Thanks Karina. Next time You are in Tampa, love to meet You
I have noticed different tribute rates for incall and VIP incall. What is the difference, what does VIP involve that a standard incall would not?
usually it means she will cum. i find it a big ol ripoff
Well every girl works different, I offer two rates as well Regular and VIP and I never ripped anybody off, This has been discussed here before. When is a regular session everything is on the menu for you without kisses, and one time pop, when is a VIP includes GFE kisses, sensual massage, DFK if asked, plus multiples pops and a happy ending, but like I said not all of us work the same way I really don't know what other girls offer on VIP, that's something you need to ask before you make an appointment. I hope that helps
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Thanks Karina. Next time You are in Tampa, love to meet You
Yes bby for a VIP or regular Session? lol Just joking, I will treat you like a king papi regardless of what you choose. I will be traveling to florida very soon mid July, please check my calendar as always post on there first. I look forward to meeting you soon! DFK xoxo
with a nice response like that Karina, no other choice but a SUPER VIP. Don't forget about me and I will be looking for you. You will be my first. and I am a submissie....
... the price and not much else, usually.
How some providers play it if they're clever is in the link.
I disagree with you Sserviceman, if you find a good provider well reviewed in the business that offers two rates regular and VIP that should not happen. The things mentioned on that link is not my case, I never try to get a client to pick VIP service over regular just to make more money as the matter of a fact I don't even ask them over the phone or in person if they like a VIP or regular session, usually the client tell me this is for a VIP or regular. I have both rates on my ad and website it clearly says what’s on the VIP, if the gentleman decides to go with a regular session that's fine with me I will treat him the same way as if it was a VIP but without GFE and the other things I mention on my other post. I always do my best to leave a smile on your face no matter whether you are paying for a VIP or not I want you to have fun, but this is a business and just like every other if you'd like to have more fun or get the very best experience then it cost a little more honey. Is the same every where you go, when I go the nail salon they give me 4 different prices Deluxe, Paraffin, Stone, and French, same with hair salon they won't do me a Deluxe pedicure for the price of a regular, I don't do it all the time but when I want to be pampered and relax f%%ck it I pay it. Now if you visit a provider and pay for a VIP and she doesn't deliver as promise, I understand why you are saying that, but if you like to stick to the one rate Escorts and that makes you happy and you still have good experience just keep doing it. For the gent that asked bout VIP and regular sessions I suggest you to talk to her first and ask what she offers on her VIP and also do some research, check for reviews to make sure that her VIP is worth paying for if that's what you decided you session to be.
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"... stick to the one rate Escorts ... that makes [me] happy and ... still have [a] good experience"
See, here are the reasons.
1) You may be the exception, but most advertising VIP do not state, even in general terms, what the difference is so the clueless customer can know whether to 'upgrade'. They cleverly leave that part vague probably so they can do a 'cold read' on the prospect, adjust the VIP definition and pocket the premium profit enhancer.
2) Based on reviews of those who use this marketing tactic (as your accurate analogy with nail salon services illustrated), most give VIP services that are more or less the same as the market provides for substantially less 'roses'. (Luv that term, so ersatz genteel.) I know, I know you're special but you seem to have a perspective on the general market terrain, so I mention it.
3) This may be a personal preference, but I enjoy myself way more if the money is forgotten about once the action begins, so I prefer not to deal with 'incremental-ists' who market their favors like cafeteria plan employer benefits. I don't want to be that conscious of whether what I'm doing was included in the standard plan, the VIP plan, the enhanced VIP+ plan or the Platinum Premium Universal Utopian plan.
I believe every business has market tactics, hello! and every one run their business the way they want to, you call us to have fun that is what this is all about besides making money at least that's the way I think, but at the end like I said this is a business and if you don't like how some girls advertise VIP/NON VIP or whatever you just call another girl as simple as that, which is what you do anyways but I’m just saying. What I said on my other post is true, most of the gentleman's that call me ask me for a VIP and they leave happy and satisfied. I don't know about other girls what they do or what they don't but I’m talking for myself, I do what I promise! I tried looking for some reviews from you to see some of your experiences with TSs but you have never reviewed a transsexuals only GGs huh? It is appreciated when you show you enjoyed your time with the provider with a nice review! EOM
Well, Karina, I HAVE seen and reviewed transsexuals and I can say that the majority use VIP as a scam and a way to chisel money out of fools. I'm not accusing you of this as your reviews show you to be an honest provider, however YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION!!!! VIP is total bullshit. I believe it is a dishonest way to conduct business unless there is a menu associated with the different service levels for the different prices, which the majority do not have. When you go to the salon and there are different service levels available, you are well aware of what you are getting for your money BEFORE you pay it!!!
In my experience it is totally arbitrary. I actually avoid girls who post multiple rates as a matter of principle. Every customer should be a VIP in my opininion.
When I see a VIP rate I think scam, upsell, rip off. If the provider is so good why can't she attract enough clients who will pay the VIP rate so as to make the "Unimportant Person" rate unecessary? You rarely see a VIP rate offered by reputable gg's unless it's for a non-standard service like anal, fetish, domination, ect.
The duel rate structure seems to exist for two shady purposes: (1) to attract clients who will pay for VIP and also attract clients based on what will really be accepted (e.g., both groups get the same thing for different prices) and (2) to use the lower rate to entice the customer into the door and then give crap/limited service unless he upgrades.
I know there are good TS providers who offer the VIP rate, but there are enough of the bad ones to call the whole practice into doubt. If they want to offer non-standard services at an extra cost why not phrase it in such a way that the customer doesn't feel compelled to buy the larger package unless he really wants the extra service (I.e, fetish, bondage, TS cums, ect.)? Just my two cents.
Agree.... I see VIP ads and think of scams. I avoid them. I suspect none of these advertisers know what business they potentially lose (maybe some do OK and do not need more...).
Also there is a bit of hypocrisy in an ad that implies "no [sexual] talk, or whatever" .... then what is a customer to do to get a direct (and truthful) answer about VIP. Just advertise it!
When I order a new car with a vip-like package, I know exactly what I am getting and can evaluate whether the cost is worth it
Im intrigued, so I have a question for you guys if you find two providers that you like, one has only one rate for 500 and the other girl has 200 regular and 300 VIP and you really like this girls, you want to visit one of them, which one will you pick ? Is this about the price you are arguing about or is it the "VIP" Concept that you don't like?
I don't find a very well reviewed and honest provider offering two rates or VIP scam at all. I never upsell or try to get anyone to shoose VIP over regular, for me kissing GFE and happy ending is VIP, and I won't change that just because some people don't like it. I consider kissing very intimate and most of the times guys have bad breath, and for us to finish when requested is hard we can't fake it like GGs, that we are cuming, and you can't compare GGs with transexuals not even if they are the most popular and reputable ones, we are special girls with something extra otherwise you wouldn't be looking for us right? so therefore the last two things I mentioned are extra and that's on my VIP. I will treat all my clients the same no matter if they are paying VIP or not, I won't be like don't do this don't do that, that's not the way I do it but again Im only speaking for myself. I would say 98% of the time you guys never tip us even if you had the best time of you life.
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Karina, it seems like you're trying to justify your pricing system here on the boards. On your website, the text in the "about me" section states "I provide a true GFE experience" yet in the rates section, GFE is only included in the VIP rate. So, do you provide a true GFE experience to everyone or is that only for VIPs? Nowhere on your website is it mentioned that you will cum, aka "happy ending", during the VIP session. You simply give 2 rates, one is $300 for incall, while the other is $400 for VIP/GFE. So if a guy doesn't want to kiss but does want cum, is it $350? Where is the breakdown? Why not just post a menu? Your website also mentions that you cannot discuss sex over the phone so the client is left to wonder whether to see you for $300 and risk disappointment or see you for $400. You are championing the VIP cause but on your own website it is inconsistent and unclear!!!
So even you, Karina Secret, a very well reviewed provider has a confusing and ambiguous website regarding her VIP service. Now imagine how confusing it becomes when we are talking about an unreviewed girl, or if a guy who does not use TER were to see you or another "VIP" girl, or if the girl had no website to shed clarity on the subject of her pricing. I'm certain that the majority of prospective clients don't use TER so we're really talking about the majority of customers here. They go to see a girl and she upsells them, or withholds service until they pay more, or the guy simply pays the VIP rate to ensure he gets what he wants even though he would with the standard rate... These are the things that happen with providers, of course never with you, but it happens a lot. What should those people who have been in those situations then think about "VIP" service?
Also, if you look at the ads of the girls who post "VIP" service, they are generally scams. Phony pictures, no reviews, no number history, etc. Very few legitimate providers advertise multiple rates. You love it, and it works for you, we get that. For the MAJORITY of girls it is a fucking scam. I just looked at Eros here in Chicago, and there are 5 girls advertising so called "VIP" rates out of 45 girls in total. Of them, 4 are total fucking scams using fake pictures!!! Doesn't that tell you something? Scammers use VIP to get guys to bring more money with the hope that if they can scam them out of $300, they can scam them out of $400. That's how it works.
So, you have your business model which you defend vigorously and it works well for you. That's great. I will continue to hold to my principles regarding "VIP" and will continue to express my opinions about that here on the boards. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... 
I guess i already knew the answer
Just like Tia Phonixx I did not VIP before, thats something I started doing not to long ago, and yes you are correct it is not on my website, but it is when you go to my Eros ads it says what's on the VIP/ Im still working on it, the guy that help me with my site is no where to be found so I don't know how to change things on there, My point is that I'm not scam and you guys talk about VIP scam in general and is not true, some of us are not.
I found this from Tia Phoenixx on a discussion about this same subject, for the girls that truly provide with a good service and offer two rates.
This is for the girls, especially the new girls who have just started the business:
First off, most guys, the executive type, are not an active members of the board like this, they may lurk to find info and that's all about it.
So if they are posting everyday, day and night, we know exactly who they are and where they are coming from.
thanks God, these guys are the minority. Most of our good clients are too busy to participate in this board, so don't be afraid to charge extra money for specialty or special service that require more effort in doing so.
Remember this is a service orientated business after all.
Of course, all the guys above, want to get the most out of our service, and paying the least amount of money. The question is: are we willing to do that?
If the answer is yes, then go ahead.
But if we want to maintain our quality of service, i think it's very normal thing to do that we reserve our specialty service, including our cum to those who are willing to pay extra for that.
5 years ago, i did not have vip rate and i regretted it. There were so many days, I could have made more money by charging vip rate, but instead I charged them, the same rate.
It's not fair for me and for my clients
The service varied, from those who only wanted to have a blow job, to those who needed full companionship to those who wanted to have a fetish session. And i charged them, the same rate.
Silly me. I should have charged extra money for those who wanted a fetish session for instance.
So stick with our principals and we will be fine. and btw, i believe i never see any of those above who disagree with the vip rate, and trust me...if we are good at what we do, we still have more than enough clients for ourselves.
Good respectful clients never hesitate to pay the premium price.
They don't like to bargain. Instead, they are willing to pay the top VIP rate if they can ensure to get what they want in the session.
So instead of lowering our rate, why not maintaining our service and keep our top notch quality.
Last but definitely not the least, 95% of my clients pay the vip rate.
It even stated on my reviews
My honest and blunt question as usual!
Tia Phoenixx
Seeing is believin
Well, I never got to see Tia, but I've read a lot about her and she's definitely a winner. That said, if 95% of her customers buy the VIP rate, why even offer the standard rate? Presumably some of her customers who purchased the standard rate would have bought the VIP rate if the standard rate weren't offered. If a customer just wants a blowjob, why is he bothering w/ a 300-400 dollar international courtesan?
And there's nothing wrong w/ charging extra for non-standard services (fetish, bondage, watersports); the problem is when the line between the standard rate and the vip rate isn't clear (most of the time when I see a TS solicitation). I've never felt the slightest pressure to purchase a "VIP rate" from a gg, because it's understood that everything I wanted is included in the regular rate. I don't care about fetish or anal w/ a gg, so I don't even consider the "A+" service or whatever it's called.
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Karina, you seem to be missing the point... no one is attacking you personally for offering VIP. You are well reviewed and your reviews speak for themselves. I'm sure your VIP sessions are well worth it.
My statements are about VIP in general and the FACT that most ads you see with VIP are scams, and the FACT that most providers who offer it use it as a way to chisel money out of inexperienced customers.
Your quote from Tia only reinforces what I've already said. Most customers don't use Eros and have no one to talk to about this business and therefore aren't able to benefit from the experiences of other hobbyists making them more vulnerable to scams. Those who are smart enough to get a little help should know the truth. VIP is, in general, bullshit.
Also, reposting a quote that is insulting to people on the board will earn you no frineds here. I think it shows an attitude of disdain towards the board. Why post here if you think that way?
As for your question, I'll indulge you with an answer even though it's off topic. I would choose the $500 girl over the multiple rate girl as a matter of principle. I think I have been pretty clear about that...
Now a question for you...does it matter to you that EVERY other poster has come out against VIP?
No not at all but it does bother me when you are talking in general like you all have, when you say VIP is scam you never mention that there are some girls that may be the exception, so that make other people that visit this board think VIP is scam period, and all the girls lie about it and that is a rip-off. not every other poster on this board is against the VIP because I did a research and all the old post talking about VIP is always the same guys commenting about and saying negative things about the VIP services. Im not insulting anybody here, Im just giving my opinion on this topic just like you guys nothing more, and I'm not showing an attitude towards this board at all, some of you posting on here don't even use this board for its purpose, you'll be posting links to funny adds on backpage and making fun of some providers so don't even go there. Im very friendly, honest, always do what I promise, I don't see why I won't earn friends just because Im saying what I think. Many Gents know me and they are very pleased with me. We can talk about VIP all day and every day because we all don't think the same way. Anyways guys happy sunday, drink a beer or a glass of wine and relax I will do the same later with a couple of friends, we are gonna see some gogo dancers papis naked, I'm very stressed is been a very busy and long weekend, DFK to all of you VIPs and NON/VIPs JK lol
cheers.
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Karina, if you actually *read* my posts, I mention several times that you are well reviewed and that your VIP sessions are likely worth every penny. My posts concern the majority of VIP girls, not the exception. Everything isn't about you Karina.
Enjoy your Sunday! You earned it.
Don't do it.....good luck out there.