They aren't independent, they're with an agency. I'm just curious how clients would feel if they knew. Here is a tip.....most independents don't watch the clock to the minute. I'm just sayin! Nor do they use the same in call as an agency.
As long as the paid escort provides a quality session and shows up on time, it doesn't really matter to me whether she is really with an agency or independent.
And looks like a duck, then we can all assume it's a duck. However don't accuse New independents of lying, unless you're 99% sure.
"clock watching" is a no no whether you're with an agency or Indy
I know some new independents and they are independents not agency. What's your point if your just going to throw it out there and have nothing to show for it?
Another scam.
Go ahead and blast away. bother Taboo topic everyone feels but no one touches!
Move ladies from the site, create a new identity, create an individual website, fill with more glamor photoshopped pictures, raise rates, advertise them as Indy and you guys go bonkers over the the fact that they are now "Indy".
Great marketing ploy and obviously it has worked. You guys have bought it hook line and sinker.
Now if they set their own rates, have control of their ter acct here, control their new site and can break ties with previous manager with out loosing all this then maybe they are Indy. Something tells me that is not the case.
Ding Ding Ding Ding!
Well written so that people actually understand. Good attempt "Ilovemyjob". I'm curious how many times they denied you to post this thread before this actually went up. For some reason the names of girls & agencies isn't being "allowed" and that's fine, I guess. But this marketing ploy has been around for awhile. (at least the 7 years I've been answering the phones for ladies/agencies!)
I have been waitin for a month to see if this was going to air on the boards. Had several pms, emails, calls ect about it before this post about new girls & what's the 411. (& don't ask me now, already told them I wouldn't squeal like a piggy) UTR girls I work for have tried to out them & it's just funny how the "TER" game works.
Eitherway, not taking away from these beautiful new Indy girls. Their services are still their services. You are still getting what you are paying for. That part is still fact. Would I still see them because they are advertising in a special way? Yup, I would. I have nothing against agencies because I came from two popular ones here in Atlanta. But I would like to know if they are affiliated with an agency if I was "agency challenged/afraid"! Hell ya! And I think that's the point. Guys are finding out after the session...
Happy Hobbying guys & dolls...
Kimberly
You are all adults and can do as you please. It is a marketing ploy and they are trying to make more money, and don't be surprised bc you are on a do not see list to an agency BC you asked a girl out and can't see at least 3 new independents.....threats and lies and all the bullshit. The marketing is beyond lame and is not original. Btw it's not just 1 that is starting to do this.
I definitely don't run out of an appointment BC it's 4 minutes past. I actually don't have to be at another appointment to make my agency money on another guy. The beauty of independents is we control our time and don't rush you out the door BC someone else Is coming through. Hey, I suppose some may, but the good ones don't push you out immediately.
I think the point is that independents could lie about the situation when they're contacted directly.
Point is its dishonest and agencies are obviously not always liked for the way they treat girls and hobbiest.
Ilovemyjob thanks for bringing this to my attention, I've been in the game forever and had no idea this type of scam existed. Learned something new today
Apparently things aren't going well financially, so the advertising scam is implemented, but hey if it works for the provider and the agency who am i to knock their hustle!
You agree with the OP and yet you find his thread "stupid and pointless"? Interesting....
...post this and cast doubt on every provider that has recently gone independent. The ones that truly are independent don't deserve to have their status questioned. You're throwing out the good with the bad and you soil the reputation of those that have done nothing but go independent at a time proximate to those that are being dishonest.
This kind of post serves no purpose because of the lack of verifiable information.
the ones in question? whether they are indy or still in agencies and just demanding higher prices??
Yes i think we are all aware of a shift in the market in Atlanta. Decide who you want to see and go see her before she turns indy and wanting more...... It is about $$$. If you think these girls want to be with us with out fair compensation. WEll you are smoking crack. LOL
crack is whack.. too soon??? whitney i love you.........
to believe it's stupid and pointless to post what he did to begin the thread and agree with his above comment that it's dishonest to pretend to be indy when you're not.
...which ones are in question?
I will see someone I have researched and back channeled about if the donation fits by requirements.
It just isn't right to disparage all that went indy without some verifiable information.
I am with Nikki. From the PM I just recieved for the guy he Obviously thinks I'm one of these fake Indy which really pisses me off. I agreed with him that it is stupid and wrong to put on a act that you something that your not. I went so I could run what happens with myself and I have the control and I keep what I make. I put a lot of hard work in making the switch and now this jackass wants to group me with people that are being dishonest! Not everyone is a fake!
Think about that.....no need to be defensive.j ust think for yourself, im glad i could be of help to the hobbiest that are beng tricked.
Thanks for clarifying.
Her expenses would go up a LOT! The major expense would move from the agencies responsibility to the ladies on her own including marketing, incall, and screening. The major and most important expenses.
That would be correct, but that is not the point here. It's an agency capitalizing on men that see independents BC they don't like dealing with agencies. I hate dishonesty and manipulation of the market and providers and hobbiest. It's so beyond what anybody understands from every angle. It's hitting everyone from one end to the other. If you okay this behavior it's allowing the worst type of behavior. I am so not okay, and if you know how deep this goes you would dislike just as much.
Completely agreed about the endless debates over mundane issues. Other members are obsessed with how many posts other members have made in a certain period of time. Fortunately, I have more important things to think about than mundane issues like any of those.
Some people around here are more interested in endless debates over theme threads and other stupid shit as opposed to discussing real issues.
Thanks. I forgot to add that some are obsessed with having subject lines changed.
Second, I'll agree with anyone whom I choose to when I agree with their points.
Third, you're entitled to your opinion, even if others do NOT agree with you.
There is no need to report your original post. It was NOT rude, slanderous, or troublemaking at all. In fact, your original post offered some cogent points which I agreed with (and still agree with).
Secondly, don't fucking agree with me on anything.
Thirdly, mundane is your middle name as you are the most mundane poster I have seen in years on this site. You could have a thousand posts this month and still not have anything of value to add.
Why don't you report my fucking post and cry like a baby that someone else is not being nice to Mr Bill.
and there is some truth to what you are saying.
Some people around here are more interested in endless debates over theme threads and other stupid shit as opposed to discussing real issues.
You look retarded by following everyone around on their subject lines.
Secondly, don't fucking agree with me on anything.
Thirdly, mundane is your middle name as you are the most mundane poster I have seen in years on this site. You could have a thousand posts this month and still not have anything of value to add.
Why don't you report my fucking post and cry like a baby that someone else is not being nice to Mr Bill.
I have seen some of these agency girls that went indy before at the agency rate. I assumed they were splitting about half with the agency. I am puzzled why they get a 100 percent increase in pocketed money plus an increase to $350...... seems to be what the new indy rate seems to be nowadays. I guess it is a market rate that we guys have driven upwards to this high level. Just do the hourly math......if a girl worked like the rest of us at 40 hours a week times 350/hr it would equate to $728,000 a year. WOW....needed less to say they are not working 40 hours a week.....or are they? I enjoy myself no matter how much I have to pay.....but paying 7 times what I make in an hour sometimes seems hilarious for an hour of companionship when you do it on a regular basis. We cares if she is indy or agency? What we really should be talking about is how to move the market average for indys down to agency rate or less in my opinion. Seems greedy to me to keep pushing the rates up.....but what do I know, I am just a guy with a hard on and an ATM card!
and your example doesn't exist
Some paid escorts are worth a lot more per hour than the agencies are willing to offer them for. But when they become independents, the women are able to charge and sustain higher rates. The fact that independents have increased expenses that they must incur is mostly irrelevant, as the women now receive 100% of their fees.
sees 40 clients a week OR even works 40 hors a week. DAMN!! My pussy would be worn the fuck out! I see A LOT less than that! More like 5 or 6 per week PLUS I do have overhead such as incall rent, condoms, refreshments, power bills, Dr check ups, gas to and from among other things so your post is ridiculous! Also a lot of ladies go indy because they want to be lower volume and still make the same amount. I have work both agency and indy and I can tell you that a price increase is definitely understandable. Are you seriously saying you guys should push the prices down? LOOK! A woman has the right to charge what she wants for her body and for you to say "hey we should drive the prices down" is an outright insult to so many beautiful ladies that absolutely desreve every penny she makes!
So you are right about one thing, What do you know? Well obviously not much!
May I suggest saving your money and just jacking off OR I am sure there are planty of corners to go find yourself that perfectly priced girl.
Hugs and kisses
TL
Yea I didnt even mention all that but Ginger is right on!
Hugs and kisses
TL
Just put me spectacles on and is that an I or a 1? still hard to tell.. so I took it as an I IF it s 1..
then forget my previous post LOL 
tyvm,P.T.
So you are right about one thing, What do you know? Well obviously not much!
May I suggest saving your money and just jacking off OR I am sure there are planty of corners to go find
Women has the right to charge whatever and men has the right to pay what they want including talking about rates. I understand both men and women get their panties all wadded up about rates. Think about this way, ,most women talk about best prices on shoes and clothes and most men talk about prices of cars and trucks since both men and women say this is business transaction (I agree), discussion of rates are normal. “THE ESTABLISHED FACT IN FREE MARKET ECONOMY”.
If not why would you women have specials? Is it not a sale for attracting business. Not trying to be ass-hole but, every time the Rate topic comes up, everyone gets tight wadded panties. "Get Over It”.
This will not be the last of it. “Get Used to it”.
There is market for sub 100’s to high 1,000s. If not Back Page would not exist, would it?
yourself that perfectly priced girl.
Hugs and kisses
TL
Why the price hike?
Wasn't it J Paul Getty who said I would rather have 1% of 100 people's efforts than 100% of 1 persons efforts?
An agency has multiple ladies working. They can maximize an incall or advertising to it's potential when they have multiple ladies available. They can have 2 or 20 meetings all going on at one time. An independent lady is only 1 person and can only be in one place at one time having one meeting at a time.
I have wished on many occasions that I could clone myself and be in 2 places at once, believe me.
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Yes theres a shitload of Indys being sold as if there not with an agency... Its all the same people answerin the phone so its easy to tell who is who... BUT... Because an Indy lady uses an incall of an agency for some of her appointments.. That does not mean they work at the agency.. I have a buncha Indy ladies... That for one reason or another.... Cant get a room right away ..or whatever.. They call and ask IF they can use my incall for this appointment and yes I charge them alot less than a hotel... BUT anyway point Im making is that just because some Indys at some point may use an agency incall but.. They answer their phones, do their own emails... all of it except they sometimes use my space. So dont use that as a criteria.
tyvm,P.T.
"..threats and lies and all the bullshit. The marketing is beyond lame and is not original. Btw it's not just 1 that is starting to do this."
BTW its not just you doing it.... So does that mean that You are a newly Indepandant ..but lying about it?
tyvm,P.T.
Sweetie, I'm long gone from your game. It's been years. you and your business partners were the worst....
buisness partner in 17 years till I recently 3 years ago had gotten cancer and needed help after a year and the chemo and radiation I need help and he did me rightously. I wouldnt be here but for him... BUT...As you see Im on my own again... For many reasons... Some Good, Some Bad... BUT thats the only time I EVER had a buisness associate unless you are misinformed about me.
tyvm,P.T.
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I dont understand the question.. do they come to the surface,,,Ivanaofatlanta uses my place frequently and is upfront about it...Is that what you mean?.Ashley Sparks, sofia ,Veronica... They all come out n say its my incall.. Why you so evil gir? Sorry u had a rotten time at the agency I also worked for..Remember I was an employee just runnin that show.. But my orders came from above... I do nt know what disturbed you so but.....were not all the same,
tyvm,P.T.
This post wasn't to call anyone out in particular on my end. You know who you are, and ALL of you keep posting and emailing me. Quit trying to defend yourselves, if you had nothing to hide then shut your mouths. I will not respond again to your stupid emails trying to clear your names. I honestly believe it's the inside trying to figure out who I am and posting brand spanking new reviews to clear their girls names. Enjoy your freaking scam, but you should go back to more honest ways of business. I believe agencies have their purpose. Introducing new and young girls to the business. New talent. Now that I have shed light on this marketing ploy, try a new avenue, but be honest with who you're trying to do business with. And stop threatening your girls with weekly emails. If you want to make more money, offer a higher end service.
Not sure of "ALL" the people youre talikng about BUT I have my own damned place that is not with an agency. I pay half the freaking bills there so I KNOW youre not reffering to me! The only scam coming from my place is a gent may have A LOT more fun than he ever imagined! lol
Hugs and kisses
TL
Casting dispersions upon all agencys Im sorry but I take that personally... I Know Now that you were not talking about me as Ive never sent my girls emails... weekly ,monthly or daily.. Not my style....
So rant on.....
tyvm,P.T.
P.S. I did send a PM asking if you would like to chat... I gave no defense nor did I do it more than once... So again... Im assurred youre not talking about me so....
RANT ON!
can you pm me with specifics?
and a link too!