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I incured some 2nd degree burns from my recent post regarding 2/hour minimums
Cynicalman 3844 reads
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So I'm understandably a bit gun-shy about getting into this debate. Lets's just say for the record you bring up a valid issue that I too see causing nothing but future confusion, trouble and dare I say...Rip-Offs.

  Cm.

I've recently started noticing a new trend on several provider's web sites:  a donation structure that is broken down according to whether a 'GFE' or 'PSE' session is desired, with the 'PSE' session typically costing more.  This has me wondering about a number of things.

Firstly, I've always taken it as a Bad Sign when a provider prices her services 'a la carte' --e.g. this much for a HJ, this much more for a BJ, this much MORE for FS.  It's classic agency upsell behavior, and the red flag goes up with me when I see it.

Even worse is the inherent vagueness of the terms themselves.  It can be (and has been, in this forum and others) debated as to exactly what a 'Girl Friend Experience' and 'Porn Star Experience' really are, with the only real consensus seeming to be 'it depends upon the person'.  That being the case, are these not rather dangerous terms upon which to build a donation structure?  It seems to me that using these terms just fosters miscommunication and unrealistic expectations.  And what exactly does a 'PSE' get that a 'GFE' doesn't?  Multiple pops?  Certain additional items on the menu?  Or just rhinestone bangles on her panties?  AFAICT there are no generally accepted definitions within the Hobby community that would enable me to tell, short of asking the provider in question.

Anyone else noticing this?  Thoughts, folks?

Cheers!

It also seems to stretch the concept that you are not paying for sex, but for just time and whatever happens between consenting adults happens.

Cynicalman3845 reads

So I'm understandably a bit gun-shy about getting into this debate. Lets's just say for the record you bring up a valid issue that I too see causing nothing but future confusion, trouble and dare I say...Rip-Offs.

  Cm.

I can hear it now:  'Sorry, you only paid for a *girlfriend experience*!  That means just conversation and hand-holding.  You know -- just like your first girlfriend back in junior high used to do'.

Mind you, I'm *not* saying that providers that are using this terminology on their sites are ripoffs, or doing anything intentionally underhanded at all.  I do think that they are inviting miscommunication while contributing to a trend that could lead to abuses by the unscrupulous.

Cheers!

Isn't a bad idea when it's part of many choices. As the saying goes, when one has many things to choose from, they make many choices!

Not every guy's the same, nor their schedules, nor their bankbooks. If a lady has a lot of variety in her business (accomodates the incall/outcall; one hour/multi-hour; dinner/entertainment-dates; overnights, and tours, etc. etc.) then it also makes sense that some would offer a few choices in other services.

I once knew a very entrepreneurial young lady who started a house cleaning business that quickly went through the roof. Her idea was the first I'd ever seen: housecleaning ala carte, and she had a menu! Rather than the usual who charged by the size of the home, etc., she had a list of items and they could check off what they wanted.

Just as most ladies wouldn't dream of having half-hour appointments, I'm sure if they had someone they really liked and it was convenient for both and they said, I only have a half hour and yada yada blankety blank, I think it could be worked out.

However, advertising it, as you say, might not be a good idea.

(Slightly OT:) I was discussing something with a client the other day in regards to negotiating. I told him negotiating doesn't fly, but here is what I prefer my clients/prospective clients do: propose an evening and then ask what he could expect the donation to be.

A number of ladies including myself offer FBSM as an option to FS, as in Seattle at least, a significant portion of local hobbyists like having that option, some are strict FBSM only, some choose based on their mod and/current budget. When I first started offering both services (I've previously done either only one or the other) I was one of very few that offered a choice, and there were almost as many solely fbsm providers in Seattle as fs only ladies. Now a significant number of escorts have expanded their service options to include fbsm b/c as the  ecnomy decined the demand for fbsm went up, and fs bookings went down. I don't offer an in-between option, but get asked about the possibility a lot, usually in an email by a total stranger. Once we have gotten to know each other, I'm happy to accomodate a happy medium, but I can see why some ladies would respond to frequent requests with a broken down "menu", although it can seem upselling to some, at least they are straightforward and potential clients know what to expect and not pay more than they want to for a fs session if they only want such-and-such. also, quite a few men find condoms hindersome, so sensual massage is a satisfactory option for them.

I try to be a little playful with my wording, my current terminlogy being "Happy Hour" or "Ecstatic Hour"

And from the terminology you're using, a potential client can get a clear understanding of what to expect with each option.  I guess it's the GFE/PSE stuff that primarily concerns me -- those terms are so vague.

Cheers!

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