but I am also pretty sure that he meant AMP's, The more stupid people among us still cling to the belief promulgated by the MSM that the AMP girls are all being trafficked and are somehow being held against their will.
Jake is "supposed to be" smart enough to know this stereotype is NOT true, but sometimes Jake just blurts out stupid shit when he has nothing to add to the conversation.Visiting NYC in 2 weeks , being totally new have a few questions
I tried to connect with a top 100 provider but no luck. I am looking for advice on the safest way to get setup for a few encounters while in NYC.
I don't have 411 but may consider it if I can get them on the phone (email and web make me nervous) has 411 ever leaked info or anything ? I know they say they don't store info but pretty much anything on the net is searchable these days
I see conflicting info on the net ... some info is don't ever give personal info it will come back to haunt you use an alias. Others say in order to get anywhere you will have to share that info and risk it...
Lastly how common are LE stings or busts in NY? How real is that risk? If something were to happen is it something that I would be out in a few hrs?
Getting P411 verified is a good start and will make things much easier in the long run, but lots of ladies have there own way of verifying you also, either way you will have to give out your personal info, P411 requires lots of personal real info to verify who you are. Don't believe all the leaked BS on the net.
Don't worry about stings, there in every state, stay with well verified ladies who have both lots of reviews from long time members and are also P411 verified themselves and you'll be fine.
Read the Self help Center at the top of the page it answers lots of noob questions and you can also search these forums.
Visiting NYC in 2 weeks , being totally new have a few questions
I tried to connect with a top 100 provider but no luck. I am looking for advice on the safest way to get setup for a few encounters while in NYC.
I don't have 411 but may consider it if I can get them on the phone (email and web make me nervous) has 411 ever leaked info or anything ? I know they say they don't store info but pretty much anything on the net is searchable these days
I see conflicting info on the net ... some info is don't ever give personal info it will come back to haunt you use an alias. Others say in order to get anywhere you will have to share that info and risk it...
Lastly how common are LE stings or busts in NY? How real is that risk? If something were to happen is it something that I would be out in a few hrs?
be looking for a newbie friendly provider.
I too would recommend you join P411. P411 providers are verified by the site as well as will also show if they are newbie friendly.
Good luck.
+1 on the newbie friendly suggestion. If you don't have an established track record why should one of the top providers want to go out of their way to see you? If that bothers you keep in mind the top 100 isn't really an guarantee you're getting better server than you get from one not on the list. Research and some experience will ensure you find good matches -- and you don't have experience yet so don't set your expectations too high going in; you still need to learn.
The newbie friendly providers will help your learning curve.
Thanks good perspective.. part of my issue is I dont want to tie my personal info to an email address or website that when googled would expose me.
I am going to keep Looking for someone who will work with my somewhat overly parionid fear about leaving digital tracks. All I want is to send my info to an recipient that is a layer or two removed ... going to keep working on it
Yes, you can talk to them by phone. Also, they are based in Canada, which is an extra margin of safety. They claim to not retain any of the personal info you give them to join. Who knows if that's true for sure but I have never heard of a case in which any personal info of a client was leaked.
As for LE stings in NY, the only ones I've heard of are at Asian fast-houses where the bottom feeders go for trafficked women. Stay with higher end indies and you'll be fine.
Bottom line: there will always be some risk in this game. Stay smart and you can minimize it.
Phone is great thank you ! Does Koreanna / Seoul desire fall into the category you describe? Thanks for the insight ...
The Big Bust in NYC last year (13 KMPs and spas) developed from a lengthy investigation into money laundering and other federal money charges primarily against the owners and their agents. The investigation, based on a "confidential informant" [one of the mamasans was arrested for something or other and she flipped] took well over a year. There were no arrests for prostitution or trafficking or anything like that.
There is no evidence to support that the "Asian fast-houses" in any way coerce the girls to work for them.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for promulgating such nonsense. I suppose all Black hookers have pimps too.
What is an "Asian fast house?" Never heard that expression.
but I am also pretty sure that he meant AMP's, The more stupid people among us still cling to the belief promulgated by the MSM that the AMP girls are all being trafficked and are somehow being held against their will.
Jake is "supposed to be" smart enough to know this stereotype is NOT true, but sometimes Jake just blurts out stupid shit when he has nothing to add to the conversation.
Thank you.
There are two qualifiers in your reply that I'd like to understand better:
1) You say that the MSM claims that "all" AMP workers are trafficked
2) You call this belief a stereotype, as opposed to an outright lie
Do you think that any AMP workers are trafficked? If so, would you qualify it as a few, some, many or most (or use your own qualitative or quantitative modifier)? How do you come by this knowledge?
but it comes from decades of experience and a VERY large sample size.
Yes, "some" AMP workers are trafficked and are truly working against their will, but it's very unlikely that any white person will be running into any "sex slaves" as they are typically tucked way back in Chinatown, Koreatown or Little Saigon and not the storefront variety that any white guy might stumble upon.
I can only remember one "AMP type" place where I got the uneasy feeling that they girls were not willing participants in the 21 century, and that was a Vietnamese place, tucked way back in a place you could never find by accident, without a white face in sight for blocks. I have been to others in my youth, but that was a different lifetime way back in the days before the internet
I have been with hundreds of different AMP girls over about 40 years, I have been in LTR's with a few, seen dozen more "outside of work" who I wasn't dating and have been in social situations with literally hundreds of these girls as a result of hanging out with the friends of the girls I was dating. I have also gotten to know several AMP owners and mamasans, not to mention one of my EX GFs who used to work in an AMP herself started one of her own after she "retired" from fucking for a living.
So yes, I think I have a LOT better idea of how things work in this world than some journalist who invests a couple of weeks into researching a story and want to make the headline a catchy one.
Let me put it to you this way, the average guy who frequents AMPs most likely will NEVER run into a so-called "sex slave"
Visiting NYC in 2 weeks , being totally new have a few questions
I tried to connect with a top 100 provider but no luck. I am looking for advice on the safest way to get setup for a few encounters while in NYC.
I don't have 411 but may consider it if I can get them on the phone (email and web make me nervous) has 411 ever leaked info or anything ? I know they say they don't store info but pretty much anything on the net is searchable these days
I see conflicting info on the net ... some info is don't ever give personal info it will come back to haunt you use an alias. Others say in order to get anywhere you will have to share that info and risk it...
Lastly how common are LE stings or busts in NY? How real is that risk? If something were to happen is it something that I would be out in a few hrs?
I had very similar questions but did not have permission to post on the board until today.
Visiting NYC in 2 weeks , being totally new have a few questions
I tried to connect with a top 100 provider but no luck. I am looking for advice on the safest way to get setup for a few encounters while in NYC.
I don't have 411 but may consider it if I can get them on the phone (email and web make me nervous) has 411 ever leaked info or anything ? I know they say they don't store info but pretty much anything on the net is searchable these days
I see conflicting info on the net ... some info is don't ever give personal info it will come back to haunt you use an alias. Others say in order to get anywhere you will have to share that info and risk it...
Lastly how common are LE stings or busts in NY? How real is that risk? If something were to happen is it something that I would be out in a few hrs?