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What evidence do you have to support "all those who purport to retire return at some point?"
JakeFromStateFarm 655 reads
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I know of lots of girls who have remained happily and successfully retired.  And what about those who hook on the side while running successful civvy careers?

How does hooking compare to the corporate grind with its rules and lower pay but greater security and opportunity for advancement?

For those with "advanced degrees", how do they explain the gaps in employment on their resume?  

Do the hooker skills translate into those required of middle management and ultimately executive positions?

What do you think the success rate is for providers transitioning from "hooking" to pursuing a career in the real world?  

It seems that all those who purport to retire return at some point.  

Does anybody have any verifiable evidence of those who have made it?

someone who has actually made the transition to executive level management.  You should PM Fancy.

Employment gaps are bad for everyone, not just the ladies.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
How does hooking compare to the corporate grind with its rules and lower pay but greater security and opportunity for advancement?  
   
 For those with "advanced degrees", how do they explain the gaps in employment on their resume?    
   
 Do the hooker skills translate into those required of middle management and ultimately executive positions?  
   
 What do you think the success rate is for providers transitioning from "hooking" to pursuing a career in the real world?  
   
 It seems that all those who purport to retire return at some point.  
   
 Does anybody have any verifiable evidence of those who have made it?
Don't make pay to play only income.

GaGambler589 reads

Your day job is as an English teacher, right?  ROFLMFAO

JakeFromStateFarm656 reads

I know of lots of girls who have remained happily and successfully retired.  And what about those who hook on the side while running successful civvy careers?

Posted By: JakeFromStateFarm
I know of lots of girls who have remained happily and successfully retired.  And what about those who hook on the side while running successful civvy careers?
Retire hooker always come back to business for $$$$$$$$$$$. Good marketing to pick up business when hooker saying  retire.

Here we go again. So you know their real names and you checked out the claims? Knowing them as hooker/john is a guarantee you are being lied to.

If they had a "successful" CAREER (not an hourly marginal job) with with a good salary,chance for advancement, benefits etc they would not be here. There may be the rare exception that has a job and dabbles in hooking on the side but we know what exception means.

Successful hooking means scheduling, screening, marketing, advertising  and going into "hooker mode persona" before the date. It also means FAST cash. A girl can make more tax free money in a few hours of fucking than she did all month at her previous job.  

As far as "many" who you consider successfully retired , I'll take your word for it. I think they are the exceptions. From what I've observed the vast majority who try to retire fail to stay out of sex work for any major length of time. A few have come back after 5 years or more.  

The idea that some of them use hooking as a stepping stone to better themselves to executive positions is nothing short of delusional.

These girls have more comebacks than professional boxers.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
Here we go again. So you know their real names and you checked out the claims? Knowing them as hooker/john is a guarantee you are being lied to.  
   
 If they had a "successful" CAREER (not an hourly marginal job) with with a good salary,chance for advancement, benefits etc they would not be here. There may be the rare exception that has a job and dabbles in hooking on the side but we know what exception means.  
   
 Successful hooking means scheduling, screening, marketing, advertising  and going into "hooker mode persona" before the date. It also means FAST cash. A girl can make more tax free money in a few hours of fucking than she did all month at her previous job.  
   
 As far as "many" who you consider successfully retired , I'll take your word for it. I think they are the exceptions. From what I've observed the vast majority who try to retire fail to stay out of sex work for any major length of time. A few have come back after 5 years or more.  
   
 The idea that some of them use hooking as a stepping stone to better themselves to executive positions is nothing short of delusional.  
   
 These girls have more comebacks than professional boxers.
Welcome to pay to play business. Cash is king. No free sessions.

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JakeFromStateFarm457 reads

Second: of course some retirements are either faked or don't last long.  But you said "all."  Any time you use a word like that you should automatically know you're wrong.  And not a single thing you said rebuts that point.

Where did I say all?

I said:  "There may be the rare exception that has a job and dabbles in hooking on the side but we know what exception mean." I don't think I ever spoke in absolutes.  

In my irst post I should have said the vast majority if I used "all"

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JakeFromStateFarm362 reads

I quoted them accurately:   "all those who purport to retire return at some point."
From your penultimate line.  That's about as absolute as it gets.

Posted By: JakeFromStateFarm
I quoted them accurately:   "all those who purport to retire return at some point."  
 From your penultimate line.  That's about as absolute as it gets.
Agreed. I should have proof read it before posting. It should have read the "vast majority." rather than all. From what I've seen maybe 10% stay out of sex work permanently after "retiring."

JakeFromStateFarm355 reads

because I don't think either of us can know.  And I'm sure you don't believe most of the women on this thread who contradicted you but can they really ALL be lying?

I've found that jobs I've applied for--more to see if I can still get offers on them--haven't really had an issue. Most girls, myself included, have built other business to be able to explain gaps in time where we're not a wage slave to someone else. For example, I own a photography studio and an adult film production company. So I can toss my portfolio of my photography (of course not the escort photography I do) on a desk, which seems to clear up any questions.

I know a couple girls that have gotten to their end dates that have had something to fill those gaps, an have had no issue. Girls that don't seem to have a very difficult time.

I mean even without my RTF production work, I could fill those gaps with the two books I've been writing. I'm sure it would be a lot more difficult to explain, but don't see the that as a road block to reentey if I wanted to exclude my photography and production stuff.

I think a lot of girls come back, at least part time, because they get use to a certain lifestyle and income that a 9-5 just isn't making up for, at least in terms of disposable income. So I think a lot of girls tend to get themselves in trouble by not adjusting spending to match the new job.

I have no interest in Pershing a civilian job, an plan on making a transition away from being a provider my 2020 to just producing porn exclusively in 2020. I'm sure everyone I've seen I'll still see, but that will be the end of any actual advertising.

For me, having some pretty significant PTSD from combat trauma, regular jobs creates a lot of issues. So it's very unlikely I'd even be able to do it if I wanted to. Beyond that, I'm not a fan of repetitive tasks and work, so I don't have an interest in returning. Excuse of that too.

As far as skills, being a heaux translates well to middle upper management. I've actually adapted many of the skills I have from the military directly to being a provider, so I don't see why those interpersonal skills, such as manipulating a situation, would translate amazingly well.

Since you are planning to produce porn , you are not leaving sex work. Filling gaps in employment for a new job outside of sex work is tricky. You might have to produce tax returns and a host of other docs to prove self-employment.

Darlin' you can't steal a term that we've been using for quite a while. Regardless, have fun with it!

This is my fun time and side gig. Work when I want and not because I have to. I think I've made a great life for myself and doing pretty damn well it but everyone's perception of success is different. Than again I never was a corporate girl and always have preferred working in private sector and odd hours.

Posted By: NaughtyMaddy
This is my fun time and side gig. Work when I want and not because I have to. I think I've made a great life for myself and doing pretty damn well it but everyone's perception of success is different. Than again I never was a corporate girl and always have preferred working in private sector and odd hours.
Fun times and side gig PAY off. No free fun times.

Fancy! You're mostly right....just make sure to still have free fun times too. Lol.

I have a full-time gig as well and actually was just promoted to a higher executive position. In addition, I'm working on my doctorate. So, unfortunately, the time I have usually been able to dedicate is becoming even more slim.  

Being a provider or a woman part of the Heauxverse, serves as a part-time escape from the corporate world. If we are honest with ourselves, you can't really be yourself in corporate - you can show some personality but not let it all out. You can be warm and empathetic but still have to have a little bit of ice in your veins. Here, I can be my authentic self and clients and other providers embrace that. I don't have to hide that I get to call the shots, but when I leave the office, I'm always smiling, laughing at or making inappropriate jokes, and diving head first into adventure.  

LJ, xox

And went right on to working on a PhD?  

I assume you also got a full ride  LOL

Good thing so few take any of these comments (and bios) seriously.  

Maybe you can tell the class all about your world travels?  I'm sure that there are plenty of old lonely fools who would love to hear those stories as well.

I'll miss it as I'm off to set up that first Mars base.  But once I get there, and get my internet up...I'll check back here to read your stories.

Posted By: LondonJames
I have a full-time gig as well and actually was just promoted to a higher executive position. In addition, I'm working on my doctorate. So, unfortunately, the time I have usually been able to dedicate is becoming even more slim.  
   
 Being a provider or a woman part of the Heauxverse, serves as a part-time escape from the corporate world. If we are honest with ourselves, you can't really be yourself in corporate - you can show some personality but not let it all out. You can be warm and empathetic but still have to have a little bit of ice in your veins. Here, I can be my authentic self and clients and other providers embrace that. I don't have to hide that I get to call the shots, but when I leave the office, I'm always smiling, laughing at or making inappropriate jokes, and diving head first into adventure.  
   
 LJ, xox

You feel some type of way and that's totally ok. Anytime you want to sit down and talk about your shortcomings we can. I have no reason to lie about what I do in my real life. Personally, I prefer to tell the truth because I can actually back that up.

I'm not sure why you feel it's necessary to harp on my success and what I'm trying to do to improve my life but I think your time would best be spent worrying about yours.  

All the best,  

LJ

And as promised I am checking in with your answer/s.

But...you didn't answer my post.  I'm shocked.

I do see your reply needed to go the passive aggressive response.  That isn't a shock.  

And of course you have a reason to lie.  Or maybe it's just a slight exaggeration of what you've really done in life thus far?  In any event...there are plenty of lonely old farts who actually love the stories on hookers bio's.  Perhaps you can find a few and sell them that you're really all that and then some.  

You can ask around about me...but I prefer gals who are tiny and petite.  Thanks for your offer...but I'll take a pass.

Best of luck on your stories.  

Posted By: LondonJames
You feel some type of way and that's totally ok. Anytime you want to sit down and talk about your shortcomings we can. I have no reason to lie about what I do in my real life. Personally, I prefer to tell the truth because I can actually back that up.  
   
 I'm not sure why you feel it's necessary to harp on my success and what I'm trying to do to improve my life but I think your time would best be spent worrying about yours.  
   
 All the best,  
   
 LJ

bigguy30247 reads

So you sound bitter and need to get over it.

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I'm not sure why you feel so threatened, but I suspect you don't have a graduate, let alone post graduate education (and there is nothing wrong with that).

Why do I suspect you probably only stepped onto campus because you were invited to a frat party once?

Because you can't do the math.

Graduate highschool at 17/18.
Undergraduate Degree at a 4 year college (not an AA at a community college) means she is 21/22 at graduation.
Add a Masters Degree for 2 years making her 23/24.

Given her profile age, she would be first maybe second year doctoral student.

No stories. No need for a time machine.

Now student loans are a bitch. But they aren't a free ride. I suspect she is still paying them off and will be for awhile.
BUT (dirty little secret) lots of graduate students get paid on campus. And with that pay - depending on the college - you get fee/credit waivers, so you can come out of grad school relatively debt free (but will have had zero extra income to pay down the undergrad student loans).

Look around the SB sites. Lots of them are college girls (or say they are). That supplements their income. Some move from SugarBaby to escorting ... and that can supplement it some more.

Now, you might call yourself Dr Who - but I suspect that is the Paul McGann doctor ... who none of us really consider an actual Doctor ... more of a place holder.

And I'll add - just looking over London's website ... wow. You don't find curves like that on the skinny white cheerleader types. She'd only need a couple of regular clients who appreciate an articulate, traveled, curvy and vivacious provider for an extended appointment ... and she could be doing well for herself (regardless of location).

Last month I accepted a management position paying close to 6 figures.  
It's different, time consuming, and requires a lot of thinking. I got lucky I'm always interviewed by men. I just have a way of making people feel comfortable. Getting a internships gave me opportunities to prove my worth to companies. I miss proving my worth for naughtier occasions.  

I miss traveling to big cities, staying at luxury hotels, spending a day at the spa, and being paid for being sexy. I guess that's what vacations are for, lol. I'm lucky I spent my hobby funds to get a higher education. I did online school which was more expensive but easy. I used my "people skills" to secure an internship at a prestigious company and because of my work ethic, I was offered a great opportunity with benefits.  

While hobbling, I've always kept a job, internship or volunteered. I used the hobby to network, gain people skills & invest in my education. I like the real world career but I miss the hobby like crazy.  I miss having wild sex, fulfilling fantasies, and cumming more than once a month. Being in a monogamous relationship sucks when the other partner is less interested in sex. My drive is so hefty because of these raging hormones. Wish I could find a partner to help me with my needs without getting attached emotionally; that's what I miss about the hobby.  

Feel free to email me any questions. I don't get PMs yet because I need more reviews I guess.  

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..."See my TER reviews" by your handle when you post means you have the free limited Provider VIP. That gives you access to the PM system here. You can both send and receive PM's. It's not about having more reviews. You have one and that's all it takes.

If it isn't working for you then you need to contact Admin and have them see what's wrong. Use the Contact Us link at the bottom of any page or e-mail them at [email protected] . If you e-mail use the e-mail address you used when you registered.

That's the best part and primary reason why I do it. Monogamy isn't for me.

to civvie careers and are doing well for themselves. I keep in periodic touch with 2, and regular touch with one.

I know several ladies that work regular a job (for example, in nursing) and play in their free time only.  

As far as verifiable evidence goes... I'm not about to out anyone for the sake of your question.

As far as "hooker skills" are concerned... many of the corporate middle- and upper-management/executive types I've met have been self-involved idiots. Lots of our women could eat their lunch any day when it comes to people skills and common sense.  

I never asked you to out anybody. I only asked if you verified it or just took their word for it. Nursing? We went over that in another thread. That could mean anything from a 13 an hour nurses aide to a real RN that makes 100K+

BTW: If they are still seeing tricks they have not transitioned.  

Hey, I know more than three but it's a small percentage of the total sex workers I've known over the years. I could probably come up with 30+ who quit but are UTR or using another name for their hooking. I won't out them but it's the truth.  

I have no doubt many corporate execs are idiots but the "idiots" are getting great paychecks and benefits that go way beyond what hookers are making.

one owned several small software companies and retired, another was launching a CRM application and also retired to focus on her new career, as well lafies positioned to retire as entrepreneurs, full time option traders and real estate investors.  

I personally find these women more interesting than many gals IRL approaching my age because their interest on sec is non existent.

I have an advanced degree
There are no gaps to explain as I studied full-time
As soon as I graduated I returned to the business World on a self-employed basis
I now work in corporate (engineering) - but I am also setting up my own business  
Why am I still here? Enjoyment. The money i earn from accepting a minimal amount of appointments goes into a savings account. I know many women that have successfully made the transition. If you plan your exit before you enter its not that difficult...

C

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stucaboy453 reads

they are under and you think, with all the spare time they have, they decide to go out and fuck somebody for a few hundred bucks?  Do you know what a nurse makes?  I do. I know a nurse who travels from Florida to LA to work her shift...every week.  Yes, she does make 6 figures.

I dabble in the corporate world (upper level management) but only for sex positive organizations. My LinkedIn profile has my Tantra work on my extensive resume. At this age I'm not coming in to the office for anyone unless it's a weekly meeting. Nothing I do in management can't be done from video conferences. I've had enough wealthy Johns to know that. I am still in a leadership position as a consultant for 2 organizations but I love touching people and I love cumming.

I remember supporting trips where people traveled all over the world. They saw children who lived in landfills with shacks as houses, and holes to pee in.

They played in dirty water - but the community seemed happy.  

We lose sight of what we have here sometimes, and in Western Civilization, I believe the standards we set within our culture are very skewed. but it's our culture, nonetheless. Any event you go to, plane you sit on, or even bar you drink at - the question is usually asked, "What do you do for a living?"

I tell em I'm a whore. Kidding - I tell them my man supports me financially. LOL. Great cock-blocker, by the way lol!

Please remember, women were picked as concubines to the kings and it was acceptable. Men have had, what we would now call "affairs", they would call courtesans.

I feel if someone is happy, they can make something work.

The answer to life isn't an "executive position". If everybody was an executive, the world wouldn't go 'round.

People have different joys. Many can't accept it, because it's impossible to understand it.

I remember a man who used to talk down to taxi drivers, and wouldn't tip them much, even for long rides. I always slipped another $5. He would say, "Why would you do that? They have the ability to makes something of themselves, and they're not. They don't deserve a tip."

I said, "Just because YOU wouldn't be comfortable with something, doesn't mean everybody should be uncomfortable with it."

A life is a life. And we can't all sit around and try to figure out why others do what they do, and we sure can't change it. If we do actually change others, maybe that isn't such a good thing.

I don't pity the cashier, nor the plumber. I'm glad they're there - many of which have smiles on their faces. (At Walgreens, at least lol!)

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Substance and well written! A post I thoroughly enjoyed reading...

The OP is about the ladies gals but remember you'll see the same people when you're rising that you do when you're falling. Respect is a viable mantra

And I agree 100%!  Not everyone needs a white collar, high paying job to be happy, and many of those who do aren't happy as we tend to bear witness to.

I have met some of the most fascinating pink collar workers.

Not sure what you mean by "those who have made it"- the vast majority of mid range escorts are only around for a couple of years, after which they go on to professional employment, settle down to have children, etc. It's not exactly "verifiable", but I personally know quite a few former sex workers who are now gainfully employed in a professional position. Many of them are nurses (a few different studies have found a significant prior too of sex workers are current healthcare workers or are doing sex work during education/training for a healthcare position. I find that interesting- it makes sense to me that the kind of people who can work with sick bodies without getting emotionally involved can also work with the sexual demands of healthy bodies without getting too involved personally)  

As far as advanced degrees? I've personally been close friends so with four women who started  sex work after the only job they could find with their masters/phd was at Starbucks or in food service. Only 1 of those is still around this world. Of the others, one is a married stay at home mother; the other two are successfully employed in their field.  
As far as public, verifiable success stories? Charlotte Shane is a successful writer, and the author of two published books which have done well in sales as well as garnered significant critical acclaim. Many current clients and sex workers know who she was as a "working girl" in this world, but she doesn't link her sex work persona to her professional name for her privacy.  
There are quite a few other success stories who are active in the sex worker rights community.  

Gaps in employment -
I don't think this is a problem for most. Of the higher end working girls I've known well, the ones successfully doing this as their primary or sole employment for any length of time have all had things arranged so that they have a cover story as well as a believable and verifiable job; most as a small business owner, contractor, etc.
Many others with advanced degrees do this while completing further education/training in their field, so there is no gap to explain. Lastly, there are many successfully employed women who do this on the side, in order to pay off student loans/debt, save for an early retirement, or merely for extra disposable income.  

 

Personally? I spent time in this world for a while a couple of years ago while finishing my degree and working in an internship. I left for a few years after starting my first "grown up" job in my field. After a few years, I'm still one sort of "low man on the totem pole" at work, but I've earned a solid reputation and the respect of my coworkers and bosses, so I became comfortable with  dipping my toes back in around here. I'm still very mindful of my privacy, and I don't advertise beyond having a profile on p411. My job means a  hectic and busy schedule, so that works fine for me. I primarily see regulars or referrals, along with meeting the occasional thoroughly screened new friend as my schedule (and interest) allows.  
Ok, that's veering into sounding like threAD territory, but I do have a point! My job is great, and I'd be devastated to lose the opportunity to work in my field if I were "doxxed". But my job doesn't have licensing boards, standards/ethics committees, and isn't the kind of field where my background is checked out or my history here would impact my  current work negatively. It's also the kind of field where I could work for myself, freelance, etc should scandal ever head my way. Yet I'm still that careful and under-the-radar. So I have a hard time believing thoe who claim advanced degrees and careers high up the corporate ladder, yet advertise heavily and plaster photos around the web. I'm sure there are some who truly do have those credentials or careers, but I just can't imagine putting yourself out there so heavily if you are risking the job you plan to do for the rest of your working life.

 

 
Sorry, didn't realize I wrote such a novel! Not sure it's even pertinent, as aside from a couple of  my trusted long term regulars will ever be able to 'verify' any of that, haha.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
How does hooking compare to the corporate grind with its rules and lower pay but greater security and opportunity for advancement?  
   
 For those with "advanced degrees", how do they explain the gaps in employment on their resume?    
   
 Do the hooker skills translate into those required of middle management and ultimately executive positions?  
   
 What do you think the success rate is for providers transitioning from "hooking" to pursuing a career in the real world?  
   
 It seems that all those who purport to retire return at some point.  
   
 Does anybody have any verifiable evidence of those who have made it?

My former ATF said at one point that she was a fitness trainer. I don't know if that was true, but she was certainly qualified for it. I don't know if that type of job would be something that could be salable into one's 50's or 60's.

RroseSelavy386 reads

Your schtick is tired. You've made your position crystal clear even to the slowest of us. Your premise is that no person would ever sacrifice a supposedly cushy civilian career in favor of sex work. You seem to be very bothered by sex workers who DARE, nay, who have the very TEMERITY to claim some measure of success in academia, or the corporate world, or, even more broadly, purport to have the qualifications to make a livelihood outside of sex work. Why does it burn your buns so hard, I wonder?

Can you conceive of the fact that there are as many hooker origin stories as there are hookers, and there's a complex network of interconnected variables that work in concert to bring people to the sex industry? And that this journey is not that different from the background that brought you to whatever you do to make a living, at least quantitatively?

Have you considered that your experience of the corporate world is not everyone's?  One can absolutely be extremely educated and good at one's job in the corporate milieu and still not advance or make even high 5 figures. There are definitely caps on advancement in many industries and job security is an illusion- everyone is dispensable. Not all careers that demand multiple advanced degrees generate considerable incomes. Middle management can be soul-crushing, with minimal authority and maximal responsibility. Your bosses may be total knuckleheads who have failed up, and rejoice in exploiting your work for personal gain. Even if your personal experience doesn't reflect this (you're lucky!), certainly you must concede that these circumstances are ubiquitous?

Let's say the money is exponentially better- there are plenty of people who don't measure their success by how much money they make.

If you're as smart and successful as you seem to think you are, you must be able to surmise that there are only about a billion ways that hooker skills translate in the corporate world- interpersonal skills, ability to self-start and work independently, entrepreneurship, budgeting, organization, flexibility, marketing/advertising/branding are all highly valued skill sets.  

Gaps in employment? I KNOW you know that women are still charged with the responsibility of being the primary caretakers of their children and families, so it's not unusual to have a woman entering or returning to the workforce after a gap. Some women are lucky to not have to work a 9-5 if they can't or are unable to so they can raise children and/or attend to aging parents or sick relatives. (If this mode of care taking doesn't qualify as legitimate work to you because it is unpaid, then yikes.) I also know that you know that plenty of sex workers fall into this category, too. Are you mad at that?

 Certainly many women are behind the 8 ball when attempting to return to (or enter) the workforce after a gap in employment, but that's changing (sloooowly!), and there are some sectors and companies which are more enlightened than others in this respect. If you'll concede that women seeking corporate employment after a gap caused by the above should be given due consideration, why wouldn't you concede the same for sex workers? Because sex work is...wrong? Less virtuous? Weird.

Most hookers I know work their proverbial balls off, so the argument that they're lazy or miserable doesn't hold much water. Sex work is real work, I PROMISE. It can be just as rigorous and challenging as earning an advanced degree is, and as demanding and labor intensive as maintaining a corporate position. But to stretch your credulity to accept that fact, you'd have to be humble enough to admit that perhaps you don't know everything about what it's like to be a hooker.

But let's say that EVERY HOOKER whose branding cites degrees earned or says that they're retiring to go corporate is lying. Who cares? You do, a LOT. And maybe you're part of the vicious circle- certain clients complain bitterly that sex workers are vapid or lazy or unrefined or stupid-->> hookers start inventing more "prestigious" backstories-->> clients complain bitterly that hookers are misrepresenting themselves.  

So, how about you? What's at the heart of this hooker disaccreditation campaign of yours? Are you a classist snob? Are you venting your rage on an easy target in a low-stakes, anonymous environment? Are you stewing with jealousy that people might be having more fun at their jobs than you are? Are you embittered because you perceive some injustice against you? Did a hooker retire on you only to return and not want to see you? Did a hooker fake retire to get away from you? Is it simply that you have a screw or several screws loose and hate hookers and/or women?  I have no idea, only suspicions.  

What I do know is that your posts are mean as fuck and raise my hackles with their sometimes overt and sometimes covert vitriol. I'd normally not adopt such a condescending tone, condescension sucks, but I'm mostly reflecting your tone back to you. You don't seem like a happy or healthy person, and while my heart goes out to you and I really, really hope you can get over what's bothering you so much, I know enough to use my alias. I really do think you're worthy of love like everyone else is, and that's me being 100% earnest.

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One, Someone needs a snickers...

 
Two, For bonus points, re-read the above comment with the tone of a posh British grandmother. Seems fitting.

 
and Three, Obviously having a civvie career is the ideal outcome. You can't provide forever, or at very least, you can't provide like a 25 year old woman in her prime nor can you command that kind of compensation. (Link relevant) You'll age out better in a civvie career, and spoiler alert, you can still get laid outside of the biz, so really there's no loss, but the gain is to be doing something to widespread cultural acceptance.

 

Maybe providing becomes normalized in our lifetimes, maybe it doesn't. Don't bank on a maybe, have an exit plan.

RroseSelavy359 reads

1. Nah, I'm not hangry, thanks.

2. If I were a posh British grandmother and not a hooker, would you give my insights more weight?

3a. Perhaps you didn't pick up on the context clues, but I have had and do have a civvie career.

3b. You may prefer the company of 25 year old women, but you do not speak for all clients. It may be hard to believe, Horatio, but there are clients who value other things besides youth, and will pay a premium for those things. There are many providers that are over 25 who command plenty, and get it. The idea of diminishing returns with age may be somewhat true in the TER marketplace, but that's a tiny corner of the industry.

3c. Why do you assume a civvie job is the only exit plan? A savvy hooker can save for retirement, and many do and live comfortably.

3d. Your cost/benefit analysis is only one of many possible analyses. Some people happily give up being a wage slave to pursue their true interests, and accept that they'll never be rich. Again, money is not everyone's idea of success.

Why the condescension? My motive in writing that whole screed is that maybe someone reading it would understand more about sex workers, by listening to a sex worker. Why not listen?

Yes I definitely disagree with the notion that your rates go down after you turn 25...I've seen enough women in their 30s and 40s charging MORE than they did in their 20s to know that age has only a little influence on rates.  

A civvie job isn't the only retirement plan out there...You can save enough to comfortably retire or invest in the market or real estate.  I'm not so sure these guys understand that there are ways to legitimize our income. Not to mention there are ways to still make an income in this world without actually providing like becoming an assistant, photographer, accountant...ect.  

Unlike some here I was one of those fuckers behind the curtain decades before I started internet mongering 10 years ago.   I got to see it from the inside as a non-monger and came to the conclusion that there are really only three main reasons girls become sex workers.

Poverty (the main reason)
Drugs   (could be a chicken/egg thing)
Mercenaries (they get into it because it pays more than modest jobs)

 
The mercenaries do the best of all IMO. They often become "sex worker lifers." If they start in porn they may quit acting and produce, direct , become make up artists etc. They have accepted their fate! They stay in "the playpen of the dammed" forever.

 
 There is a certain minimum amount of money you need to maintain a decent lifestyle for your family. It is not cheap to live in the Bay Area or NYC.

   
In theory hooking prepares you for a career. In practice...............You can't put hooking on a resume.

 
Gaps in employment hurt men just as much as women. HR can't ask questions about your family or a disability that may have prevented somebody from working for extended periods. Blame the federal employment laws but HR people prefer not to deal with it.

 
Sex work is illegal and socially unacceptable. You can't create the system. You can only function within it. Maybe 40 years from now things will change but you have to live in the now.

 
I already said in a previous that it's too demanding to be a sex worker and have a demanding career.

 
LMAO..........It was the other way around with "retired" hookers. During the great recession I was inundated with hookers I thought retired wanting to see "old friends." Even now it happens. Not to mention all the public retirements and comebacks.

 
Rather than call me a no good lousy bastard you resort to the "i feel sorry or you because routine." I'll continue to post reality as I see it without regard to how upsetting it is to you.  

 
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I find your term "mercenaries" interesting.

I think this is likely what you mean by "mercenary" in terms of definitions: A person primarily concerned with material reward at the expense of ethics.

That tells me you are resentful towards those of us who choose this rather than forced into this. If you think what we do is unethical than isn't paying a provider for her services unethical as well?  From what I've seen and heard about you I can only deduce that you hate women.

Since I consider myself a mercenary I see nothing wrong with it. Whoremongers and hookers are societal outcasts. On one side you have the bible thumpers. On the other side you have the radical feminists. Both groups just hate us. The business is about fast money and fast pussy. Many would question the ethics of it.

To get this back on topic the only real success stories I've seen of girls moving on had a common denominator. The girls were in their 20's enrolled in a legitimate school with admissions requirements and turned to hooking to pay for it. As soon as they graduated and got a decent job the hooker ads and everything else came down. Some worked a little UTR for a few months afterward but interest in hooking waned because it was not worth jeopardizing everything they worked so hard to get in the real world.

Potential is something you have in your 20's. A degree gets you your FIRST job. Most sex workers wake up one day at 30 years old and have no resume. After a certain age it's about experience not fancy degrees.  

I really don't care (except for immediate family and decades long friends) what anybody thinks of me or what others have said about me. A mercenary makes the same amount of money on any given day irrespective of what people think of them.

That's your issue...you think making a career out of this makes us unsuccessful in life.  You equate success with getting a degree and than going to work for some corporate drone when these days there are many different ways to be successful.  Not all of us mind being "societal outcasts"....Society is hypocritical and two faced anyways.  Working a 9-5 and having 2.5 kids with a white picket fence is extremely boring to me.  I personally know of some women in such a position that are somewhat envious because they've locked themselves into the "American dream".  Well you all can have the "American dream" because it's not my dream.  I value my freedoms more than I do the money.

I don't even want to be in the position of having to explain employment gaps.  It's likely I will eventually use my GI bill to get a degree in something that would be useful to running my own business or being self employed.  I have no concrete plans for retirement but make sure to pay myself first every month so I have something to fall back on or capital to start my own business.  In this day and age it's definitely easy to think outside the box and for me a high powered career isn't the answer.  I figure I have at least a good 10 years left in this biz so I'm more inclined to focus on improving my business here than focus on a retirement plan beyond going to school and saving money.

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I already have a professional position. It is my priority. Since I am single and no kids I have the privilege to do what I please with my free time. I love having options and being financially free and I also love escapades so why not combine the two.  

I have no gaps in employment history. That's an important thing that everyone has to think about whether you are in between jobs, taking a break for family, or taking time to pursue other dreams. Whatever it is, you better have a professional way to explain that gap. For example, I worked with a two girls in this industry who are artists. One does custom artwork and the other does sculptures. If they decided to join the corporate world one day their simple explanation for having a gap is "I took time to refine my skills in art work, and I have completed so many projects, shows, and events, and blaaa blaaa." Then they can answer the "why corporate now?" Question with "well, I have carefully studied artistry management and I know what it takes firsthand to keep business operations in tact" or something along those lines.

 
For other providers who give 100% of their time to this industry I truly don't know how they do it or what their future career goals are. But with me, my priorities are straight. If I were to receive an executive-level position in my dream city I would drop this in a heartbeat. Besides my educational background, I have skillfully selected the type of extracurricular actovities that I become involved in so that if it came down to it I could use those to back me up.

I have a bunch of small side jobs that explain how I'm able to survive to friends and acquaintances. A bunch of my muggle friends are also various types of freelancers, so they get the feast or famine thing and don't look at me too weird when I go to Europe for fun. :P
I'm an artist so my career goals are different than if I wanted to go into business, or if I were currently pursuing higher education. So my future "employers" will be people who want to invest in my art, and won't necessarily be looking at gaps in my resume.
That said, I've heard of some ladies who are now doctors, or in academia, or are landlords etc. etc. etc. I understand this is still only circumstantial, not the verifiable evidence you're hoping for, but you must understand that I can't compromise anyone's privacy.
 It's tempting to hold onto antiquated notions (even if subconsciously) of the fallen woman unable to "rise out of her circumstances," but in my experience, and among the women I've met, they've been able to move on when they want to. IF they want to.  Please also take this with a grain of salt, as I'm coming from a background of tremendous privilege.

when you seem to already know the answer.  If you already know it all, why bother asking?  Do you really need the opinions of other board mongers that you don't even know to feel justified?  

Yes, hookers are usually drug addicted, pimped out or poor women with no viable options.  Is this what you want to hear?  Ok. I said it.  Move along.  Why do you care why hookers turn tricks?  Just pay, do your thing and be done with it.  As long as she's hot, what else matters?  And I'm not even a guy, yet, that's all I'd care about.

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 Yes, hookers are usually drug addicted, pimped out or poor women with no viable options.  Is this what you want to hear?  Ok. I said it.  Move along.
God I love it when I hit a raw nerve.

I mean, it's not like they can keep hooking till they're 65. Who's really gonna pay to get a piece of that old shriveled up ass anyway? Would you do it? And 65 was just an exaggeration, because in the hobby world, a 38 year old provider is considered old. Everybody be chasing that hot little 22 year old piece of ass, and before they know it the calls stop coming in. So if they still want to eat and pay rent after a certain age, they need to transition into a regular job, and it's best to step down gracefully on her own accord than to get booed off the stage with rotten cabbage. But here's a hint; one of the most popular job sectors in which to transition is Healthcare. They pay well, they're always hiring, and many positions are entry level, so you don't need more than your GED and a certification. So use some of that hooker money to go get certified as a nurse's aide. And as for the job gaps on your resume, just tell them that you went to go have a baby.

Actually Milfs are in demand. Not every guy wants a girl young enough to be his daughter. "Milf Porn" has become one of the hottest sellers for the Mindgeek tube site empire.

There is a threshold age when every sex worker has to accept the fact their shelf life as a full service escort is over. Most will hang on in FBSM, BDSM or as bookers, madams ertc. There is no escape from the "Playpen of the Damned."

I love MILFs.  To me there is nothing sexier than an attractive MILF.  Often times they 1) are more secure with themselves and their bodies and therefore carry themselves well; 2) are excellent communicators; 3) create exceptional connections mentally and physically; and 4) are just so much more sensual than girls in their lower 20's.  Admittedly, though, there is certainly a limit.  It all depends on the lady.  For most ladies it is probably once they get into their late 40's or early 50's.  

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