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Shep Smith is right. This is not an issue that the Republicans should use as turning point . . .

Posted 5/9/2012 at 3:45:14 PM

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PitchingWedge
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Shep Smith is right. This is not an issue that the Republicans should use as turning point . . .
in the coming election.

The question of whether or not gay marriage should be recognized is not nearly as important as the real issues facing America today -- jobs, the economy, the budget, excessive spending, and, as always, national defense and the growing specter of a nuclear war.

Gay marriage affects a very small portion of the American population.  The fact that it has become a national firestorm really amazes me.  

While I believe that marriage should include a man and a woman, I would never let the issue become so important and so engulfing that it would overtake the real issues that threaten our country today.  Let's face it, gay couples are not going to do the damage to America that Islamic terrorists or lunatic Iranian leaders have done or could do in the future.

If the Republicans try to make this a big issue, it will blow up in their faces.

-- Modified on 5/9/2012 7:45:36 PM

Related Link: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/obama-supports-gay-marriage-shep-smith-warns-gop-203159510.html
 

Posted 5/9/2012 at 3:47:31 PM

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Isn't it a state issue?
Can a President do anything about gay marraige?  Isn't it just symbolic?
 

Posted 5/9/2012 at 9:34:49 PM

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GOP strategists know.....
...that the more they focus on the culture war, the more likely they are to lose, and look utterly ridiculous in the process.

But these issues will keep coming up. The Republican coalition of the libertarians, business-interests, and Evangelicals have never been so shaky. If the party talks only about the economy, the Evangelicals will know that the party is trying to marginalize them, when they're already bitter about having to accept Romney has their candidate.

I would hate to be a Romney campaign advisor. What a fucking mess.
 

Posted 5/9/2012 at 5:21:51 PM

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That seems to be the prevailing thought
but if a state votes in favor of gay marriage, what does that mean for federal related rules as it relates to marriage. Does the gay couple get to file a "married" 1040 form, utilize the tax tables for married couples and get married deductions? How about spousal rights under social security? How about citizenship rights? The list goes on.

I don't have an answer to this issue, but I guess what Obama is saying is you're married in the eyes of the state of New York, but not in the eyes of the Federal Government.

I don't think he wanted to touch this issue prior to the election, but thanks to dumb witted side kick, he had to come out of the closet (lol).
 

Posted 5/9/2012 at 5:23:36 PM

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Not at all. Makes a big difference under federal tax laws

    The Clinton era Defense of Mariage Act defines a marriage for tax purposes as between a man and woman. So no marital deduction for your boyfriend. Similarly gift tax benefits are not available for gifts to your same sex partner. No IRA roll overs either.

    Married  heterosexuals can transfer unlimited assets to their spouse without estate tax liability. Transfer to your same sex partner on death and you will pay capital gains taxes.

      So it is very much a federal issue for tax purposes. Is the DMA constititional? Maybe not. Mr. Obama has instructed the DOJ not to defend this law. The Republicans have the opposite view. This is the issue that will probably reach the Supreme Court before any of the state laws allowing or disallowing same sex marriage.

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Posted By: Officer Cartman
Can a President do anything about gay marraige?  Isn't it just symbolic?

 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 4:22:03 AM

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Yes and No...
Statesgrant marriage licenses, but can a stae not recognoze a marriage performed in another state?

Also, there are federal laws whuch are impacted by your marital status, so I would say this will be in both areans.
 

Posted 5/9/2012 at 8:12:27 PM

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St. Croix Send Mail to St. Croix
Does your same sex partner play basketball with you?
Do you fight over who will be shirts and skins? I'm sorry, maybe I should have said blouses and skins. I'm sure when you "crossover" that has a whole different meaning when you are playing at the YMCA in SFO (lmao).
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 4:10:39 AM

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Mr. Obama has instructed the DOJ not to defend this law.
How does that work?

Obama gets to be the final arbiter on which laws he wants to uphold and which he does'nt?

Does he get to do whatever he wants cuz he's black?:D
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 4:24:20 AM

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Naah – that guy never passes the ball. But I guess I should admit
that I’m planning to buy the Puffy Shirt franchise for LA.

    I think I can break even just by selling to you and your buddies, with a very reasonable price increase from what you are paying now.

       Who else would be a Puffy Shirt customer? Priapus? Naah- as an Elvis impersonator, Puffy Shirts are not his style. Mein always wears a bow tie, so he’s out. Willy buys all his clothes from the Whole Earth catalog.

      H’mm. Wait, I’ve got it- GaGambler would look great in a Puffy Shirt with his slim build and Asian countenance. Yes, I can see St. Croix and GaGambler rambling through Vegas in your Puffy Shirts, two wild and crazy guys. The ladies won’t know what hit em.

 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 4:24:51 AM

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Snowman39 Send Mail to Snowman39
LMFAO!!! If a liberal tells you that you should not argue a point...
its only because they know they will lose that point.

I find it funny as hell watching all the liberals on thsi board trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

He said it, its out there, and it is going to hurt him at the polls.

Looks like this game is over...
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 4:40:08 AM

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I think I used the wrong word when I said "instructed"
In reading the link, Mr. Holder said that he and the President had reached the same conclusion that Defense of Marriage is unconstitutional.

You are correct - the AG is suppose to make his determinations on the law independently for the most part, although he might have to resign if the President insiiss on a particular view. Remember the Saturday Night Massacre and Tricky Dick.

Related Link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obamas-legal-progression-on-defense-of-marriage-act/
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 9:01:12 AM

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willywonka4u
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put the genie back in the bottle?!?!?
What the hell, Snow. The story hit the press yesterday, and it's already yawn-worthy. I really don't think people will give two shits about it next month, much less in November.
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 8:35:15 AM

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so lemme get this straight. the POTUS and AG decide
what they "believe" is or isn't constitutional and are able to act accordingly?

i missed the part of the Constitution that defines those powers, can you help me with that?

Maybe it's cuz he's black:D

are there any limits to the POTUS/AG powers?

I wonder why some think Obama is shreading the Constitution?

I hope they make Garden Grove cops writing failure to stop tickets unconstitutional in the next few weeks, that'll save me a couple hundred bucks!
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 11:03:59 AM

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Keep dreaming Willy....
The real intensity of this story will hit in November.  
 

Posted 5/10/2012 at 2:24:05 PM

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willywonka4u
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I really doubt it.
Gay Marriage may have been something that would keep American's interest 8 years ago, but today? I mean really, the shock value has worn off. Now if Obama had come out for polygamy, then I could see it being talked about all over the place. But gay marriage?

The only segment of the country that still passionately cares about it are the Evangelicals, and they don't even have enough people in the Republican Party to get a candidate of their choice.
 

Posted 5/11/2012 at 5:16:15 AM

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Snowman39 Send Mail to Snowman39
Do you not read the papers??
It was headline news!!! Not buried under the op-eds in section 3.

Keep hoping Willy, but there is a reason it is called the Bully Pulpit, and between this and the health care ruling coming down soon, this is a one two punch.

You should try to go see Obama when he is on the lecture circuit next year.
 

Posted 5/11/2012 at 11:03:46 AM

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willywonka4u
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I should have been more clear. Sorry, snow.
What I meant to say is that I have my doubts that anyone will be talking about this in November.
 

Posted 5/12/2012 at 4:07:35 AM

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Snowman39 Send Mail to Snowman39
I will bet you big time!!
One of the questions during the debates will be gay marriage. You ar right it will quiet down for now but it will come back during the election, and now Obama is in a corner on it.

I think he would have backed it next year, but good old Joe screwed u again and painted him in a corner.
 

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