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Actually, I didn't only blame "obstructionist Republicans" for Obamacare taking longer,
JakeFromStateFarm 134 reads
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and I didn't blame them for it taking more than 100 days because Obama never promised it would.  It was far more important to get the economy out of free fall and, with the help of the Fed, Obama did that.  Not to mention saving the auto industry.
As for who I blamed for fucking up ObamaCare, if you'll actually read back, I blamed conservative Democrats like Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell.  If he and a few other right-of-center Democrats hadn't fucked things up we'd now have single-payer health care like the rest of the world.

Mr.M.Johnson1313 reads

Ilegitimate POTUS realizes that he's done absolutely NOTHING so he's gotta blame someone! - "It's the fucking media's fault!"  His ban was banned, RyanCare was banned, no fucking wall, two meaningless useless counter-productive pinprick bombings, and of course no legislation passed - none.  

Looks like he's so determined to get RyanCare passed so that he can claim "some success" that he's ignoring the elephant in the room:  next Friday (4/28) the gov't shuts down unless debt ceiling is increased.  Looks like he's gonna try and bundle in $billions for his fucking wall in return for agreeing to raise ceiling.  This ain't gonna fucking happen per Schumer!

Should be interesting next week: RyanCare has no chance of passing, and, we'll see how Illegitimate POTUS - the Great Negotiator - handles the debt ceiling.

Probably worse than all of the above, is Trump's total lack of intellectual curiosity of foreign affairs - he knows nothing and ain't even trying to learn anything.  Scary, fucking scary

If you subtract out Trump's golfing and his constant campaigning, he has little time for actually governing.  He's been running for reelection in 2020 from the time he won in Nov.2016

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-media-will-kill-success-of-first-100-days/ar-BBA6Swk

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/10/jindal-trump-a-narcissist-egomaniac-lacks-intellectual-curiosity/

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JakeFromStateFarm117 reads

That was a big win for him and a loss for us.  No hiding it.  As for a healthcare deal, that's still a real long shot.  Keep in mind even if he gives the Freedom Caucus what they want it may still not pass the House.  Even if it does, Senate Republicans may change it so it's unacceptable to the far right in the House, which will have to pass it again.
Trump needs to take a course called "How a bill becomes a law, 101."

I conceded long ago, well before the election even, that ACA wasn't gong to go away "that easily"

It's just like that horrid Iran deal. It's much easier for one POTUS to fuck things up than it is for the next one to fix it after the damage has been done.

When Obama had super majority you Dems blamed the "obstructionist Republicans" for Obama taking a hell of a lot longer than 100 days to pass Obamacare in the first place. Can you blame the GOP for blaming the Dems for now being the obstructionists.

Lastly, I am kind of glad the Dems did block RyanCare, it was a crappy bill and really didn't fix anything except for removing the mandate that I hate, I'd rather live with the mandate a little bit longer and end up with something that goes a lot further into fixing the disaster which is ObamaCare.

JakeFromStateFarm135 reads

and I didn't blame them for it taking more than 100 days because Obama never promised it would.  It was far more important to get the economy out of free fall and, with the help of the Fed, Obama did that.  Not to mention saving the auto industry.
As for who I blamed for fucking up ObamaCare, if you'll actually read back, I blamed conservative Democrats like Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell.  If he and a few other right-of-center Democrats hadn't fucked things up we'd now have single-payer health care like the rest of the world.

GaGambler162 reads

YOU might want to emulate Europe, but don't pretend to speak for the rest of us.  

Europe is a fucking mess, look at the election about to happen in France where a blatant communist is expected to get about 20% of the vote, and a female version of Donald Trump is expected to get the most votes come Sunday. I would literally LMFAO if Le Pen were to win, and at roughly 3-1 the bookies aren't counting her out after getting killed on Trump. It's pretty much a given that she will be in the final two come June, but wouldn't it be a riot if the French versions of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were to face each other in June?

JakeFromStateFarm160 reads

And please note, you're the one who mentioned Europe.  I didn't.  And if Europe is a "fucking mess" it's not because of single payer health care.  Please stop debating like someone in High School.  You make it too easy.  Sophomore.

Posted By: JakeFromStateFarm
If he and a few other right-of-center Democrats hadn't fucked things up we'd now have single-payer health care like the rest of the world.
Where do you get the idea that the rest of the world or even Europe has single payer? For example, The Netherlands which is frequently rated as the most successful and popular in Europe heavily relies on private insurance companies. The Netherland's system is not much different from the ACA & Medicaid with two major differences, 1) they have a very homogeneous population (e.g. the mandate on young people is accepted and enforced) and 2) the premiums paid by individuals are based on their income (similar to how a progressive tax would distribute payments except retain personal choices for choosing plans. There are others as well. Certainly some European countries are much closer to true single payer (and single provider) such as Great Britain but even they have a two tiered system with better choices available for those that can afford it.

"It's much easier for one POTUS to fuck things up than it is for the next one to fix it after the damage has been done."

It's interesting you didn't seem that understanding when it came to what Bush left for Obama!  ;)

O'bama cried every single fucking day about what he inherited. Just like you do every fucking day here. Repeatedly.

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Mr.M.Johnson145 reads

1- Illegitimate POTUS ain't never gonna get a healthcare bill passed anywhere near similar to RyanCare!  Too many Congressmen are up for reelection and Trump's voters were "sold" on "everyone keeps their insurance." Personally, PERSONALLY, I hope fucking Repubs DO drop millions from HealthCare, it'll make 2018 elections a landslide for Dems!

Ask that liberal communist George Will:

 http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/watch-george-will-predicts-obamacare-to-become-single-payer-because-of-this-inconvenient-fact/

Related is the comic-relief of 4 Repub parties!  Far right wing, mainstream and moderates, and, of course, Trump.  No fucking way these 4 can agree on ANYTHING, on fucking ANYTHING!

Let's also remember that the fucking Repubs had three times the previous record of filibusters in Obama's first 2 years.

Ya know, I gotta say, this whole insurance issue is a fucking sham!  Trump promises "everyone keeps their insurance" and he immediately does a 180 and backs RyanCare which causes 20 million to lose insurance.  The sham, is that the Repubs could easily keep that promise, but instead they don't wanna keep it as they want tax cuts for high-earners instead of maintaining the these taxes.  Trump has said he wants to do TrumpCare before tax cuts because "I need to see what tax cuts I can get outta TrumpCare.  The real issue for fucking Repubs is taxes, NOT healthcare! Sham!!

2-  Tillerson says "Iran's sticking to Nuclear Deal," while also saying he "wants comprehensive review."  He can review FOREVER, but, unless/until Iran breaks the rules of the deal, we remain in the fortunate position of Iran not having hardly any nukes AND we get to inspect - terrible fucking deal?!  NOT!

...bragging throughout the campaign about all the things he was going to accomplish in his first 100 days.  He kept using the 100 day standard but when he didn't accomplish anything, he dismissed the 100 day standard itself.  

Trumptards will never stop fellating the leader of the Republican Party, no matter how much he lies.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/donald-trump-100-days-ridiculous-standard/

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Mr.M.Johnson146 reads

1- we'll see our Illegitimate POTUS....aka the Great Negotiator and author of the Art of the Deal "negotiate" the debt ceiling.  My bet is that Dems will side w/Mexico and say "we're not paying for your fucking wall"

2- we'll see that Trump/RyanCare fails again

I know that you're just-now realizing Donald that "being POTUS is a whole lot fucking harder than you EVER imagined."  Especially when you're 100% politically inexperienced - as are all of your so-called 'advisors - and AND you have zero interest in learning ANYTHING.  How many Big-Macs today Donald, and how many hours on the golf course? - just curious

I'm sincerely SINCERELY hoping that Trump will resign soon - impeachment and removal will take too fucking long..

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