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LE lying? I'm shocked!!
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What with all the thousands of $$$ riding on each potential "rescue mission" arrest?  There could be childrens in them thar hills and hotels and BP ads....Besides, some fat old pig with a tank needs more free media air time.

In the interest of fair play, I thought I would suggest a couple of ideas that may help a provider or a hobbyist avoid the embarrassment, legal exposure and the costs inherent to becoming a victim of the LE stings. It is not a level playing field when they (LEO) conspire, plan and invent new creative ways to thwart the natural desire of consenting adults that are desirous to spend time together. How is it so different than two (2) adults buying each other dinner, gifts, or to gain an advantage in employment or business. People have been screwing their bosses to get special treatment since before the 1800s.  

1) I am confident that a LEO would not be agreeable to sending you a selfie pic with a piece of paper with that date held up by his face.

2) Do not discuss any illegal acts by telephone.

3) Do not discuss any donation amounts in person or by phone.

4) If they have no references, Pass no matter what. Protect number one so you don't step in number two.

5) When you arrive immediately put his hand inside your panties for a kitty check. Most LEO is not going to allow.

6) When you arrive, ask him to show you his Penis, most LEO will not expose themselves.

7) When a client wants you to go to a hotel, meet at a public place first. If he is driving ask to see his insurance card or his registration. Hobbyist, if a girl represents to you she is 20 however she appears to be maybe under the age of 18 check id or pass. If she tells you at any time she is under the legal age of 18 run, never say well maybe its ok, better not talk, walk out...

8) If it is a flakey or not so nice hotel , motel, PASS. Remember, LE usually will not choose a super nice hotel. They prefer hotels so they can divide and conquer. That is how they hold a large number of people and refuse for them to make phone calls to Lawyers and or other people that work in the adult business.

9) The ad's that are posted with the popular disclaimers, THIS IS NOT AN OFFER FOR PROSTUTION ETC ETC, Do Not Protect you. The disclaimers do help, LEO identify the people that may be good targets.

10) If you are detained by LEO, remember these words!!  I want to speak to my lawyer. That is it the only other question you should answer is your name and produce ID. Not a word more, not what is your favorite color, no conversation at all. the only thing you will accomplish is to assist the LEO to prosecute you. You will not talk them into not arresting you. Hire a damn good criminal Lawyer and pay him, no matter what. Most people are not sent to prison or jail for a long period of time. Many do no time at all. The lawyer you choose will make a difference...  I have never met anyone that has talked their way out of being arrested.

I hope this information may be of some value to some of the people that take the risk of enjoying our adult hobby... Good Luck

 The aforementioned information is not provided as legal advice or an agreement to enter into a professional engagement

Odd are the encounters with LE are slim but JUST IN CASE:
STFU.  Name.  ID.  "Am I being detained?  If yes, I WANT TO SPEAK TO MY LAWYER.  I HAVE RIGHTS UNDER THE 4TH AND 5TH AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION AND I WISH TO EXERCISE THEM RIGHT NOW."  Shut yer fcking mouth.  Repeat if necessary and ask if their refusal to allow this means that they refuse to acknowledge or deny your rights.  YOU ARE BEING RECORDED for voice and video.  

Find and interview a Criminal Defense Attorney or six, pay him a $100 retainer and keep his card in your wallet if you like him or her.  Tell them right off the bat what you may need their services for and if they feel comfortable providing that service or if they have recommendations for a specialist in that area.

oy if things weren't moving in the direction of sexual context when meeting in person, that sure would kick it off in a big way!  Never mind what was on the web and disputable.  Personally, it sort of turns me on.  "Hey possible officer, come here and pet my friendly kitty".... Lol.  That fantasy will stay in my dreams!!
 

Posted By: tvlaw
In the interest of fair play, I thought I would suggest a couple of ideas that may help a provider or a hobbyist avoid the embarrassment, legal exposure and the costs inherent to becoming a victim of the LE stings. It is not a level playing field when they (LEO) conspire, plan and invent new creative ways to thwart the natural desire of consenting adults that are desirous to spend time together. How is it so different than two (2) adults buying each other dinner, gifts, or to gain an advantage in employment or business. People have been screwing their bosses to get special treatment since before the 1800s.  
   
 1) I am confident that a LEO would not be agreeable to sending you a selfie pic with a piece of paper with that date held up by his face.  
   
 2) Do not discuss any illegal acts by telephone.  
   
 3) Do not discuss any donation amounts in person or by phone.  
   
 4) If they have no references, Pass no matter what. Protect number one so you don't step in number two.  
   
 5) When you arrive immediately put his hand inside your panties for a kitty check. Most LEO is not going to allow.  
   
 6) When you arrive, ask him to show you his Penis, most LEO will not expose themselves.  
   
 7) When a client wants you to go to a hotel, meet at a public place first. If he is driving ask to see his insurance card or his registration. Hobbyist, if a girl represents to you she is 20 however she appears to be maybe under the age of 18 check id or pass. If she tells you at any time she is under the legal age of 18 run, never say well maybe its ok, better not talk, walk out...  
   
 8) If it is a flakey or not so nice hotel , motel, PASS. Remember, LE usually will not choose a super nice hotel. They prefer hotels so they can divide and conquer. That is how they hold a large number of people and refuse for them to make phone calls to Lawyers and or other people that work in the adult business.  
   
 9) The ad's that are posted with the popular disclaimers, THIS IS NOT AN OFFER FOR PROSTUTION ETC ETC, Do Not Protect you. The disclaimers do help, LEO identify the people that may be good targets.  
   
 10) If you are detained by LEO, remember these words!!  I want to speak to my lawyer. That is it the only other question you should answer is your name and produce ID. Not a word more, not what is your favorite color, no conversation at all. the only thing you will accomplish is to assist the LEO to prosecute you. You will not talk them into not arresting you. Hire a damn good criminal Lawyer and pay him, no matter what. Most people are not sent to prison or jail for a long period of time. Many do no time at all. The lawyer you choose will make a difference...  I have never met anyone that has talked their way out of being arrested.  
   
 I hope this information may be of some value to some of the people that take the risk of enjoying our adult hobby... Good Luck  
   
  The aforementioned information is not provided as legal advice or an agreement to enter into a professional engagement.  
   
 

May I help you with that fantasy?  ;-)

Posted By: sedonaw
 
 Boy if things weren't moving in the direction of sexual context when meeting in person, that sure would kick it off in a big way!  Never mind what was on the web and disputable.  Personally, it sort of turns me on.  "Hey possible officer, come here and pet my friendly kitty".... Lol.  That fantasy will stay in my dreams!!  
   
   
Posted By: tvlaw
In the interest of fair play, I thought I would suggest a couple of ideas that may help a provider or a hobbyist avoid the embarrassment, legal exposure and the costs inherent to becoming a victim of the LE stings. It is not a level playing field when they (LEO) conspire, plan and invent new creative ways to thwart the natural desire of consenting adults that are desirous to spend time together. How is it so different than two (2) adults buying each other dinner, gifts, or to gain an advantage in employment or business. People have been screwing their bosses to get special treatment since before the 1800s.    
     
  1) I am confident that a LEO would not be agreeable to sending you a selfie pic with a piece of paper with that date held up by his face.  
     
  2) Do not discuss any illegal acts by telephone.  
     
  3) Do not discuss any donation amounts in person or by phone.  
     
  4) If they have no references, Pass no matter what. Protect number one so you don't step in number two.  
     
  5) When you arrive immediately put his hand inside your panties for a kitty check. Most LEO is not going to allow.  
     
  6) When you arrive, ask him to show you his Penis, most LEO will not expose themselves.  
     
  7) When a client wants you to go to a hotel, meet at a public place first. If he is driving ask to see his insurance card or his registration. Hobbyist, if a girl represents to you she is 20 however she appears to be maybe under the age of 18 check id or pass. If she tells you at any time she is under the legal age of 18 run, never say well maybe its ok, better not talk, walk out...  
     
  8) If it is a flakey or not so nice hotel , motel, PASS. Remember, LE usually will not choose a super nice hotel. They prefer hotels so they can divide and conquer. That is how they hold a large number of people and refuse for them to make phone calls to Lawyers and or other people that work in the adult business.  
     
  9) The ad's that are posted with the popular disclaimers, THIS IS NOT AN OFFER FOR PROSTUTION ETC ETC, Do Not Protect you. The disclaimers do help, LEO identify the people that may be good targets.  
     
  10) If you are detained by LEO, remember these words!!  I want to speak to my lawyer. That is it the only other question you should answer is your name and produce ID. Not a word more, not what is your favorite color, no conversation at all. the only thing you will accomplish is to assist the LEO to prosecute you. You will not talk them into not arresting you. Hire a damn good criminal Lawyer and pay him, no matter what. Most people are not sent to prison or jail for a long period of time. Many do no time at all. The lawyer you choose will make a difference...  I have never met anyone that has talked their way out of being arrested.  
     
  I hope this information may be of some value to some of the people that take the risk of enjoying our adult hobby... Good Luck  
     
   The aforementioned information is not provided as legal advice or an agreement to enter into a professional engagement.  
     
 

Visiting an escort is not against the law.  Paying for a sex act is.   So.... if you dont admit to being there for a sex act how can they arrest you?   I suspect they get these guys to admit why they are there.   I doubt they can arrest you if you just say i was paying to hang out with her.

...they'll make sure the ad you respond to is suggestive enough to show that you expected to receive sex in exchange for something of value. They're betting on the likelihood that, unless you're willing to spend over $100,000 defending yourself by sticking out the time and legal fees to have this tried before a jury, you'll opt for a plea bargain with a reduced sentence and lesser charges. The Government has unlimited funds available to it to accomplish this while most of us can't afford to defend ourselves fairly. It sucks!

Here's a 5 minute long video called "How to Make Sure the Hooker You Hire Isn't a Cop"

The guy who is narrating this video gives some good common sense advice on how you can determine whether a prostitute is really an undercover cop.

Posted By: maxwell44
Here's a 5 minute long video called "How to Make Sure the Hooker You Hire Isn't a Cop"  
   
 The guy who is narrating this video gives some good common sense advice on how you can determine whether a prostitute is really an undercover cop.
Since you’re posting advice here, you’re probably preaching to the choir. When you visit a ladies in-call she already knows why you’re there. Trust me, she knows. There is no reason to discuss it at all. If she asks what you want, you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Get out of there.

Quite simply, stfu and don't be a punk and start begging and lamenting about your life. Say nothing. Ask for your attorney. Don't say anything incriminating on the phone call for it is probably being monitored.

bigguy30649 reads

The clowns running this state are frauds and we have rights, so use them!  

Just ask for your lawyer and say nothing else.

-- Modified on 7/20/2014 8:52:49 AM

If you ask for a lawyer, LE are compelled to STOP questioning you. If they have nothing, they may cut you loose. If you want a free night at the JOE hotel, try to explain your life to them. DONT answer any questions. Name only and I want a lawyer. Now lets party...

3) Do not discuss any donation amounts in person or by phone.

Can someone explain how asking a lady what she is charging for her time can be construed as solicitation? I realize that if you arrive at a sting operation, you will be arrested as a matter of course. But if the conversation with her(LEO), consisted of where, when and the amount for the time, does that consist of enough evidence to reliably get a conviction for solicitation after simply walking in the door

LE's job is to bring you in, their goal is to embarrass and humiliate you. Your name and photo will go out for being swept up in a prostitution sting whether you're convicted or not. A prosecutor will decide if you will be charged and a court will find you guilty or innocent but the damage will be done long before that.

-- Modified on 7/21/2014 12:04:59 PM

Yes . If there is an offer for a specific act, and an acceptance for a specific amount. That is how they prove up a case. If any part of the conversation is not clear, LEO will normally help you out by fabricating statement that never were spoken. Good Luck to you!

What with all the thousands of $$$ riding on each potential "rescue mission" arrest?  There could be childrens in them thar hills and hotels and BP ads....Besides, some fat old pig with a tank needs more free media air time.

Stinkysushi510 reads

Wow, I wish I'd read this thread and watched the youtube video 3 years ago.  Getting busted is no fun at all.  And I've heard Phoenix cops and prosecutors are real hard-ass.  Maybe the most hard-ass in the whole country.

Prostitution busts in Phoenix in July?  It must be the heat... if you'll pardon the pun.

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