give imbeciles a bad name. This is a new low even for a moron like you.
I have noticed that many classified ads have disclaimers stating that they don't service black men. It has been said that it's just a matter of personal preference, but I'm not buying that excuse because wouldn't other races of men also be excluded if that were the case? But in this case, the exclusion applies almost entirely to black men.
It could just be that they are racist. But then again, even black escorts are saying it as well, while there are others who are saying no black men under 35, which would suggest that they think the under 35s are immature and irresponsible as a whole. As a black man myself, I've had many encounters with providers of all different races who all seem to really enjoy my company, and for the most part, my experiences with them have been positive.
So what's the real deal here as to why many providers are deviating from seeing black clients? Are black thugs making it hard for decent black men who are just out here trying to get laid? Does this sort of thing only happen in America, or do foreign women feel the same way? And finally, this next one is specifically for the ladies; what would you like to see black men do differently to become more appealing to you?
It's really sad 
And theres nothing you should have to do to be more appealing.....You can be the biggest gentleman ever and you will still find ladies unwilling to see someone because of the color of thier skin....smh....
Perhaps it is the fact that black men are 800% more likely to be violent than white men. (crime statistics.)
And theres nothing you should have to do to be more appealing.....You can be the biggest gentleman ever and you will still find ladies unwilling to see someone because of the color of thier skin....smh....Sheesh!
Did you forget these ladies check references? Now, a lady can refuse to see anyone she wants, but let's not make up BS to cover bias and prejudice.
And, yes this is one tired topic. IMHO.
In relation to the person being prejudice?
What is a person going to lose by being prejudice?
And theres nothing you should have to do to be more appealing.....You can be the biggest gentleman ever and you will still find ladies unwilling to see someone because of the color of thier skin....smh....It's a symptom of white European race culture - which infects all members of that culture.
I hope like hell this thread ends up on the P&R board soon....
Their minds have been conditioned by the white man's lies.
Or they just notice painfully obvious things.
Who don't see black clients?
Honestly- someone may have a prejudiced view of a group that does not apply to an individual.
As humans we don't like strangers or strange groups. But once you get to know someone -they aren't strange anymore...
exactly!
I am tired of people playing the race card. It means nothing anymore.
Yeah that sounds about right. I think past experiences play a role also. I used to feel a certain way about black men because I noticed was only harassed on the street by black men and sometimes hispanic. White men barely looked at me and very rarely catcalled me or gave me trouble. I'm mixed (French - Puerto Rican) but I look black and that could be why I got much more attention from those groups.
But anyways I realized that everyone is different and you're not defined by your race. I've seen a few black men and they were gentlemen, not to mention great in bed! 
Which isn't a bad thing, prejudice is an instic that animals have which helps to keep them alive.
Have you ever noticed a animal get nervous around a human, that is also prejudice, the animal is pre judging the humam, the animal has no idea if the human wants to eat the animal, or pet the animal.
It is total ignorance to believe that prejudice can only be used to call someone a racist.
But the most plausible explanation is this::
You made me chuckle with that photo!
Steph xoxo
I'm sure that every provider has their reasons. Everyone has there preference and reasons. We need to respect preferences and boundaries. Maybe the provider just isn't physically attracted to a particular segment of the population? Maybe she had a few bad experiences in the past and their was a common factor (ethnicity or something)? Maybe it is because she is overgeneralizing and assuming that a certain subset of the population is well-endowed and she is petite and doesn't want to deal with that? Maybe she doesn't want to deal with immature kids and therefore only sees guys 35/40+? Maybe black escorts are doing this because they want to decrease the probability of running into someone they know? Ask her -- maybe she will give you an answer. But don't feel entitled to one. In the end, it almost doesn't matter. I do, however, understand the desire to just know why. I am still developing my opinions on many things and use this forum --- to an extent --- as a sounding board to refine my beliefs and opinions.
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I give providers my race and age when I book. So far so good I have not heard "I don't see black men". One white provider run out a money because her black provider roommate stole her money. When I booked the white provider she said "I guess so I will see a black man, no one else will see me". She wanted money up front for the hotel room. Everyone else was scared to see her because of room situation. This did help with black and white hobby relations in our region. I have noticed many have taken off "NO AA" off their ads.
This question has been talked about so many times already, some ladies just don't want to fuck black guys, leave it at that.
Racist or not, it's there prerogative to have sex with whom ever they want.
But some will never understand and continue to feel some type of way.
I know some ladies who live to fuck black guys in civvy life but won't do it professionally.
I've asked a few of the ladies that I've gotten comfortable with about this exact issue. The reason thatthey both gave me was because most all of the black guys pretend to want service, but are actually looking to recruit the girls to work for them. So, basically the no black men statement in their ad is to prevent the whole discussion or sales pitch from the black guy to be her pimp and get her alot more business if the girl works for him...
It could just be that they are racist. But then again, even black escorts are saying it as well, while there are others who are saying no black men under 35, which would suggest that they think the under 35s are immature and irresponsible as a whole. As a black man myself, I've had many encounters with providers of all different races who all seem to really enjoy my company, and for the most part, my experiences with them have been positive.
So what's the real deal here as to why many providers are deviating from seeing black clients? Are black thugs making it hard for decent black men who are just out here trying to get laid? Does this sort of thing only happen in America, or do foreign women feel the same way? And finally, this next one is specifically for the ladies; what would you like to see black men do differently to become more appealing to you?
When I see it in an ad the first thing I think is Pimping. Either they have one, or they don' t want to get caught up with a pimp . Second, the younger AA males are hustlers and they don't have the respect that other males do. They will NCNS, short, haggle, cross boundaries in several different ways. Not all AA are like this.
It just means these ladies do not want to see black men. Their reasons are none of my business. Its her pussy, her rules. I've also seen a lot that say "no men over 60," especially from providers in their 20's. I'm there in a couple of years, but I don't take offense. Its their choice.
It just means these ladies do not want to see black men. Their reasons are none of my business. Its her pussy, her rules. I've also seen a lot that say "no men over 60," especially from providers in their 20's. I'm there in a couple of years, but I don't take offense. Its their choice.
You see it moreso with low-end, providers, probably because they don't bother screening. (Though middle and higher-end ladies exclude entire classes of people, too.) Their prices and hurdles don't deter ne'er-do-wells from bothering them, so they've found an easy way to filter out a lot of the violent ones, the druggies/drunks, the would-be pimps, etc. Plus, the immature, the time-wasters, and the negotiators. That's the thought process, anyway.
Then again, some girls just don't want to have sex with black guys. It's unlikely to be due to racism, at least the way we usually define that term, considering all the black girls who do it.
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Pay attention to data. White people are more likely to use nearly every drug than any other racial group. So screening based off of drug use would eliminate white people. It's screening of a racist stereotype and that's it.
If a provider is categorically denying a class of men based on skin tone, that's racism. Explain it how ever one wants, be it "personal choice or whatever horse shit reason they come up with, but it's still just poorly dressed racism.
I don't find myself to be attracted to Black men, however, I don't advertise "no black men." Give me Asian, Japanise, Spanish, White, Indian, Armenian, Aarab, Moroccan.... Love them all but I just can't see myself having more than a friendly conversation with a Black guy. Just not my taste.
- Guys younger than 35 tend to be immature.
- Guys younger than 35 have less disposable income.
- The black community, in general, has a higher STD rate.
- Black guys have a higher risk of becoming violent.
- AA have a higher risk of starting the "I PIMP U" conversation.
I know strippers in Rhode Island clubs that will have sex with AA in the champagne room but will not see AA outside unless they saw them multiple times in the club.
I've been in this hobby for much longer than what I've disclosed, but I've always noticed an unfortunate pattern amongst young men of African descent:
1. Some are abrasive/ immature/ lack professionalism in
tone when calling
2. A lot of younger black men do not like to follow protocol
3. A lot of young black potential clients like to negotiate rates
4. A lot of them ask vulgar questions over the phone
5. Never show up on time/ slow poke/ never show at all
6. With some black clients you never know what is going to walk through your door or what the true intention is. Ive had a black client book an appointment just because he thought I looked like a girl that screwed him over. He only booked so he could punch me in the face. But upon realizing I wasn't her, he apologized/ explained and left. Scary.
7. Some black clients are cheap and don't like to tip
8. Some feel that because black women are so accessible that we should be lower priced
My deal is, I see black men and have always seen black men but because of my experiences with them I choose to see Black men who are 35 and older because it cuts a lot of bullshit and helps me NOT waste my time. Presentation is everything especially over the phone. The black clients I do have are 40 and over and I only have 4.
I'm not racist, I just don't want to waste my time or energy with clients who call and don't book 90% of the time. Sometimes black men hear the rates and hang up on you because they don't like what they hear. Some will curse you out too before hanging up. Who wants that aggravation? And its worth noting that black guys don't have a good rep in this hobby due to the actions of a ton of bad apples PLUS the pimp shit from the 60s and 70s and 80s fucked it up too.
I met an ex madame from Seattle who told me she would just hang up and block the numbers of black guys because she knew they weren't about spending money. She had been in the game for ages. A lot of black providers I've met pretty much say the same thing. As far as foreign escorts go... I hear that they don't ever see black men unless they are somebody famous or very rich.
Its unfortunate. Sorty you're having so much difficulty.
This lady knows what she is talking about. Nuff said.
I love when a lady of color and elegance takes the time to answer a question such as this, with such grace and poise. Thank you for being such a wonderful representation.
Thank you Lady Opium, this is by far the most informative answer I've received on this thread. The men who make it bad for others are very inconsiderate because they have the luxury of going home to their wives afterwards, but for others who are still single, the hobby is their only means by which to get laid.
1. Some are abrasive/ immature/ lack professionalism in
tone when calling
2. A lot of younger black men do not like to follow protocol
3. A lot of young black potential clients like to negotiate rates
4. A lot of them ask vulgar questions over the phone
5. Never show up on time/ slow poke/ never show at all
6. With some black clients you never know what is going to walk through your door or what the true intention is. Ive had a black client book an appointment just because he thought I looked like a girl that screwed him over. He only booked so he could punch me in the face. But upon realizing I wasn't her, he apologized/ explained and left. Scary.
7. Some black clients are cheap and don't like to tip
8. Some feel that because black women are so accessible that we should be lower priced
My deal is, I see black men and have always seen black men but because of my experiences with them I choose to see Black men who are 35 and older because it cuts a lot of bullshit and helps me NOT waste my time. Presentation is everything especially over the phone. The black clients I do have are 40 and over and I only have 4.
I'm not racist, I just don't want to waste my time or energy with clients who call and don't book 90% of the time. Sometimes black men hear the rates and hang up on you because they don't like what they hear. Some will curse you out too before hanging up. Who wants that aggravation? And its worth noting that black guys don't have a good rep in this hobby due to the actions of a ton of bad apples PLUS the pimp shit from the 60s and 70s and 80s fucked it up too.
I met an ex madame from Seattle who told me she would just hang up and block the numbers of black guys because she knew they weren't about spending money. She had been in the game for ages. A lot of black providers I've met pretty much say the same thing. As far as foreign escorts go... I hear that they don't ever see black men unless they are somebody famous or very rich.
Its unfortunate. Sorty you're having so much difficulty.
Some ladies choose to keep these stereotypes going too.
So should white clients pay for the past sins of white pimps or the mob?
They choose to focus in on certain stereotypes and people.
It's good and bad guys in all races.
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Most of the time they are bait and switch providers. Many are scared that a black man will beat them and or rob them for bait and switch. Other reasons they are being run a pimp (usually a black one) who is jealous of black clients. The black pimp is afraid that another black pimp might steal her away.
Other reasons is that they had issues being robbed/raped by previous black clients.
You can fill in the other reasons, such as body dimensions.
It use not be that way.
I saw a black provider post a funny statement in her ads, "that most black men don't have the money to hobby".
Well considering most of your reviews are of $50 per hour back page skanks I guess that is the most correct answer.......they can't afford it or they won't pay the price.
Other reasons is that they had issues being robbed/raped by previous black clients.
You can fill in the other reasons, such as body dimensions.
It use not be that way.
I saw a black provider post a funny statement in her ads, "that most black men don't have the money to hobby".
So, I literally just finished a conversation with one of my clients about this and he happens to be white. So, I'm just going to put here what I said to him. Now, this is an abbreviated version of our conversation which was awesome to have. I think we all could learn so much from one another if we learned how to actually have civil dialogue discourse versus just discourse. I digress.
1. While it really does hurt me to hear this time and time again, I would argue it's sometimes the the same reason some clients say "No AA women" or won't see someone who is even part black. We all are attracted to different things and we all have the right to do as we please. This is not a business that is reported to the BBB or subject to non-discrimination laws. It just is what it is.
However, research has shown consistently that attractiveness is racialized and white phenotypic characteristics are deemed more attractive than black phenotypic characteristics. It is one of the reasons that lighter skinned black women are perceived as more beautiful than darker skinned black women. But that even has historical context to it stemming from slavery.
Y'all, I do not make this stuff up. You can literally google it. I would attach the articles, but I can't here and if I offer you the link, you can't get to it unless you have paid access to the various scholarly journals. If you want the articles, I'd be happy to email them to you. Just send me an email.
2. We all have the ability to act like decent folks with some damn sense. There is a level of maturity and professionalism I feel a person has to have in this world, sometimes more so than the "real world". While we could slice and dice the meaning of "professionalism" and who really defines that term, at the end of the day... we all could agree on what it is. At times, from what I have heard and from my personal experience, appears to be a lack of decorum primarily from men of color, not just black men. Personally, regardless of the potential client, if I'm approached in a negative way, I'm going to email that person back telling them why their approach was highly disrespectful and how to move forward from that. Usually, all issues are corrected by the second email and I have no issues. So maybe sometimes it could benefit the community as whole to give the potential client a little bit of education on decorum.
3. Media. I think sometimes the media can influence and emphasize stereotypes which only potentially perpetuate the need to live up to the said stereotype AND/OR perpetuates the stereotype even further to outside demographics.
4. Now we all, regardless of race, have prejudices and biases, but this person could just straight up be a racist. Point. Blank. Period. *They think #PepsiLivesMatter, police don't show up in riot gear, and riots look like Coachella. If Dr. King has known that all it would take is a Pepsi... damn.
But here is the real question - why are you mad? You now know the people you don't want to see or invest your funds in. Keep it moving and go find someone who is down for all the shades of black and brown.
Warm Regards,
LJ,
*That was all sarcasm.
...Is not going to fly when prostitution gets legalized. Once that happens, providers are going to have to follow local, state and federal civil rights laws and supply their services to anyone who can pay the bill and hasn't been legally prohibited from hiring someone to have sex with them. Unless you think we're going to pass a constitutional amendment just to exclude sex workers from complying with something every other business has to deal with.
Black, white, 800 pounds, 14" dick, bad breath, only speaks In swear words, carries a gun (in some places), brings a service python, 18 years old (or whatever the cutoff age is), 81 years old, wears a turban, wears a beret... The list of undesirable characteristics will be longer than the list of synonyms for tits, dick, pussy and ass combined, and any provider who won't provide to someone is going to have to judge the possibility of being sued for not taking their money and being their honey.
Goddamn unintended consequences.
First, their happy places would have to be deemed "public accommodations." That's conceivable for massage parlors, but highly doubtful there would be the political wherewithal to do it with independent providers.
There are already a billion ways around anti-discrimination laws in person-to-person businesses, and there should be. I can foresee the diversity machine coming after legal prostitutes, but I'm not confident they'd win.
Anyone who conducted business or offered to conduct business in a hotel would be using a public accommodation. Anyone who offered services to residents of other states would be conducting interstate commerce.
The major problem is going to be the anti-legalization crew, whether in government or not, using this as a cudgel to harass providers out of business. They will be relentless, loud and powerful.
One way around this is to conduct business under a non-profit/religious arrangement which make for an interesting set of letters to the IRS.
Providers who work in legal brothels still get to refuse service...no matter what the reason.
Even in my civie life I don't date black men.It's a personal preference of mine.I get bashed all the time by black men because I'm not attracted to them lol.But like I said.Its my body.It's my pussy.I choose who I want to see
In my area roughly 2/3 of women in ads state no AA. Just as many black girls as white refuse to see AA men, maybe more..that alone should kill the racism argument. I've asked several and the answer is always something along the lines of too aggressive and a large percentage that show up are in fact looking to recruit them and take their money. Two told me they had to completely change their online name/identity to avoid over aggressive pimp types intimidating them into working for them that showed up initially posing as clients. I'm sure there are some great aa clients but the percentages that are after something else compared to other races have wrecked it for the legit ones.
I haven't seen a ad that said no Muslim men.
Joke of the year right hear.
I've seen them once or twice. Much much less than no AA. Even in a fairly tolerant place like Cali.
They pay African Americans to sing stupid shit to keep the black race repressed.
Turn on the radio it's all trap music. If that's all you hear, you are going to hear, that's all you are going to believe.
give imbeciles a bad name. This is a new low even for a moron like you.
I think he is trying EXTRA hard to run up an insurmountable lead while his fatty brother is on time out so he can finally win that SPOTY trophy he's been coveting since the very first year we held the competition.
Poor fatty, always a bridesmaid, but never a bride.lol
and the people listing to it aren't ignorant.
Check
for the reason why they do not see aa clients.I call bs especially if you are seeing fat white men or other races you can't say you are attracted to that.What these women will not share is many are pimped and their man is black he tells them you better not see aa clients.I have heard from many many providers mouths through the years.It is not about attraction and all of this other bs people try to come up with to justify why they mention no aa in their ads.
The black women who say that are pimped they will not mention it here but for the people who have been in this game for years know how this works.To the OP I wouldn't see no matter color you are...your shitty ass reviews is enough for me to pass on you not your skin color.
If your answer is any number higher than zero, you are dumber than FatVern.
So just how many pimped women do you come in contact with? Don't you feel the least bit of guilt for seeing women being pimped out, losing their right to exercise free will, and not only doing nothing about it, but feeding the beast to boot? In your own way you are a bigger POS than the OP.
I think she may be a provider or a female and not a hobbyist?
Why is she hanging around with "pimped" women?
There are very few things we are virtually unanimous about around here, being "anti pimp" is one of them.
when you work for agency you come across all kind of women.Just repeating what I have heard directly from their mouth.
Not saying that the providers who answered this thread our pimped that is not what I am saying at all.
Majority of the answers here from providers was not that they do not see aa clients.
I do not condone pimping and do not hang out with women who do but when you work for an agency you meet all kind of women from different places.
But the attraction excuse is just that bs I heard it when working with those kind of providers who would say that and then outside their black dude is waiting in the car.
The guy who fucks young women in third world countries. And claims to hobby in Atlanta.
You couldn't sound like a bigger dumb ass if you tried.
So just how many pimped women do you come in contact with? Don't you feel the least bit of guilt for seeing women being pimped out, losing their right to exercise free will, and not only doing nothing about it, but feeding the beast to boot? In your own way you are a bigger POS than the OP.
For the record, most of Latin America is "pimp free" as prostitution is legal while pimping is not. Since the chicas don't have to worry about getting arrested for going to the cops about pimps, pimping is almost non existent in places like Costa Rica.
Now let me ask you, do you plan on keeping this handle up through the end of the voting for SPOTY this year? It would be a shame to get disqualified for the third year out of the five years we've held the contest just because you can't keep the same handle long enough.
and you think you never got your dick wet by a woman who was pimped or has a pimp, sounds down right naive and ignorant.
Like women in countries where prostitution is legal can't have pimps, and then you go on to talk about SPOTY, and which handle I use.
Like I said before you sound like a dumb ass.
The term "pimp" can cover any number of situations...from the stereotypical black pimp to an agency owner to a husband or boyfriend living off their SO's wages and using manipulation to keep them working in this profession. Though I find it somewhat unlikely that a provider who is posting on here is being pimped we can't really assume that with 100% certainty. I know of a few women who kept it pretty well hidden...even the ones with the stereotypical pimps. There was an agency owner a while back in the Carolinas who was very pimp like and would post under provider's names.
but they always tip their hand and are summarily ridiculed and run off the boards, but I am talking about "several" out of several hundred thousand TER members, to be honest about it, they are a statistical irrelevancy here.
TER is not totally "pimp free" or even "pimped free" but it's pretty damn close.
People here are so quick to cry racism, but it's not that. There wouldn't be so much smoke if there wasn't any fire. I'll be real since others are afraid to be. They are simply taking precaution due to black men having a history of being more likely to get violent or be cheap. I hate saying that, but if there wasn't truth to it, it wouldn't be a thing. I'm sorry, that's just how it is. These providers probably have black friends or even date black guys and are fine with them. But obviously enough providers have shared bad stories or seen common complaints to where it became a common thing.
So yes, the thugs ruined it for you all I'm afraid. I'm siding with the providers only because I feel there would not be so much smoke if there wasn't some fire.
As long as it stays illegal.
As it is illegal to refuse service based on race and gender.
...but were very interested in what race I was. One refused to continue the vetting process until she was convinced that I wasn't a latina. I suspect that there was some kind of issue in her past. I decided not to see her after all since I wasn't getting a good vibe at all from her.
Still not sure what to make of that.
It surprised me honestly. For so long I thought it was just a "preference". I see black clients and I've personally never had any issues with them...They typically smell good, are respectful and are very sensual in the bedroom. My best regular is a black client and one of my most generous regulars is a black client. Perhaps it's the area I live in but there are plenty of white collar black professionals and I shake my head at the ladies who don't see them because they are missing out. Bad clients come in all races and screening will weed most of them out.
That being said I originally looked up the study because I've never dated a black guy before...For so long I thought of it as a "preference" but after reading that I wondered if I had some inherent racism going on due to bad experiences as a kid. Perhaps I should try to go on a date with a black guy and see what happens?
That being said...I personally wouldn't see you based on your reviews. I think someone further up (maybe GaG?) Had a good point about being on your best behavior when you are part of a marginalized demographic. The actions of a few affect the reputations of many and it's pretty obvious from your reviews you see us as less than human. As a black man you unfortunately probably have had some experience with people dehumanizing you so why would you turn around and do it to us?
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I am also a "minority" but I don't feel my actions reflect on my entire race, but OTOH I am not whining about racism when it's my own bad behavior that is causing problems both for myself and others of my race like the OP.
Most people have "preferences" where it comes to race, much of it is physical characteristics common to many races. Personally, I like spinners and it's a simple fact of life that there are a LOT of Asian spinners, so I have a built in bias if favor of Asians, that doesn't mean however that I am not equally attracted to black, white, brown, and red spinners. THAT would make me a racist if a girl who otherwise was EXACTLY my type, but solely because of her race, I would not be interested in seeing her.
People claim racism against black people is strictly an American phenomenon, but I call BULLSHIT, I have met a lot of Asian women who are FOB who vehemently refuse to see black guys, I have also been sitting at the bar talking with hundreds (actually thousands) of different chicas and when the subject of race comes up, I was amazed to learn how many of them would tell me straight up they don't see and don't like Black Guys. I was also very surprised to learn from a lot of the "Negritas" I met down there, mainly from Colombia and the DR that they were surprised I was interested in THEM as they tell me most Asian guys don't go for Black girls. Maybe it's an issue of "measuring up" but I don't care, More for me. lol
Lastly the OP is a POS, and he would still be a POS as a white man.
I was paraphrasing you I guess ..but I think we can both agree that it's best for a member of any oppressed and/or misunderstood group (including sex workers and their clients) to be on their best behavior.
Yes some physical characteristics are more commonly found in certain races...However I'm not so sure that would be my case. I typically gravitate toward tall, dark haired, dark eyed men with full lips so based on this you would think I would be highly attracted to black men more often than I am now. I've dated men of all other races and even had a thing for Asian men for a while (the tall ones anyways) so I'm not so sure why im not attracted to black men more often. After some introspection I can really only come up with the facts that I was bullied quite a bit when attending a mostly black school even though as an adult I realize that half the time I was getting hit on in a crude way and too innocent and naive to realize what was going on.
I will agree racism against blacks is not entirely an American phenomenon...I've witnessed it especially with people of middle eastern and Indian descent. I've seen enough agency "provider wanted" ads to know that black providers have a tougher time in this biz as a whole than any other race.
The OP is definitely scum...not because he's a black man but because he treats human beings as less than human beings. There's lots of nice guys out there of all races but providers who don't see black men will hold men like him up as an example to justify themselves.
Starting with your last point, just about everybody here already despised the OP long before we knew the color of his skin.
and I don't think any of us has any control over who we are attracted to. I do have a "type" but some of the best sex I have ever had and some of the most successful and long lasting relationships have been with women most definitely not my "type" We like what we like, it's as simple as that.
Except that as a white man I'd be a POS from the sunroof of my Bentley while puffing on a cigar, lol!
Most people have "preferences" where it comes to race, much of it is physical characteristics common to many races. Personally, I like spinners and it's a simple fact of life that there are a LOT of Asian spinners, so I have a built in bias if favor of Asians, that doesn't mean however that I am not equally attracted to black, white, brown, and red spinners. THAT would make me a racist if a girl who otherwise was EXACTLY my type, but solely because of her race, I would not be interested in seeing her.
People claim racism against black people is strictly an American phenomenon, but I call BULLSHIT, I have met a lot of Asian women who are FOB who vehemently refuse to see black guys, I have also been sitting at the bar talking with hundreds (actually thousands) of different chicas and when the subject of race comes up, I was amazed to learn how many of them would tell me straight up they don't see and don't like Black Guys. I was also very surprised to learn from a lot of the "Negritas" I met down there, mainly from Colombia and the DR that they were surprised I was interested in THEM as they tell me most Asian guys don't go for Black girls. Maybe it's an issue of "measuring up" but I don't care, More for me. lol
Lastly the OP is a POS, and he would still be a POS as a white man.
It could just be that they are racist. But then again, even black escorts are saying it as well, while there are others who are saying no black men under 35, which would suggest that they think the under 35s are immature and irresponsible as a whole. As a black man myself, I've had many encounters with providers of all different races who all seem to really enjoy my company, and for the most part, my experiences with them have been positive.
So what's the real deal here as to why many providers are deviating from seeing black clients? Are black thugs making it hard for decent black men who are just out here trying to get laid? Does this sort of thing only happen in America, or do foreign women feel the same way? And finally, this next one is specifically for the ladies; what would you like to see black men do differently to become more appealing to you?
Dicks are usually too big, they try to negotiate the rate, or immaturity.
It seems to me that either the provider is at least a little racist and doesn't care to screen someone thoroughly, or they're afraid of giant dicks.
See, I'm out in Cali, and some of the nicest men I know are black.
I've met probably 2 or 3 black men that I'd consider dysfunctional enough to warrant a provider avoiding them, but I've met proportionally more (that is proportional to the ethnic makeup of where I live) white and latino guys who I'd throw in that category as well.
To me, putting "no AA" in an ad could very well mean that they're not screening with references and provide to "keep the big scary black man away". Given that it seems like more BP ads have this no-aa notice than normal, classier ads, I think it's a safe correlation because backpage girls by and large screen less. Even if they aren't overtly racist, they have a bias against black men.
Outside of all that grossness, it could also be because the average black dick is too big for them. This sounds pretty valid on paper, but with adequate preparation I think this can be easily worked around. Things are far stretchier down there than you'd think.
All of that to say, providers can see whoever they'd like, but if they're discounting a whole race of people I'd highly recommend that they honestly ask themselves why they're doing so.
I started working as a sex surrogate. I've been a sensual massage therapist for 12 years. I have never had a bad black client. Screening, intuition and price point are contributing factors but I have had 3 TRO'S against clients, all regulars and all white guys. By the more violent logic, I would ban white guys (and subsequently go out of business).
If you screen correctly and don't provide QV race isn't the issue. Problems may arise if you have a regular client for years and treat them so well they think they are your boyfriend. Race isn't the issue. People are.
I do not see a lot of black men. I have about 5 that I used to see regularly. Out of the 5 I am only seeing one. Why? The other four decided to try to have me lower my rates. One wanted to give me $60 for oral sex on him and me, swallowing and anal. Yeah. The other asked if I could give him a special rate for two hours. The other two also did the how much would it be for this and that. I got tired of them and do not entertain their bargaining questions. If they think that I am not worth it don't fucking see me. Don't even fucking email me! No provider wants to hear well can you give me a discount or if I only want this how much less would it be, fuck that! They wanted lower rates but wanted me to provide all of the services that I normally would so I am only down to one black guy. Will it make me turn black guys in the future? Probably not but I would be wary.
My provider friend doesn't see black guys. One attacked her and stabbed her trying to cut her throat. I can certainly understand that. We see who we want. I see iso's for guys wanting only white girls or spanish or spinners. Am I to spout off about how he is prejudiced against fat black women that can equally suck him as good as the skinny bitch he wants? GTFOH!!! This question often comes up. I understand black guys feeling annoyed but if a woman is stating that she doesn't want to see his type, move the fuck on and get someone who will! There are plenty of them!
You are right it is your choice but at the same time.
Just stop with the bullshit that mainly black guys are violent or commit a crime against you!
So assholes and scumbags comes in all races and colors.
If any lady in this hobby had a no white guy policy.
They would not get a lot of work and everybody knows it.
It's a double standard and yes it's not worth worrying about close minded people.
Since we know some white men do the same things too.
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I've known a number of escorts in my time, and many of them very well. I knew an escort we'll call V, back in my Seattle days...
...V dated black men on a number of occasions personally, but when working she very plainly said on her ad, "No Black Men". She never seemed racist to me, so I asked her about it once. She told me that she'd been beaten up twice, raped once, and robbed/stiffed three times...all by different clients over five years, all of whom were black.
I haven't had many black clients. I have no problem with them, but they only represent probably 2% of my business. (Black men, I've found, do tend to be a bit more homophobic, it seems.) However, I've been robbed three times in my illustrious career, and all of them were by black clients.
So just consider that most of these girls that post such things may not be racist per se... but they may have had some really bad experiences which lead them to put up such a statement.
It also works the other way, too... I always have porn playing during my sessions - I'm a junkie, what can I say? - and I've had a hispanic client once refuse to continue until I "turned off the [nword] cock".
I gotta say, one of the things I love about what I do is the random insane people I meet. You really just can't take it all too seriously.
When you're traveling, and in town for a few days, it's very hard to do more than a cursory screening. TER doesn't let me name services on here usually, so I'll just say that I get most of my clients (95%) from one site that has no screening. Plus, in the tgirl world, there are very few references, because most clients don't admit to fucking the tgirl. But to be fair...the issue isn't really even screening. Everybody gets the same treatment - it's which ones that I misjudge that is the question.
There are a plethora of reasons why providers don't see blk men. Is it personal preference, bet your ass it is, if your personal preference is being racist as fuck. I just had a session with a wonderful provider and we had this discussion, her words "to me it's silly because I've been stiffed and haggled by more white clients than I have blk men." On one side of the coin you can't really blame someone for believing what has been taught to them by American societal standards, on the other side of the coin you can fault them for not being educated enough to do their own research. In a nutshell, bigotry will always exist, and if they don't want to see me because I am black then fuck em, I move on to the next. In all actuality I prefer to know upfront so as not to waste my time.
Truth is, some black women don't want to deal with the hassle and worry of black men because their are some that do not know how to act accordingly. Another reason is they are pimped and their pimp won't allow them to see bulk men. Goes the same for white, asian, latina providers as well. Some black providers who choose not to see guys of their own race have their own issues to navigate, so let them continue to serve a clientele base that will never accept them anyway. Then there is the whole misconception of black guys have big dicks, no hooker wants to be taken on Mandingo with a full days work ahead of them. Do some black men deter providers from seeing us as a whole? Yes. Do some white men do the same? Yes. Which demographic is more socially acceptable to exclude? Yep you guessed it, black men. Statistically there are far more white men who hobby than black men, so excluding whites would just be career suicide.
Chances are in this game a black client over 35 will be more mature than a younger black client. Is that true for all black clients? No. I have been hobbying for the better part of 17 years and haven't felt the urge to be disrespectful to any of the ladies I have seen. Bottom line is it comes down to upbringing and maturity. With TER and P411 a provider has the ability to do her research as well, many still choose not to, to each their own, again fuck em.
Does this happen in foreign countries? I'm sure it does. From my early experiences I haven't seen it much, but then again that was dealing with brothels. Haven't seen much resistance when I visit TJ. To wrap things up, it is what it is, you can only control what you can control. See those who are willing to see you and exclude those that display discriminatory policies. You can always inquire and see if the lady will make an exception, I have several times and it's about 50/50 if the lady is educated, open minded, and your profiles/references check out.
To those who want to continually bring up that blacks are thugs, hoodlums, hagglers, etc., you can tell that they are not educated and are going by hearsay. For one your basing opinions off of stereotypes, and those stereotypes are compared to unweighted statistics. My ATF loves black men, so I'm happy. For the providers that do not observe this foolish policy, thank you, and you are appreciated.
I have noticed that many classified ads have disclaimers stating that they don't service black men. It has been said that it's just a matter of personal preference, but I'm not buying that excuse because wouldn't other races of men also be excluded if that were the case? But in this case, the exclusion applies almost entirely to black men.
It could just be that they are racist. But then again, even black escorts are saying it as well, while there are others who are saying no black men under 35, which would suggest that they think the under 35s are immature and irresponsible as a whole. As a black man myself, I've had many encounters with providers of all different races who all seem to really enjoy my company, and for the most part, my experiences with them have been positive.
So what's the real deal here as to why many providers are deviating from seeing black clients? Are black thugs making it hard for decent black men who are just out here trying to get laid? Does this sort of thing only happen in America, or do foreign women feel the same way? And finally, this next one is specifically for the ladies; what would you like to see black men do differently to become more appealing to you?
that one of her clients loved to watch women have sex with all types of animals. Dogs, horses, goats, etc but one time she put in a black man with a white woman and the client jumped up and shouted "turn off this shit"!!! lol. Yeah just when you thought you have heard everything......
Who cares move on! It is her body not yours it is her right to do with it what she chooses and
with whom capiche! How would you like others telling you who you should share your body with ?
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Everyone has their preferences and just because someone does not want to fuck black men for money does not mean they are racist.
I personally do not fuck black women and will not pay to see one but I have no animosity towards black people nor am I racist.
I'm a brother also and over the years, I've had a few lady friends say they've been robbed and it's always a young Black guy doing the robbing. I know quite a few black escorts that will not see young black guys and I don't blame them. Older black guys are no more violent than any other group but when it comes to the young boys the percentages dramatically increases for both to happen.
And yes, they've messed it up for the decent black guys in the hobby. Some escorts won't see black guys period but many are beginning to understand that it's just the young boys robbing people so they're listing age restrictions for black guys so they can help protect themselves and also won't miss out servicing a decent slice of the market.
If I was an escort I'd have a age requirement for all and I'd also do my best to somehow see the monger before I'd be alone with them. I've also been told by a couple escorts that some black pimps don't want their white girls to see black guys because they are afraid of the girl not seeing them (the pimp) as someone special anymore.
I have come to know a few ladies over the years that said no black guys by texting them, letting them know my age (50+) and asking if I can call them. If they say yes I call. If they say no I don't. 8 out of ten I approach say yes.
There are still lots of lovely ladies that will see black guys and lots of fun to be had so it's not a big concern for me.
I have noticed that many classified ads have disclaimers stating that they don't service black men. It has been said that it's just a matter of personal preference, but I'm not buying that excuse because wouldn't other races of men also be excluded if that were the case? But in this case, the exclusion applies almost entirely to black men.
It could just be that they are racist. But then again, even black escorts are saying it as well, while there are others who are saying no black men under 35, which would suggest that they think the under 35s are immature and irresponsible as a whole. As a black man myself, I've had many encounters with providers of all different races who all seem to really enjoy my company, and for the most part, my experiences with them have been positive.
So what's the real deal here as to why many providers are deviating from seeing black clients? Are black thugs making it hard for decent black men who are just out here trying to get laid? Does this sort of thing only happen in America, or do foreign women feel the same way? And finally, this next one is specifically for the ladies; what would you like to see black men do differently to become more appealing to you?
Providers can refuse service to anyone they choose and do not need excuses to do so.
They do have a choice in who they choose to share their body with and they don't owe anyone
an explanation for doing so. Nobody tells you who you can share your ass with do they ?
Yet you clowns call them racist and think she has no right to choose who she shares her body with.
Instead of whining about she won't see you because your black and she is racist MOVE ON!!!
You will find someone who will see you. Everyone gets turned down here at some point.
...and her answer was that black guys are nothing but trouble. And she was a mix of black and Asian. She said something along the lines of "not to sound racist, but..." and you know the drill.
Also I love how some people hide behind, she was black too.
It's a stereotypical attitude about a small number of assholes.
This does not represent the majority of black men.
Just like all white men are not serial killers.
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It sad to say but the hard fact is that STD rate among African Americans are far higher than for whites.
https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats15/minorities.htm
http://www.bet.com/news/health/2014/01/10/study-stds-up-among-young-african-americans.html
Chalmydia 8x higher
Gonorrhea 9.6x to 16x higher
Syphilis 7.6x higher
The list goes on and on
For AIDS it is just as bad.
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/
Note on the graph that Black Hetero sexual men reported 1,926 new cases of AIDS in 2015. The graph does no even list White Hetero men because the statistic is so small it is meaningless (White Hetero Sexual american men are basically not getting AIDS).
The reason for the discrepancy is not know. It may have to do with poorer health coverage or a culture of not wanting to admit to infection (and thereby spreading it). But the bottom line is, a girl is taking a greater risk and she needs to be extra careful that all safety precautions are followed.
Just to answer your question on discrepancy in poorer health coverage.
The answer for many people is yes and not just with black people!
I am thankful for my private health coverage too.
Since a lot of people are not as fortunate.
So I guess a woman never got a std from a white man?
I been in this hobby for a long time and never had a std in my life.
Also I bet more black men or other men of color can say the same thing on here.
You are the type of white male clients.
I heard about warning providers not to see black men or it will hurt their business.
Well you know what they say about people who assume.
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It's a moot point when you consider that most if not all providers uses a condom when dealing with their clients anyway. You're gonna have to come better than that!
It sad to say but the hard fact is that STD rate among African Americans are far higher than for whites.
https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats15/minorities.htm
http://www.bet.com/news/health/2014/01/10/study-stds-up-among-young-african-americans.html
Chalmydia 8x higher
Gonorrhea 9.6x to 16x higher
Syphilis 7.6x higher
The list goes on and on
For AIDS it is just as bad.
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/
Note on the graph that Black Hetero sexual men reported 1,926 new cases of AIDS in 2015. The graph does no even list White Hetero men because the statistic is so small it is meaningless (White Hetero Sexual american men are basically not getting AIDS).
The reason for the discrepancy is not know. It may have to do with poorer health coverage or a culture of not wanting to admit to infection (and thereby spreading it). But the bottom line is, a girl is taking a greater risk and she needs to be extra careful that all safety precautions are followed.
A condom will not protect you from infection 100% of the time.
I am glad that this question is only showing up ever blue moon these days on ter. There are many reasons why providers, no matter the race, don't see black guys and if you are a black male then you just need to search out providers who do. There is no need to over think this and worry about providers who don't see black men. The reality is that there will always be providers who don't see black men and also there will be always be providers who will see black men. Have fun, enjoy yourself, and don't worry about those providers who will not see you because of your race. Even though race is a human made concept, I don't hide the fact that I am black male when contacting a provider. To be honest I think there are more providers out there that would not see because of my particular fetish that I am into, rather than me being a black male.
It's commendable that you don't let it bother you, but I still feel screening out black men is either racist or lazy. There are plenty of ways to screen for safe clients which don't involve racism
Seriously??? You really don't know? Having been doing this hobby for near 20 years and befriended numerous black (and white) women the answer is simple: too many (mostly young) black men are rude, thieves, thugs or pimps. It's dangerous. End of story. It has nothing to do with unfounded racist. As pointed out, many black escorts won't see black men and dam careful if they do. A shame of course as bad reflection on the perfectly fine black guy. I think most would be fine with older black guys but then they'd have to get guy to prove his age, and that's tough to do.
I once saw a provider who had that stipulation. No black men under 35. She told me it was because they were in general a little "bigger" than the other guys and the young ones had more stamina and recovered faster. With a one hour appointment, 59 minutes was hard fucking with a big cock and she was in pain.
Exactly!!!!
I don't like big cocks. They hurt.
We're not the only ones with big cocks, but yet I don't see you screening out the other races of men who also have big cocks. One petite provider who must have stood no taller than 5.2" once told me that she actually prefers black men because we're neither too big, nor too small, we're just the right size for her comfort. Nice try, but keep trying!
I have met two women who have had no black men and neither were racist It didn't say so on their site, but they had told me they don't). In fact, as a man of ethnicity I was a bit hesitant.
But the fact is that one woman said it was because they were usually more well endowed. She admitted that she had two regulars who were black, but not too large. She did also say they were bth more mature men and that although they were still somewhat large, they were gentle lovers.
The other woman was also petite. In fact she said she also preferred thinner men because her back was starting to hurt from being laid on by larger men.
Interestingly enough i met a woman who said she preferred black men. Guess she knew how to corner the market.
I just think that too many ladies have heard that black men give you too much trouble in whatever way they don't like. So rather than risk seeing for themselves, they do away with seeing black men entirely.
I personally have no issues with any race. As long as you have good hygiene and are a gentleman, we will get along fine.
I've been on and off TER for many years and I swear this comes up every 6 weeks.
Look, this is the most intimate physical thing a woman will do short of child birth. As far as I'm concerned she can employ any and every bias, judgment and/or criterion she chooses in engaging in that activity. This is not health insurance, house buying or employment where I have a legal right to equal treatment. This is sex (or not) with another human who has agency and the right of self determination; if I won't accept anyone telling me who I should have sex with then neither do I expect a lady to have to. I choose not to f*ck the lame, the halt and the infirm; the moment someone tells me I have to is the moment I move to my monastic mountain retreat (as long as I can bring my Bob Marley, Dexter Gordon and Elvis Costello downloads).
Having said that if a lady does choose to limit her options in this way I neither care what is the basis nor do I need her to defend it. Whether she is racist, ill informed, had a bad experience, or simply doesn't get hot for dark skin, it makes no difference to me; bottom line is she doesn't want to see me. Ergo I do not want to see her. On to any one (preferably 2) of the hundreds of other hotties willing to take my money for an hour of wish fulfillment.
I've seen that a lot here and there sporadic and then there's a lot that don't mind at all that would prefer that I find that oriental women love black man but don't want oriental man doesn't make them races just obviously they don't have a desire for that please some in like that they even think that in their desire . I wouldn't let it turn you on I would just find one that desires a black man if that's what you're looking for is comfortability that's what you want anyway Lotta girls love some don't pretty simple .
But glancing though, and what I was told, for some reason the stigma that all black guys are hung is just that. Some that I know admit it.
For some reason people think all black guys have huge dicks. It's simply not true.
As a matter of fact, I know of an old, Jewish (white)guy on these boards I refer to 'tripod' on occasion...
The thing is, and what disturbs me, is racism is still alive and well.
I'm half Hispanic, look white, and have fucked white, black, brown, and yellow looking women.
The thing is. It's all pink inside and as long as you had fun, WTF difference is her skin color?
Normally I'd say if they fit in my 'butt meter' it's all good. But I've had some outstanding sex with ladies that exceeded the butt meter, lol!
My point is, people have the right to see who they want to see. It all depends on the donation, their attitude, and the comfort of the situation.
The lady has the right to turn down a date if she doesn't feel comfortable for whatever reason.
Fucking simple....
Not two days ago i was having exactly this convo with two girls i had a doubles session with. One of their ads said "NBA" and i didnt know what that meant, but i saw it a lot in ads. She told me it means she doesn't see black guys. The other girl didn't know that that girl was NBA and it kicked off a really interesting debate between the two of them.
The NBA girl said a lot of the same things I read here, but the other girl said two things that really put the debate to rest in my mind.
First, she said "you mean to tell me that guys pay you to shit on them, to pee on them, no problem. 500 pounds, 85 years old, no arms and no teeth, cool. But Denzel Washington shows up and that's where you draw the line?"
Then she said "I'm a great mom. Everybody knows it. But if the world ever found out what I do, they would take my kids away. They won't care about how good I am with my kids or how much they love me. They see a sex worker and they just assume the worst. The same stuff you're saying about black guys people say about us. If it's not fair for them to label me, it's not fair for me to label anybody else"
Powerful stuff.