I may be absolutely clueless but shouldn't a provider let potential customers be aware that she is a post-op transexual?
If she doesn't want to, why should she? If you're looking for a woman with a vagina, and the woman you meet has a vagina, why does it matter what parts she was born with?
During the session.
As Josephine said, a post-op trans woman has no obligation to discuss her pre-op body with you or anyone else. She's a woman with a vulva/vagina. If that's what you're looking for, that's what you got.
These TS ladies live as woman, especially if one has "Completely morphed" themselves. Do they need to be honest? I don't think unless you are going to date them or engage in a long personal relationship. But hobbying-Why should they? I've heard of few TS who advertise only in the WOMEN/FEMALE section of all TER boards after their transformation, they consider themselves as woman, they live as woman. One was even arrested in the burbs & they posted their real identity (their former male name) at the time of the arrest which is disgusting of the police yo embarrass them like that... Ugh...
I'm sorry, but I don't think that most of us are that liberal. Even if I applaud everyone's right to live as they like and feel is right, I would find that to be a big turn-off to the specific reason I am meeting the provider and likely have to walk out. I think that's my right. So if the TS doesn't want a lot of walk outs, and the low reviews associated with it, maybe it would be good to mention it beforehand (when setting up the appointment). I'm sure there are a lot of guys that would be turned on to the idea of a TS anyway!
TS is an advertising term used in the sex industry and describes a woman who still has her cock / Venus / strapless / whatever she prefers to call it. There is a market for TS ladies, but once a woman fully transitions, she probably does not identify as a TS but rather as a WOMAN. Maybe as a trans woman. But many women who have completed their transition simply identify as women, period. Refusing to respect that is an act of violence, and it has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. No lady is obligated to disclose her medical history to a client, and than includes trans women. They don't have less rights compared to the rest of us just because of their medical journey.
If you arrive to see someone and her pictures make her look wildly different than how she actually looks, you always have the right to walk out, particularly if you are not actually attracted to her and don't want to go through with the session. Her medical history, and for that matter, being liberal or not being liberal, have nothing to do with it. If she looks wildly different than her photos and you're not actually attracted to her, then don't go through with it. But her transition history does not necessarily have anything to do with whether you will be attracted to her or not. She is in no way obligated to disclose that kind of personal information. You can let your dick decide for yourself without seeing her medical records whether you're attracted to her or not. If you're personally afraid of being attracted to a woman who previously transitioned, that sounds like your own insecurity issues and not her responsibility to cater to. Perhaps if you really want to make sure you never see a woman who used to be a TS, because of your personal biases, you can place a signature at the bottom of your emails that details such, so that any lady who has such in her history can reject you. Take responsibility for your own biases / issues instead of expecting ladies who have a transgender history to continuously violate their own right to privacy around their medical histories.TS girls advertise as TS because they have penises. Men attracted to women with penises seek them out. If a woman advertises as TS when she's got a vagina, not only will she not get business from men who want women with vaginas, but she'll also get every single man who sought her out for the penis they assumed she had walking out on her and reviewing her badly. Why, then, would a woman with a vagina, regardless of whether she was born with it or not, advertise that she may have or used to have a penis? She wouldn't be able to make a living. I've slept with a post-op trans woman, her vagina looked just like mine, and absolutely no one by any stretch would know she wasn't "born" a woman. No trans woman has to divulge her history, especially if she's post-op and in some cases it's outright dangerous to do so. It has nothing to do with how liberal you are but if you're scared the woman you fuck may not have been born with that vagina you enjoyed, maybe you just shouldn't have sex with anyone. If the idea is such a turn off, considering you literally cannot tell.
Wow, thats real amazing you can not tell. Who knows, maybe i've slept with post op trans too? i dubt it, but like you say, you cant tell. as long as you have good time, why you care?
Ladies, thank you for your insight. Gentlemen, I share some of your concerns, but it doesn't make it right. No. I will not be outing any provider here or in pm.
I searched the reviews for women. Not for women who used to be men. My money my fantasy. If we're at the point in P4P where what constitutes a woman is this fluid and "private" then we are all truly fucked.
If I took the time and energy to search for a woman I want and should get a woman. As I have said a hundred times on these boards we all have a completely unfettered right to engage the most finite and peculiar desires and demands when it comes to the ineffably intimate act of sex. As long as I have a willing partner on the bed I should be free to get exactly what I asked for and not a facsimile. Whether that constitutes a hangup in your book is totally irrelevant. In fact, your logic is the necessary predicate to saying a provider should fuck anything that walks through her door even if she prefers not to see men of a certain ethnicity, or men in a certain profession or left handed marine biologists with a lisp. In short, when it comes to sex there is no "right" or "wrong"; there is only what I want and what my partner is willing to provide.
So if I can pass for white is it ok to lie to a lady (or simply to not mention it) even if her website says absolutely no "insert ethnicity here"? What other lies of omission will I be permitted to get away with?
As long as the man who walks through your door has a dick and balls and isn't physically abusive then you MUST fuck him. Even if he is 300 lbs overweight, smells like a farm, and is missing all his teeth. Hmmm, not your preference you say? Sorry but preference went out the window with your logic. If I care about seeing only women who were born women that's my preference and every provider can refuse to see me because of my narrow mindedness. That's a possible consequence of my preference. But at least I didn't lie by omission.
...getting out of the game, because there is no reason whatsoever for a woman who doesn't have a penis to advertise as TS. It's no ones business what her body has gone through, especially yours. Your fantasy involves a woman who makes your dick hard, right? That's essentially what you're paying for. And if that woman has a vagina, but at some point in her life had a penis, it's not your business.
Read the above posts, and remember that you are indeed paying for a fantasy, not for someone's medical history.I can refuse to see a client based on looks, but that's not how I run my business. If someone shows up and is smelly with poor hygiene, that's different than someone walking through my door that doesn't fit my definition of attractive.
The OP had a date with a woman he found attractive, and asked if a woman he THOUGHT was post-OP should disclose that information automatically. The answer is no, because her medical history is not anyone's automatic business. For someone post-OP to advertise as TS is false advertising; it would be akin to me dropping 100 lbs and still advertising as BBW because I used to be fat. That's insanely stupid. So please. Continue with your closed mind and silly arguments as you wish. Just don't think for one second that anyone's medical history is your business simply because you're paying to fuck them.Considering race is a social construct and genetalia is a biological characteristic, those aren't even equal. If a woman has a vagina, why does it matter what she used to have? She IS a woman. A biological woman.
If we turn your logic around why do some women have a right to object to the fact that I have dark skin and nappy hair? Perhaps because they're about to engage in the most intimate thing any 2 humans can do. When that Rubicon is crossed the lady can and should employ any discriminating factor she wishes. Why should the male half of the tryst not be able to do the same? Otherwise every provider must fuck every man who shows up with working equipment.
In fact it's particularly on point. The provider in this case has made a conscious decision to change genders. So the question remains--is it ok if I hide my original ethnicity as long as I can successfully pull off being Anglo?
We're all closed minded when it comes to sex. To deny that is simply ridiculous. I like tall and thin, you like a short muscular build, he likes Zaftig. No one is required to be so open minded that they will sleep with anyone who walks through the door.
On the other hand I don't need to know you had an appendectomy at 15, a broken arm at 20, and pneumonia 2 years ago. But are any of these things really the same, or even like, the fact that the person I think is a woman really has a y chromosome? So is a woman's right to say she won't see dark skinned men from country x really any different from a man saying he wishes to not see any provider who was born a man? I'm a pretty liberal guy but I don't see how a person's desire to live a new life trumps my desire to lie with a genuine XX chromosome human. Btw do you think you have a right to know whether your food is GMO or not? Because agribusiness can make a powerful argument that as long as it looks and acts and tastes like rice you have no right to know the proprietary process by which they made it. -- Modified on 7/4/2014 7:30:05 AM-- Modified on 7/4/2014 7:33:17 AM
Again, your arguments fail; thanks for all the straw men.
Being a post-op trans woman is no different than being a woman post appendectomy; an organ was removed, problems fixed. And any surgery is medical history, so asking someone to disclose a sex-reassignment surgery is medical history. You can't say " I don't care about appendectomies or other things, but this one thing, I have the right to know that. You can't pick and choose what you think someone else should disclose about their medical history, or what you actually consider to be private information, at that. Not to mention, what if said provider had the surgery 10 years ago? If you're going to make time a pertinent factor (" I don't need to know about an appendectomy at age 15") then you definitely don't need to know about any other surgeries that happened at any other time in the past. End of story. Also, race and medical history are not near the same thing, but my personal belief is that neither of those things are my business as a provider. That's another discussion though. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. It's about privacy and respect. You expect providers to be discrete and private with your info, and would never expect a provider to ask you probing questions like this. Extend that same courtesy. There's also no way to guarantee that you've never been with a post-op trans woman, so you may want to hold your judgments.Then you better start asking for DNA tests because lots of women are born intersex and are genitally mutilated at birth so that they can have "normal" vaginas and can be raised as women rather than having an abnormal gender experience. About 1% of births (that's one out of every one hundred people born) experience this, and standard medical practice is to convince the parents to have surgery done to turn them into girls and never speak of it again. So probably 0.5-1% of the people who think they are "women" have had genital surgery at birth and you can't tell by looking. Often these folks may not be XX chromosomed. If you really need your gal to be a XX then you need to ask every lady you see to have genetic testing done and show you the results.
Good luck.On the other hand I don't need to know you had an appendectomy at 15, a broken arm at 20, and pneumonia 2 years ago. But are any of these things really the same, or even like, the fact that the person I think is a woman really has a y chromosome? So is a woman's right to say she won't see dark skinned men from country x really any different from a man saying he wishes to not see any provider who was born a man?
I'm a pretty liberal guy but I don't see how a person's desire to live a new life trumps my desire to lie with a genuine XX chromosome human.
Btw do you think you have a right to know whether your food is GMO or not? Because agribusiness can make a powerful argument that as long as it looks and acts and tastes like rice you have no right to know the proprietary process by which they made it.
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