Hi TopEntertainer!
How do you know their bookings or how busy they are? Truth and this hobby don't always go hand in hand. They may well be doing two dates a week or fewer. Could be the case of 'the grass is always greener.' However, if you really aren't getting as much traction as competition, first place I'd look is marketing and access. There are girls out there that have built a persona on Twitter (really engaged) and have amazingly beautiful sites. I think they have an advantage.Are you accessible? There is an amazing girl in my area who only sees clients 12:00-5:00PM. I really want to see her but it's in the middle of the workday. I'm sure there's a reason but I have to believe it slashes her business
Is there something that's scaring clients away? For example, incall in a really bad area? Are you slow to get back to guys on email? Any chance there is an old, not working phone number or email address for you floating around? In terms of appearance, I think there are niches for just about everyone - color, size, shape, style. You also might try experimenting with your price. Raise it $50 and see what happens, or drop it $50. You could even try creating a whole new persona (no face shots) at a totally different price point and see what happens. I know rule one is never listen to clients, but I hope at least some of this will be useful.
So I dont get it....
I have noticed of more than one provider with less than 10 reviews (like 2 or 3) that give CBJ, no greek, no rimming, that have the audacity of charging between 500 and 600 an hr and get solid bookings! WTF!!!
I have over 60 reviews, score between 9 and 10 and I offer pse (so you know what that means) and its been a struggle.
Is it that I need to go blonde? Do men prefer blondes to brunettes? Do men like latinas or caucasian always have the most success?
This is by no mean a hateful post, I am just trying to figure what is that men want when you already give a top notch service yet its not enough.
I wouldn't even go there. An I generally prefer brunettes. But have obviously been with blondes.
Focus on yourself and stop comparing yourself to everyone else.
Hi TopEntertainer!
How do you know their bookings or how busy they are? Truth and this hobby don't always go hand in hand. They may well be doing two dates a week or fewer. Could be the case of 'the grass is always greener.'
However, if you really aren't getting as much traction as competition, first place I'd look is marketing and access.
There are girls out there that have built a persona on Twitter (really engaged) and have amazingly beautiful sites. I think they have an advantage.
Are you accessible? There is an amazing girl in my area who only sees clients 12:00-5:00PM. I really want to see her but it's in the middle of the workday. I'm sure there's a reason but I have to believe it slashes her business
Is there something that's scaring clients away? For example, incall in a really bad area? Are you slow to get back to guys on email? Any chance there is an old, not working phone number or email address for you floating around?
In terms of appearance, I think there are niches for just about everyone - color, size, shape, style.
You also might try experimenting with your price. Raise it $50 and see what happens, or drop it $50. You could even try creating a whole new persona (no face shots) at a totally different price point and see what happens.
I know rule one is never listen to clients, but I hope at least some of this will be useful.
and to add on...
The biggest success any lady can have is keeping regulars. The better you treat them, the more you will have.
The more you have, the less likely you will be sitting at home doing nothing.
It works very well for me and I put in little effort to market myself/advertise like almost all the other ladies do. It also depends on the city. There isn't many options in my big city.
I also feel being a nice and real gal, rather than mean or stuck up, gives an advantage.
How do you know their bookings or how busy they are? Truth and this hobby don't always go hand in hand. They may well be doing two dates a week or fewer. Could be the case of 'the grass is always greener.'
However, if you really aren't getting as much traction as competition, first place I'd look is marketing and access.
There are girls out there that have built a persona on Twitter (really engaged) and have amazingly beautiful sites. I think they have an advantage.
Are you accessible? There is an amazing girl in my area who only sees clients 12:00-5:00PM. I really want to see her but it's in the middle of the workday. I'm sure there's a reason but I have to believe it slashes her business
Is there something that's scaring clients away? For example, incall in a really bad area? Are you slow to get back to guys on email? Any chance there is an old, not working phone number or email address for you floating around?
In terms of appearance, I think there are niches for just about everyone - color, size, shape, style.
You also might try experimenting with your price. Raise it $50 and see what happens, or drop it $50. You could even try creating a whole new persona (no face shots) at a totally different price point and see what happens.
I know rule one is never listen to clients, but I hope at least some of this will be useful.
I know this won't make you feel any better, but replace anything about escorting and hobbying with some other commercial enterprise.
"I wrote a great app. It does more than the competitor apps. My app is cheaper than theirs. My average rating is 9.9 and theirs' range from 6.5 to 9.5. But they have 10 million, 8 million, 3 million and 2 million downloads. I only have 900,000 downloads. It's a struggle. What do I need to do?"
"The computers I make are really good and they run a robust OS. The other guy's computers are a mishmash of parts of variable quality and run an OS that frequently crashes to a blue screen of death. Somehow, my 5-star product is losing market share to the other guys crap. What gives?"
And pick a bunch of other industry analogies.
It can be hard to explain. Maybe it CAN'T be rationally explained. Paid consultants will gladly advise you for a nice fee but no guarantee of results.
The best I've got is to ask about your marketing strategy. Do you post ads on TER? Are you on P411?
Good luck! Sometimes, that's what it comes down to.
I have noticed of more than one provider with less than 10 reviews (like 2 or 3) that give CBJ, no greek, no rimming, that have the audacity of charging between 500 and 600 an hr and get solid bookings! WTF!!!
I have over 60 reviews, score between 9 and 10 and I offer pse (so you know what that means) and its been a struggle.
Is it that I need to go blonde? Do men prefer blondes to brunettes? Do men like latinas or caucasian always have the most success?
This is by no mean a hateful post, I am just trying to figure what is that men want when you already give a top notch service yet its not enough.
-- Modified on 4/5/2017 10:41:04 PM
... if anyone can consistently command that type of rate, then that's what they deserve. They must be doing something right. It's certainly not their (or anyone else's) fault that you're struggling even with the reputation and good service standards that you've maintained, as you've pointed out.
Just as the previous poster mentioned, focus on how to better market yourself and worry less about other people's business practices. My question to you would be... is this really about their successes or is this more about your inabilities?
Now regarding what men want, let's just say that this is not a level playing field, and unfortunately, that's the nature of this business.
not sure how you know what another escort is doing.however much an escort sets her rates is her business.
I would look at your own marketing instead of worrying about what the next chick is doing.
Mama always said if you worry about yourself that is a full-time job no time to worry about others.
Have you tried new photos/website?Rewrite ad copy offer a new service,tour if your home base is not bringing enough money.
you say you ain't hatin but that is exactly how your post comes off as...hatin.
I would agree to this 100%. I update my pictures always and doing shoots on the regular. I think it has to do mainly with the way you market yourself. I am on Eros, RS2K, P411, and TER along with a couple more and I market myself a ton. Yes, it costs a bit of money but in the long run the results are great. The more effort you put into getting yourself out there the better it will be for you.
Not a single snarky post asking if you might only be "all that" in your own mind, that maybe the reason you are posting from behind an alias is that in fact you are a member of the OTHFBC, or at least no one has done so until now. lol
Until you reveal who you are, none of our advice is going to be worth the zero dollars you are paying for it.
If you want honest feedback from the hobbyist community, we need more info about who you are otherwise every comment is mere speculation.
There are just too many unknown variables to consider.
guys are willing to pay for something normally unattainable... up to a certain price.
They want to remember her pretty face on their dick, embracing her tight body, kissing that pretty face.
Not everyone wants freaknasty pornstar sex. A lot of guys are vanilla.
"Audacity" ? She knows how to milk those vanilla guys with lots of disposable income.
As with everything , there probably is a touch of white privilege.
Just look at dating statistics... white women enjoy more attention than any other group of women.
This is by far the most ignorant shit I've ever read
Then you've had the good fortune not to read the rest of the ignorant shit this guy posts.
The way the post was titled was rude but potentially rather honest about our industry. He does make a point about beauty standards in the United States and how it plays a roll in sex work.
While "attractiveness" comes down a list of things like the symmetry of a person's face, race does play a role in many countries as much as I hate to admit it. A simple Google Scholar, EBSCO Host, or other scholarly search engines bring to the forefront hundreds of articles with thousands of hours of research on the topic of white women being perceived as more beautiful in the States. There are even qualitative and quantitative base studies on how adopting what is considered, "predominately black features" (bigger behind, larger hips, plumper lips), is perceived as more beautiful on a white woman, while those features can be a hinderance to black women and other women of color who are already hypersexualized.
I must admit it's rather interesting to read even if you may not agree. Nothing wrong with expanding our knowledge base or keeping up in the world.
Ms goody two shoes lol,you have some BLACK in you based off of your profile and it's obvious from your facial features
So Stop trying to put yourself at the top of the pedestal just because you have some caucasian in you.Your profile says "mixed" not white.Learn to love all of yourself not just the white side.I didn't know this much self hatred in the world still existed smh.But then again,look at what you do for a living.Take care love
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I normally do not buy into responding to such statements but I feel the need to address your statement.
I'm not entirely sure what your issue is with me since you are opting to hide behind an alias. However, if one were to take a few moments to look at my website, you'd see that the shirt in the picture next to my bio states, "Black By Popular Demand". If you were to view my twitter account, you would see how often I champion the rights of my Native American tribes I am affiliated with and my Black and Brown brothers and sisters. If you could look at the proofs of my new photos, you'd see the sweater I am wearing saying "Black Women are Magic".
You see, I actually claim more of my Black and Native American roots than my Italian, French, and English. Why? Because even though I served in the Navy and was readily willing to die for my country to defend people like you, I live in Texas and the south where the one drop rule still applies. Because even though I have a salaried career and am one of the only WOC doing what I do, I still have to deal with folks like you who think that I'll use what little ounce of white privilege I have to get ahead. No, instead I use it to speak truth because my brand and my business as an escort can take the hit since this isn't my full time gig.
So before you come to me and spew that I have self-hatred, I suggest you go look in the mirror and check yourself. Clearly, there are some underlying issues that you may have.
I wish you nothing but the best and am sending you positive vibes for your future success.
Warm Regards,
LJ, xox
So Stop trying to put yourself at the top of the pedestal just because you have some caucasian in you.Your profile says "mixed" not white.Learn to love all of yourself not just the white side.I didn't know this much self hatred in the world still existed smh.But then again,look at what you do for a living.Take care love -- Modified on 4/6/2017 10:22:05 AM
Shame?
You want to shame providers because
you don't like the fact that they are doing what they want with their bodies?
I'm not a hooker I'm a provider😂😂😂These are 2 different things sweetness.Hookers are low class.Providers are highclass
Reminds me of a song.
The horse is against the automobile
The bus is against the train
The train is against the jumbo jet
And I'm against fishing in the rain
But I'm for love
I thought "Mscurious" was a guy hobbyist.
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"Hookers" are not worried about what others think of them.
Hookers/ Whores are unshakeable as to who they are and what they do.
They live, and love who they are, and are proud to own their sexuality.
"Providers" (the insistence on the correctly couched word) are split between the money of escorting
and "the way things look" for the civilian world.
They are Ashamed of the part of them that sucks a dick
and feel a great need to condemn the girls who are not exactly like them.
The "Shaming", even with the different terms for different words, is to keep the girls Down.
When they condemn the "Hooker" ,
they condemn that part of them which is a "Provider".
It's a very tumultuous existence for them.
That part of them that hates sucking dick, hates themself for doing it.
-- Modified on 4/7/2017 2:06:56 AM
Every study I've ever seen on American tastes has pretty much proven that men prefer hookers who are white blondes with big tits. Having a nice ass helps. Being in the 24-35 age group is ideal. You can look this up in articles written by the Economist.
This assumes you are not a "butterface." This assumes you are not seriously overweight.
"PSE" could mean anything. I'll assume you do anal. That helps but the visuals are what attract the initial interest. Giving PSE service is certainly better than CBJ. I would not pay a low dime for a CBJ.
Everything else is just marketing.
Does not matter how pretty the girl is, not going to happen for me period. Guys who do pay for CBJ in my opinion are either fools or pussies!
I did an All Cities search using Anal, BBBJ, not Blond with scores of 9/9 thru 10/10 and narrowed it down to 757 providers. Fess up!
-- Modified on 4/6/2017 7:01:05 AM
you'd be better able to showcase yourself to potential clients. As a fellow BBBJ and PSE companion, it is more than a little disturbing to see you claim that any companion who isn't Greek friendly or only offers CBJ has the "audacity" to charge what they see fit... as if they *should* charge less than they do.
Take a step back and examine how "hobbyist culture" is affecting you. From my experience, these rules about who should or shouldn't charge xyz mean much less than some of the more verbose hobbyists would like us heaux to think. Which is clearly what you're experiencing. But rather than throwing shade at your colleagues, focus on getting your strategy together to better serve you.
Have you Really bought into that shit?
Focus on yourself and your Wonderfulness.
You're listening too much to what society and marketing is pumping into you.
Yes, they're fucking your mind and You Pay by giving up a little more of yourself
each time you Believe the load that is their story.
You are Beautiful.
Learn how to Project it and Never compare yourself with another.
When you Love yourself first,
you will always be able to share what soooo many people need,,,,,Love.
Cindi Lauper got it right... Girls just want to have fun.
Well...do you have regulars? If you don't have many repeat clients, it may be something your doing. I've been a provider for a little over a year and I have no issues, honestly I often feel overwhelmed by emails. I honestly don't even really need to see new people. I also have over 60 reviews.. I actually have some 8s in my reviews (gasp) lol
what are your rates?
what is your age?
what area are you working in?
It may just be your rates are too high for where you are?
I would look and see what rates girls similar to your stats are in your area.
as for hair color and race, I think it does matter. I think overall white and light hispanic women probably do get more business and the same with hair color, blondes are most likely more preferred by the majority but certainly not all!
Matters more than anything. Personally I don't give two craps about hair color, I couldn't care less if it was purple or blue as long as it fits an attractive frame. I will say that I do prefer caucasian providers, but I won't discriminate against a lady of any other color just because of skin. Everyone has their own fetishes, mine just so happen to be DD man-mades with porcelain skin.
Also you have to take into account fake reviews and suspect multiple reviews written by only one reviewer in that same category. I for one specifically look for providers that offer PSE (Greek, BBBJ, MSOG, etc) at reasonable rates (around $500 or so with no upsell) and that has been a struggle.
My stance is, CBJ for that price is a showstopper, but their are clients out there who prefer to keep everything safe (including CBJ) and some don't care about Greek.
I have noticed of more than one provider with less than 10 reviews (like 2 or 3) that give CBJ, no greek, no rimming, that have the audacity of charging between 500 and 600 an hr and get solid bookings! WTF!!!
I have over 60 reviews, score between 9 and 10 and I offer pse (so you know what that means) and its been a struggle.
Is it that I need to go blonde? Do men prefer blondes to brunettes? Do men like latinas or caucasian always have the most success?
This is by no mean a hateful post, I am just trying to figure what is that men want when you already give a top notch service yet its not enough.
-- Modified on 4/6/2017 9:16:46 AM
As you think you are. Take a step back and look at yourself and what YOU are doing. If your business is slacking...it's you...not other providers. Now if you don't want to look at yourself and change some things than look at what these girls are doing. Maybe they are sweeter than honey (because face it....people don't hire us to hear us bitch) maybe they have some crazy ass moves...who kn0ws. But assuming they are making more bc of hair color or race is kind of silly, seems like a way for you to use that as an excuse. Worry more about you and your services and your business should thrive.
Water your grass and it will grow.
-- Modified on 4/6/2017 6:39:23 AM
...how about some cheese with your whine?
Clearly everyone has pointed out that it's important to just manage your own business and not worry about what other people have going on. I saw somewhere along the post that race was brought up... If you check the top 100 providers the #1 lady is a black girl who should probably be a super model. Also, in my area of Orlando the top 1 or 2 lady has been a black girl for as long as I can remember. I hardly ever see her advertise and yet she is consistently at the 1 or 2 spot for several years. I don't think that plays a negative roll at all. In fact I know several guys who purposely choose darker skinned women because it is so different than what they are used to and they like that.
we should mind our own business.
...they are great at what they do provide.
And again usually "so hot it hurts" hot so to them banging a girl like that is once in a lifetime to them.
Most of the time they happen to be Caucasian.
You said your post wasn't meant to be hateful but words like audacity don't exactly sound friendly or kind.
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Plus we don't know who you are, so any advice would be just general advice. The way you worded your post sounds just like sour grapes from an escort. I read the post and my impression is that you aren't looking for any real advice, only using this as an avenue to vent your frustrations. If you had said something to the effect of "I'm am trying to figure out ways to expand my business, get repeat clients and increase my hourly rate. Do you have any suggestions?" I would have taken your post more seriously. However, I will try to give you some of my general opinions.
First off, while there is some correlation between looks/service and TER scores, it is far from an exact science. One man's 8 could be another man's 10. Then there are plenty of guys that are overly generous with there scores or the escort could have friends or "friends" reviewing her multiple times. There probably are BBWs on here that have close to 9/9 scores. While there's nothing wrong with that, it's not what most people are seeking. They are providing to niche market and most likely cannot command the rates that a young blonde that visits the gym regularly can. So be honest with yourself when comparing your looks vs. these other escorts charging 500+. Maybe you are attractive enough to command those rates, but I can't say for sure because the post is by an alias.
Location is also very important factor in rates. I used live in an area that had a population of around 500,000, now I live in an area with at least a few million. I would say an escort could easily charge 1.25x-1.5x in my current city. More people(particularly wealthy people)= More inquires at any given price point.
Lastly, It doesn't always come down to a list of services you provide. In fact, of the ones you listed, the CBJ is the only one I would wince an eye at. I personally couldn't care less about greek, rimming etc. I personally would not book an escort that only offers CBJ though, but to each his own. I would also prefer more than 3 reviews, but every escort I have seen has had less than 40 when we first met.
To answer the blonde and Latina/Caucasian questions. I actually prefer dark hair, the darker the hair the better. I prefer black hair the most. I think blonde hair would be the most popular in general though. While I prefer white/Caucasian, I have seen Asian and Latina escorts and would be open to seeing black escorts.
Most of all, never complain about other escorts or your TER review scores while in a fuck session. That is a total and instant buzzkill. unfortunately it has happened a couple times for me and it's usually about review scores.
I agree that this is a free market. You own and manage your own business. Free market principles such as competition apply. Supply and demand. Willingness to pay. Pricing strategy. Location. Marketing. In general, I believe that there is a strong correlation between ratings (which become more and more objective as the # or sample size increases) and what a lady can charge (price). Example hourly rate:
9.5+, 9.5+ = $500+
9-9.5, 9-9.5 = $400-500
9, 9 = $350
8.5-9, 8.5-9 = $300
8, 8 = $250
7-8, 7-8 = $200
less than 7 = less than$200
Based on my location, the above pricing structure seems to be what the market has dictated. Thoughts?
It's rather pointless comparing yourself to the specific providers you mentioned. People like to lie and say they are doing well when they aren't anyways. It's kind of hard to figure out what you are doing wrong so I can really only speak for myself. I've had slow periods but I've found Twitter has really helped since I started using it. I even managed to do a rate increase and business has really only seemed to increase since then.
There is no reason to compare yourself to other providers.
I have found that most ladies pretend they are busy when they are not. They really have you guys fooled on that one.
I know quite a few who say they are so busy but yet they do twitter all day long and unless they are doing 15 min visits, they are just trying to keep an illusion up.
Much like some say they don't do last minute requests, advertise on BP, lower rates etc.... you name it. I am not saying it holds true with all by any means. I m just saying that a few typically say one thing and reality is quite different. It's the same ones who yell at other girls for not being perfect.
I only have time for so much and I've been spending my time on twitter lately. You can see where I will have a blast of tweets for 20mins and then I will disappear for a chunk of time, on and off all day.
I can multitask and watch tv or eat while randomly tweeting.
ladies offer their sometimes limited menu for what appears to me to be above average rates. They will not get my business regardless of how attractive they think they might me. After 10+ years in P4P, I am not about to venture out and TOFTT and get a disappointing experience because there were no reviews to read to help ensure a quality experience with menu items I value.
I can't believe everyone is giving this post the light of day considering the OP, an alias, went silent after the post. No conversation, no added info or thanks for the advise. This should be on the newbie board " how to be a provider 101". If she truly wanted advice to improve her business she should post under her ad name, or at least respond to ALL this free advise that just keeps coming.
I certainly didn't, I only suggested she is most likely a member of the OTHFBC and was simply too ugly to get any business.
Yeah, I call BS too. lol
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If she's getting steady clients and good reviews, she's doing something right. Just do you. She's gonna keep doing her and getting that money so no reason to complain.