Guys DO care between the difference between a Red Rood Inn or Motel 6 and a Hilton or Holiday Inn. While I do not use the Hilton in town, I do when I travel... in town, there are very low-end(Red Roof, Motel 6, etc), some mid-grade(Holiday Inn, Sleep Inn, etc) & then high-grade(Hilton, Marriott, etc). I prefer the mid-grade in town & those all start around $90+.
When you stay at cheap hotels, you run into problems. Most guys do not want to go and meet a lady at a hotel with doors that open to the parking lot, a high LE presence, nosy front desk, & many times bed beds.. to name a few.
When it comes to your profit margin, yea, you will be inclined to be not so picky.
Besides that, you're only going to be there for a few hours maximum? Why pay a premium price for a few hour stay? There's no logic in that.
Us hobbyists only care if the hotel is in a safe area, not in the middle of a ghetto. Once we are in the room, our focus is on the lady, not if the hotel offers ironing boards, pillow mints and other trivial items that drive up the cost of the room.
Serpius
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Over the past few months clients requesting incalls has really increased for me. The majority of the time my clients want incall. I have had incall and outcall at the same price, but am now thinking about upping the price for incall. (Of course I would keep charging my original price for my regulars who have already been recieving that price) I am a low volume provider and never see more than one guy in a day. Each time I get a room at a half way decent hotel, it costs me $90-$120 and I'm only using the room for the one guy. Is it normal to charge extra for incall dates? If yes, what would be an acceptable price difference?
Statistically, Faye, far and away, most if not nearly all providers charge an amount higher for outcall to account for their time and gas milage to come to the client's location. They charge less for incall because they don't have to take the time or cover the cost to travel to the client's location, and on some threads some providers have voiced concern over going to an outcall location if it's the client's home until they know the client as have some clients until they know the provider. When a client goes to your incall, as you know, they have to travel X distance to it, and they have to find it. Sometimes it's a little more difficult to find the incall location than others according to a lot of reviews I've read. Have you checked out any of several thousand provider ads in this area to see the price differential for incall and outcall?
A number of other providers who are successful and well reviewed indies say they modulate the volume, or that they are "low volume", so you would have to talk to them as to their profit/time ratio, and how they handle the cost of incall. It might be feasible for you to share the incall cost with another provider if you can work out logistics so that you don't make yourself or clients uncomfortable.
Before someone says what is axiomatic, of course any provider running a business has a right to charge what they want, and set the business milieu up the way they want, to paraphrase countless providers, but this is a market place. I doubt that your proposal is going to be adopted by many providers. A number of providers have posted tips over the last few recent weeks, months and years as to how you can minimize your hotel costs, and which hotel booking agencies to use, and if you ask them for help as to the best way for you to minimize your costs and hassles in that regard, I feel sure they will offer suggestions.
I saw a provider recently who was very nice. I researched her ads over the years and her price point. When I got there, she quoted me a higher price than her current ad is running, and her current TER profile is running. I showed her the website that was online at the time.
I think it is the provider's duty to check and make sure that her TER profile is accurate, and the client reviewer's duty if he is going to do a review, to make sure he doesn't leave any "don't knows" on commonly sought services that are on every client and provider's mind during an encounter. That's a separate topic. I understand TER is considering some changes to make the profiles more accurate. They can be corrected now by clicking on "Report a problem" in the profile, including your provider name or client alias and TER #, or by emailing TER support. There are differences sometimes between profile donation amounts and websites or ads, if a website exists. Most providers would say to defer to the website, but as some providers have said, the provider has IMHO a duty to take a minute to insure her profile is accurate as to donation and the services she performs.
There was recently a thread either on the newbie board or the regular ATL board where clients agreed with me as to profile accuracy, and not to long ago there was a thread on the ATL board where several well reviewed providers and frequent provider contributors said that they considered it their job to check their profile and make it accurate.
Mismatches between TER Profiles and Reviews, and pandemic "I don't knows" in major service areas that clients always look for are all too frequent, and they shouldn't be.
I just read ***your profile.*** Under your services there several frequently sought service categories that are mentioned in nearly every TER review available for VIP members to read that say "don't know." Your two reviews were very positive, and for whatever reason the two reviewers didn't answer the "don't know" questions in several frequent service categories there, although one of them is inferred by the reviews. But ***you do know if you offer those services, and your clients know if they receive these services, so I respectfully suggest you contact TER to provide accurate answers to those services***. Those services are always on the majority of clients' minds, and they are mentioned in over 85% of the reviews I've read on TER, and I've read a lot of them. They are too often not answered in the profile. Most clients know if they get those services, and most clients try to get those services from the reviews I've read.
While it is true that sometimes a provider may offer a service to a client that she doesn't offer to another based on the chemistry between two people in the room, clients who research and read reviews have every right to have the "don't knows" removed from these profiles as to services, particularly when there are a number of reviews on the provider and they all say explicitly that she performs the service. This can be remedied by the client taking time not to leave a "don't know" by a particular service listing he has said in his review was performed, and the provider insuring that her profile answers the question with either a yes or a no rather than don't know. I'm not talking about services less frequently tried like multiple providers in the same session (two girl action, more than one guy at a time).
There are "don't knows" in your profile as to "multiple pops allowed", "cum in mouth", "lick pussy," and "rimming." TER sees them as criteria appropriate to list, and you haven't asked to have your reviews removed from TER, so you should answer those questions on your profile by contacting TER and updating your profile instead of leaving them as "don't knows" and a guessing game.
The provider knows if she is willing to consistently perform the service, and when asked in the room if she will, I'm willing to bet her reply isn't "I don't know." Some ads are explicit as to extra cost for certain services, and many are vague but the client should have an accurate idea of which services to expect when he pays for an encounter. It should not be a blind "crap shoot/guessing game.
Most providers won't/don't want to explicitly discuss details of services provided on the phone, and they say so empahtically on their websites or ads. Joining TER as a VIP to read the "juicy details" when there are enough consistent reviews so they aren't faked, fictitious, or written by the provider or someone at her direction enables research to be done that most experienced providers and clients recommend you do. Clients rely heavily on TER reviews, and they look at the profiles, and there is a recent review right now in the ATL area where the disappointing experience from a chronic rip-off artist who changes name, location, and phone number and always uses fake pictures would not have happend at all had the reviewer read 4/5 reviews and her profile that I took pains to make accurate. She is attractive, so she gets the money and then makes every client feel terrible when her obnoxious friend insists on being present in the room. The obvious response would be to run away immediately with your money in your pocket. If the profiles aren't accurate, what's their purpose for existence?
I wish you the best of luck in working out a satisfactory incall solution, and hope that you are very successful and continue to enjoy being a provider.
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Hello Faye,
Typically, I have seen Incall rates to be either the same as or lower than Outcall rates.
The rationale for Outcall rates to be higher is due to the traveling time and driving expenses that goes with it.
There are ways to get much lower prices on decent hotels. PM me for details.
Serpius
No, it is not normal to charge more for in call. It is normal to charge more for out call. The others have given the reasons for the higher out call donation. I have never seen a provider's web site, ad, or profile show a higher price for in call. Possibly somewhere someone does but to this point I've not seen it.
I'm curious as to why you think getting more inquiries about in call lately would make you consider raising the donation for it? Are you trying to discourage it?
If I were to see that a provider was requiring a higher donation for in call I would think that very unusual and pass right on to the next provider.
I checked your profile, and if the main city on your profile is correct, you should be able to book rooms using priceline, hotels.com or other discount sites.
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That doesn't work too often. If there are only a handful of hotels that a lady is comfortable hosting incalls at, then booking directly through the hotels site is the best bet. Yes, you pay more, but you are guaranteed a room at your hotel of choice. With the priceline, hotels.com, etc, you can never choose which hotel they will put you at. Even choosing 3 stars and up, you would be surprised what some hotels are considered to be 3 stars once you start using those sites, lol.
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Hello NahtyNikkey,
When it comes to your profit margin, yea, you will be inclined to be not so picky.
Besides that, you're only going to be there for a few hours maximum? Why pay a premium price for a few hour stay? There's no logic in that.
Us hobbyists only care if the hotel is in a safe area, not in the middle of a ghetto. Once we are in the room, our focus is on the lady, not if the hotel offers ironing boards, pillow mints and other trivial items that drive up the cost of the room.
Serpius
-- Modified on 5/25/2012 4:40:09 AM
Guys DO care between the difference between a Red Rood Inn or Motel 6 and a Hilton or Holiday Inn. While I do not use the Hilton in town, I do when I travel... in town, there are very low-end(Red Roof, Motel 6, etc), some mid-grade(Holiday Inn, Sleep Inn, etc) & then high-grade(Hilton, Marriott, etc). I prefer the mid-grade in town & those all start around $90+.
When you stay at cheap hotels, you run into problems. Most guys do not want to go and meet a lady at a hotel with doors that open to the parking lot, a high LE presence, nosy front desk, & many times bed beds.. to name a few.
When it comes to your profit margin, yea, you will be inclined to be not so picky.
Besides that, you're only going to be there for a few hours maximum? Why pay a premium price for a few hour stay? There's no logic in that.
Us hobbyists only care if the hotel is in a safe area, not in the middle of a ghetto. Once we are in the room, our focus is on the lady, not if the hotel offers ironing boards, pillow mints and other trivial items that drive up the cost of the room.
Serpius
-- Modified on 5/25/2012 4:40:09 AM
It isn't something we usually put on our website, this is a discussion we have with our gentlemen letting them know because we only see one person a day that we would have to be reimbursed for the hotel room if we are getting one.
There are alot of ladies that are low volume. You would probably be surprised at how prevalent a gentlemen paying us for the room is these days.
...replying to me or to the OP?
Also, when you say it's not something we usually put on our web site do you mean "we" as in low volume providers or providers in general?
I see provider web sites all the time with in call and out call donation amounts and the in call is less. I would have no clue whether the provider is low volume or high volume. Haven't seen it the other way, yet.
We as in "low volume". It is true most gentlemen don't know if a lady is high or low volume. The clue usually is the number of gentlemen she sees per day.
There are many things we don't put in our donation amounts. It basically comes down to also the level of provider you are seeing.
...reply in regard to who "We" referred to.
The rest of what you said here is fairly obvious. Thanks.
-- Modified on 5/25/2012 7:49:05 AM
When a guy requests incall tell him you are not currently set up for incall but if he wants to meet you at a hotel, you will be happy to get the room in your name if he wants to reimburse you the cost of the room.
If he agrees to that - you aren't out anything, the guy paid for the room and your fee.
I am low volume myself, when I hold an incall I wont see more than 3 in a day and they are usually spaced out with a couple of hours between each one.
I usually charge $50 additional for outcall if they are more than 10 miles away from my location, plus when I outcall I only see one person.
If I am only seeing the one guy, which is how I work anyways, then he will be paying for the room. It has always been my policy and my gentlemen never have an issue with that, they in fact feel like that is how it should be done. I would tell them what the room costs and that will be added to their donation if you are getting the room.
You're going to hear guys tell you no, you shouldn't charge more....ignore that...this is your livelihood, your income, there is no reason you should be losing money in the process.
Because you are low volume & are basically only getting the room for one client per day, then you can charge more for incall. I personally also charge more for incall, as I am in the same boat, & only see one person a day. A room costs me between $100-$130 per day, and at my regular rates, I was only making $100 profit. I upped my incall rate by $50, not much, but it helps cover the cost of the cost of the room, & I still make a profit.
A lot of ladies charge more for outcall, but it depends on the city. Personally, my city is small compared to other larger cities, & I can get anywhere within the city in 30 min or less, so my outcall rate is actually cheaper than my incall rate. When I have to leave the city, then I do charge a travel fee.
I would say the majority of providers charge the same for both or slightly more (50 dollars) for outcall, but I've seen incall listed as higher many, many times as well.
You bring up one reason with volume and the hotel price, and I'll list another the guys seem to be missing. I see the guys bring up gas and wear and tear on the car as being the reason outcall is higher, but I doubt most of the ladies here on TER are hosting from their home. Therefore, they will still have gas and wear and tear costs. It's not like every provider lives next door or around the corner from a nice hotel. I know of 2 ladies, here in my city, who have apartments a good 30 min drive with traffic from where they live that they use for incall.
It's ridiculous to assume anything from a lady's rates in this business. Between hotel costs or rent for a apartment/condo, gas, and vehicle maintenance, I'm surprised incall isn't normally higher than outcall ... unless the lady is making an hour drive, seeing alot of clients at her incall location that day, or hosting from home.
I see many posters here saying that outcall is always higher, but I have seen providers advertise the same price for incalls and outcalls, higher prices for outcalls, and higher prices for incalls. Some advertise 'incall only.' Some advertise 'outcall only.' Everyone is different and has their own reasons. I figure it all makes sense. When the ladies charge higher for incalls it is to cover the cost of the room. When they charge more for outcalls it is for travel expenses, but I also figure for some, it might be a comfort thing. They are more comfortable at their incall, and might charge more just for the unknown. I also agree with you on the fact that even incall will usually entail travel costs.
To the OP, no it is not unheard of to charge more for incall. One option is to advertise 'outcall only,'
then just arrange with the guys who want incall that they pay for the room (as Kendra mentioned)
Or you might advertise, 'incall can be arranged for an added fee.'
If you only see one guy it makes more sense to just keep doing out call. If you are getting calls from guys who want in call for some reason just tell them that they have to reimburse you for the room.
Another option would be to offer in call only on multiple hour appointments. That would help defray the cost of the room.
Faye--
As was mentioned, some of the websites/smart phone apps (Droid, iPhone, WinPhone7) for booking are used by some providers to get better deals consistently. You can search threads on TER boards for this. Just putting "hotel booking apps" in google brings up a number of them like
Kayak Mobile, Kayak Pro, Travelocity, Priceline, HotelTonite, HotelDash, Booking.com, Travelocity.
I imagine your choices in Salt Lake are smaller than in a big city, from the last time I was there.
If you are going to be low volume per day, then it seems you might share a room with another provider, but that will require a little more scrambling to be able to accept appointments on the fly on shorter notice.
Jeffeng16