable sources and play safe.
I do appricate your advice by you are wrong if you think the only place I can find a nice fun woman to play with is through high class reviews. If anything I would get a discount. I am man in which "Mechanical sex" with a woman is too boring. I must have some time of roleplay or scenes to do with. If a woman feels confortable with you inside of her, she will be even more at ease with you gently touching her in variety of scenes. Like pretend bondage. I have had some terrific satisfing time with a few streetwalkers in my time. One of the best was a girl name Alexis a beautiful blonde who was terrific at role play.
If I can get a good review on this board "TER" on a woman in my price range $150 to $200. Then I take it.
Thank you
I feel ya, but SWs are too much of a risk at any price. I mean yeah, they may do well at your games and cost a lot less, but a buddy of mine did a few until one night, he got 'rolled' by a pimp and his buddy who trailed them and kicked down the door of their motel room. He got a black eye and was out $$$ plus the money he paid for a seemingly low cost date. If you find what you are looking for in these ads, you've got to love it, but my luck usually goes the other way. Plus, many of these so-called providers are looking to dupe some guy whose intention is to get his rocks off. Be careful.
I see a So it was a "bait and switch". Thank you for that honest opinion. However on the subject of discussing details over the phone. I know some woman in my past have discussed some general term over the phone. Like one provider said to me once. "When you come down here....we will get all naked and have a great time". In this case the woman used the words "All Inclusive.
Thanks again.
Read the reviews and you won't get ripped off.
I think you are right. I do have a budget I want to follow when paying. But if I can find a good woman through the review here that is pretty, lively, fun and in my price range. Yes this may be the best way. Become a VIP member and read the review.
I dunno. It sounds like she was new to the provider scene and you scared her with your plastic gun and scarves. I think you should have been more discerning in your choice of provider. For what you had in mind, you needed someone more mature who's already seen it all. I think you also acted immaturely with your report to the hotel manager. There wasn't enough money involved to be so cavalier. She is a human being, man. You scared her.
Why would you bring a toy gun and scarfs?
But what do I know?
Cowboys and Indians? Hate to say this but expecting a bondage roleplay from a woman plucked from a one-line newspaper ad is asking for trouble. Lucky you got out intact less a few dollars. Consider it money spent on your escort education.
Sorry that you got ripped off. If she has an internet ad that TER can link to, you can post a rip-off review.
About a year ago I read an article written by a woman who claimed to have made a ton of money as an escort without ever doing anything sexual.
During the initial phone call, she was very sexy on the phone. Without going into details (no one can do that, legit escort or not), she promised "the best night of your life", "you won't be disappointed", "I can hardly wait to meet you" etc.
At the hotel, she arrived with a male driver (even though she denied having one on the phone if you asked), and asked for the money up front. Then she proceeded to a topless strip-tease. As soon as the client asked to touch her or have her do a BJ, she got offended, informed him that was an illegal act and she was NOT a prostitute.
At that point, usually the client got frustrated or angry. Then the driver came in and took the girl away. Total time in the hotel room: 5-10 minutes.
Sometimes to speed the matter up, the girl would ask immediately what the man had in mind (after payment, of course). As soon as he said anything sexual, she jumped into her "I don't do anything illegal" routine, causing an angry client. Then she got to leave without even taking off her top.
Unfortunately these rip-off scenerio's are still going on. ;(
That almost the same thing that happen to me. Only my incident was INCALL. Ofcourse having a motel room is just a good as fly by night possibilties. That is one thing I am going to avoid in the future.
Also you are right about one thing for sure. This woman was willing to provide some service like Modeling dancing or dressing in lingerie, but no phyical contact. She was not worthing any modeling fee unless it was $50 dollars (fifty) ))
Thank you for your response too Ma'am.
I am shocked that no one's reply was.......'you went to the front desk?!!!' Did you REALLY think the hotel manager was going to go up to the Ladies room and politely or not so politely say, 'hey, give this nice man his money back. He did not know what he was doing?!" I hate to tell you but you are lucky she didn't go into detail what she does or doesn't do for money. THAT is illegal!! It sounds like you need to learn a bit more before you try this again. There are lots of great articles out there on the web that can help you.
And just because she did not feel comfortable with the whole toy gun thingie does not make her a rip off. I do agree that is very strange for her to call someone to ask if SHE can play with a toy gun. LOL But I have always been independent so maybe thats how agencies do it?? But I don't see how someone would have to ask someone else if its alright. Either she feels comfortable or not.
I am sorry that you felt taken advantage of but going to the front desk and tattlin' it not going to get you anywhere. Sometimes you just have to chalk it up as an experience and move on.......much wiser. And from now on...do research instead of just picking a one line ad and going from there. You gotta do your homework if you expect a nice school session.
Candy
I did not even get that far, I could not read the fractured english of the origional post and endure reading it to the end.
When I got to the toy gun and scarves part, that pretty much sealed it as a weird one for me.
Duuuuuuuuude! What the heck were you thinking? Going down to the front desk? Sorry to hear about your loss but that toy gun and scarf thing would give me the willies too if I had no idea that you were into some roleplaying! Especially if I had never met you before.
I once had a guy right before our session pull out a fake police badge! He thought it would be funny to tell me he was a cop right before we started. Part of his "role playing." Thank God for those acting lessons! I looked him right in the eye and said, "What's going on?" in a very calm voice. Needless to say, he didn't get his groove on!
Under stand she agreed to the roleplaying! she examined the toys and approved before payment! She claimed to have experience in roleplaying. I was a victim and she was the criminal in this bait and switch fraud.
I suppose if I want to play house with you, would get the willies too? Sex is borring a too mechanical for me, and thousands of women do rolplay. You will never stop me or them.
Thanks anyway.
No I did not expect to get my money back, I expect and got her black balled from that motel. I did not expect to get my money back that. Some men would have beat the shit out her. and let her keep the money. She was a heartless woman.
Toot Toot Ca Choo
agree with the folks who say "That's what TER is for" and even with the ones that think she might have been with LE. And I agree with the ones that say you were a bit foolish to go to the hotel manager. (Perhaps you just meant to follow through on some spontanious threat to the woman, bluff her out. But the way you wrote about this is making me think you don't know what you're doing yet.)
And when THAT thought entered my mind I thought maybe you haven't been on TER long enough to know how to use it and this whole thread should be on the NEWBIE board.
So Cotty, at the risk of insulting you, cause I don't mean to at all, Did you know there's a search engine on this site that will help you find a gal in your price range, city and general physical descriptions? There isn't a button for role-playing but dang if there aren't countless reviews to read and stories to weed through. With a few hours of horny reading I bet you'd find a doozy of a gal and you won't have to talk about activities or money over the phone ever...and you'll have a rockin' good time pointing squirt guns and snappin' ropes and blindfolds and strap-ons and...(sorry, you didn't say anything about blindfolds and strap-ons...that was just me...sorry..)
I'm stating the obvious, Cotman, cause I love you like a brother and you'd do the same for me.
No...no...no I am not going to the Newbie board. Not with my succesful experience with women. All you need is a will partner even is she has little experience I am looking for regulars so that I don't have to go through this. Even regular streetwalker are safe. I have never been rip of by a regular.
Now you have given some great advice. I was once a member her and payed $20 dollars for the month. I did not like it because I did not know how to use it. I was just getting into search engine part of it. Your advice does sound sexy. Imagine it... I can find a woman with the looks and the price range that I like.
A..."With a few hours of horny reading I bet you'd find a doozy of a gal and you won't have to talk about activities or money over the phone ever...and you'll have a rockin' good time pointing squirt guns.... ---That is what you wrote.
Sound good I think I will become a VIP member again, but first I have to recover my loses from this last incident.
Thanks for the advice and encouragment...yes would do the same for you.
financially. Then you'll earn a free month. Then you can put that 20 dollars a month to buying your lady friends their very own squirt gun! (Fill it with Merlot)
1. Its bad business for the provider to discuss specifics. LE and all.
2. Also, getting into role play and light bondage is iffy unless you know the provider well.
3. If the provider is asking her security anything, its a good bet you will be disappointed, or worse meaning pimp.
Do your research before contacting a provider.
The toy gun would have been enough for me to call off the date. But, why did you got to the hotel manager?
Sara
Hi Sara
You ask a question Sara and I wanted to make sure you got the answer Dear. You say the production of a little plastic child's gun would be enough to call the date off. Then that only mean you are so closed minded you are not open to fantasy like that. I use to play cops and robbers with the little girls. I know play it with adult women. You would not say I hated little girls because I played the game then you should not suggest I hate adult women because I played the game.
Now you ask why did I go to the manger. I started to go to the police to make a report of fraud. It is illegal to say you give massages and can't produce a license for that . She took my $160 dollars I know men that would have beat the crap out of her or killed her for what she done for me. I want to strike back at her, but in a legal way. I went to the manger. Do you think that useless? You think that is harmless? She lied to him about what she was doing in the room. He has banned her from that room. If I would have went to the police, at least I would have a true name on her. It hurts to write that off as a lose. I hate her for that. I am sorry I did not do more to her than just report the evil heartless villianess.
You said you would have call of the date when I ask to bring in a toy gun...fine...but she said it was ok....she did not call of the date...she only wanted to steal my money.
Sincerly Easyman.