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It's a PC sham ! I hate Imus, but he got fucked by pc scumbags!
Dabney 3287 reads
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Imus will be the poster boy for "PC Lying black scumbags rum amok" !  

Sham, Sham, Sham !

Bush Whacker2164 reads

The nappy headed host-- geriatric and syndicated, cynical and simulcast-- wielded a weapon of words with no idea how pointed it was. He punctured the veneer of acceptability that coats professional media hatemongers and slipped in the putrid mess that was revealed.

That wound needs to be cleansed.

The bigoted phrase has slipped into the national lingo and is thrown around casually, carelessly, stupidly, repetitively. While the nation wiped the gore off video screens and water coolers, fingers were pointed, apologies were made and the tragic normalization of broadcast bigotry was recognized.

Yet it is not an individual syndicated slimeball or particular bigoted phrase that is at fault; it is not a single form of music or art that is the cause of a pervasive problem.

The pervasiveness is the problem.

The all powerful, hypersynergized, Uberconsolidated, 24/7 corporate media feeds on the personas, the clichés, the music, the creativity and chatter that is thrown around and thrown away, carelessly, stupidly, repetitively. The individual, the original, the genuine is embraced just long enough to be consumed, cloned, packaged, branded, marketed and demographicked to corporate consumer culture.

If you can call it culture. What we are left with is clichés and constant chuckleheaded controversies, distractions du jour and a zombified public; adults who don’t remember it wasn’t always like this and youth who don’t know anything different ever existed.

Convince people that all they want is crap-- Give the people what they want. Will the people realize that they and their culture are what is being cannibalized and sold back to them-- greenbacks traded for Soylent Green?

Accepting bigotry and mindless cliched attitudes and repeating them as if it’s “no big deal” is a mistake. It’s a very big deal. The consolidated corporate crapola delivery system depends on it.

Those dead soldiers you show in the picture (sympathy?) died for everyone's right to NOT be censored.  I guarantee you that on their way to class, or to that ridiculous press conference, at least half of the team was listening to their iPods or a car radio, to songs with lyrics much more hurtful that anything Don Imus EVER said.

Dabney3288 reads

Imus will be the poster boy for "PC Lying black scumbags rum amok" !  

Sham, Sham, Sham !

...whatever happened to free speech?  I've heard Imus say some dumb shit about us Asians as well, so I am the last person that should be considered a racist or a bigot & I am not condoning any of his comments, past or current.  I always wrote Imus off as some out-of-touch asshole, hell, I could never understand what the fuck he was muttering anyway...but he should still have the right to say stupid shit, shouldn't he?

Long live Howard Stern...hey now!

does not entitle one to be paid to speak;
free speech does not entitle one to an audience;
free speech does not entitle one to sponsorship;
free speech does not entitle one to a job;
free speech does not entitle one to access to FCC regulated airwaves;
free speech does not preclude one from being ridiculed, harrassed, insulted or disagreed with;
free speech entitles one to speak;
but free speech does not entitle one to be heard.

I firmly support the right of Imus to tell his wife anything he cares to share with her.

excellent point and this is what some people are missing. he gets paid to rip people for the job they do not their gender, ethnicity etc.

I don't understand your thoughts.  I would appreciate some elaboration.  Before reading your post, it appeared to me that a significant portion of the audience to whom Imus was playing had voiced their intention to no longer listen to the show.  Accordingly, sponsorship fell and there was no longer an economic rationale for continuing the show.  After reading your post, I am certain that I am missing many facts that influenced your interpretation of the events.  I would very much appreciate you sharing those with me.

Thank you in advance.

THFKAM3129 reads

The First Amendment may not technically apply here, but its spirit does.  Imus is part of one of the longest traditions in Western Culture -- intelligent humor and satire that occasionally crosses the line.  I am not defending his sexism or racism or even his bullying persona.  But the PC-based corporate fear that drove him out is one of the saddest spectacles I have ever witnessed.  His show -- which I watched regularly on MSNBC for the last two years -- was terrific.  He had great political guests and great musicians.  He also had great comic routines by his regular crew (excluding his minstrel buddy Bernard) that could easily have survived in a revamped Imus show which cut out the racist and sexist humor.  But Imus was never given that chance, although he may get the chance on satellite radio.  

As for public reaction, the MSN poll shows that 51% of the public think he should just have been suspended; and about 25% think that the entire incident was overblown.  The sponsors panicked.

If the PC police are allowed to run amok, we are all at risk.  You dont think you could be fired for a random remark made at a business meeting?  Just wait.

I have never seen Imus' show nor have I ever had the desire.  However, whether or not 51% agreed with a suspension and 25% think the incident was overblown, the corporate sponsors did not pressure CBS into firing Imus.  They simply pulled their sponsorship.  Frankly, I think that Corporate America should be commended for standing up and taking the position that they were not going to financially support a guy that thinks it's ok to say what he said.  

Imus will likely land on his feet somewhere.  If he ends up on XM, then those that choose to pay to hear him can support him.  

If you made a blatantly sexist and/or racist "random remark" at a business meeting with other colleagues there I would hope that you would be fired.

What if you were at that meeting and someone made a comment about your daughter (if you had one) being a "trailer-trash slut."  Would you not be offended?

If you make that kind of comment over drinks at a bar, then more power to you.  However, when you do so in a business environment, then, if it is not addressed, it implicitly says that your employer condones your remark, does it not?

...maybe he just pissed off the wrong people this time?  
I, too am glad that Corporate America took a stand here, but what the hell took them so long?  Imus has been spewing this kind of shit for years and years, dissing jews, asians, african-americans, hell even rednecks.  Although I still say he has the right to say these things, I can totally understand that free speech does not give him the right to be paid to do so on public airways.  (Good point HavingFun(a-rep))

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THFKAM2031 reads

on the overall topic of the general subject of racially and sexually insensitive remarks.  To respond specifically to your post:

IMO a blatantly inappropriate remark in the work environment should not be tolerated.  If I were a supervisor in that situation I would immediately tell the speaker that his/her remarks were totally unacceptable, and I might follow up with sensitivity training and a warning.  But zero tolerance?  IMO that should be saved for pilots who show up to work with alcohol on their breath.  Otherwise we are heading very fast for Big Brother and 1984.

I was once in a meeting in which a senior officer (my boss) used the word "niggardly" in the correct but outmoded usage which has nothing to do with a racial slur.  Nonetheless, in my opinion you have to be brain-dead not to realize how that word sounds, whatever its technical derivation.  To make matters worse, he said it in front of a very successful African-American woman (my colleague).  To my colleague's credit, she called him on the remark.  I passed her a note:  "He's retiring soon."  Should I have publicly rebuked him?  Probably.

Imus should have been suspended.  And then given the chance to see whether he could clean up his act.  He may well have failed in that effort, but we'll never know.  I am sure of one thing.  There will never be another show as good as Imus on the public airwaves in the near future.  Imus was among other things a stalwart supporter of Harold Ford and in the forefront of exposing the shabby medical treatment given to our war heroes.  Putting him on XM will just marginalize him and maybe (even worse) encourage him to regress.  I realize and appreciate that there are many people who may applaud that result; I'm just not one of them.

Finally, Bacca, if you ever hear me make a remark anything close to the incredibly stupid and outrageous remark Imus made, please feel free to say:  "Moment, you make be great at eating pussy, but you're a fucking asshole."

In reference to your position about tolerance in the workplace, I am willing to stipulate that perhaps your policy is an acceptable one.  However, in the case of Mr. Imus, he is:
a) Being publicly broadcast on public airwaves (pardon the redundancy).

b) In a field in which he knows the power of his words.

c) Most likely familiar with the repurcussions of his actions, as others have paid the price before (e.g. Jimmy the Greek immediately comes to mind).

d) being funded by advertising dollars that come from the public.

Thus, I believe that public figures that have millions of listeners SHOULD be held to a higher standard.  He is not being deprived of a career or the ability to feed his family.  A suspension for someone like that is really a slap on the wrist and allows him to go to Bermuda for a while.  A stronger message needed to be sent in this case.  I think it was.

As to your offer, Moment: If the situation ever arises (and I doubt that it will) I will gladly take you up on it (although I do believe that I should get independent verification from a reputable provider that you really are great at eating pussy!) :)

Coroporate pressure played some role to drop Imus, but another factor was the pressure from the employees at both CBS and NBC. Alot of employees black and white employees let their voices be heard in the Imus flap. Most were fed up with him after the stupid remark. He had been doing this for years and in 2001 he promised Clarence Page colunmist for the Chicago Sun Time he would clean up his act but he hadn't.
   
  The management at both networks didnt want a revolt on their hands from the employees
   
   The ball got rolling when 2 employees called the National Association of Black Journalists and conplained. They were the first people to call for Imus' head. When the sponsors bailed then he was toast
 If it would been anybody else who said this they would have been fired the next day. A jock  in PA got canned for using the same remark 2 days ago in a contest. The phrase that pays was "I'm a nappy headed Ho" What a moron.

  In the business world you can't call a female co-worker a nappy headed ho. You would be out the door in a heartbeat.

  As far as the free speech angle, yes everyone is entitled to it. Also everyone is entitled to protest as well.
  Being on televsion and radio is a privledge not a right. You can't say whatever you want to. or make up facts in a story that your reporting or slander anyone.    
 He slandered those girls from Rutgers. He knows better than that. Imus has been doing radio since Moses was an infant.
 
  Don't feel bad for Imus. He's got enough money to open his own Citibank branch.
Someone will hire him. I hope that he will learn from this mistake

THFKAM4198 reads

I've read the stories as well about internal complaints.  Also you had Al Roker's blog post.  That kind of stuff -- internal morale, demand by employees for respect -- is very real.  But it is still my passionately held view that this is the biggest media and corporate overreaction I have ever seen, and it will not help society in the long run.  People, even rich old white men, deserve to be punished for their mistakes with some measure of proportionality and fairness.  If what Imus said was a firing offense, then he should have been fired 10 years ago.  (He probably should have been ordered long ago to fire McGuirk and to drop the McGuirk routines, but that's another story).  If not, he should have been given the chance to make things right.  I'm gonna miss the show a lot, as I've said before, for its many many positive aspects.

Ura Moron3300 reads

Imus is a martyr that went down at the virulent hands of "PC Lying black scumbags rum [sic] amok"![sic]  It has nothing to do with the fact that he insulted specific young ladies that he didn't know and that are at the pinnacle of their collegiate academic and athletic careers.  

Let's all hold hands and have a vigil for Imus and insult and degrade like he did.  The world will be a better place with more people like him broadcasting their vitriole to the general public!

HamletsDaddy2382 reads

Don Imus is an asshole and deserves to be fired, but you should save your corporate conspiracy anti-American rants for the Daily Kos blog...sheeesh! Considering the venue you really must be desperate for an audience. Remember folks, think twice before inviting Bush Whacker to a social event.

This post is about Imus and his comments...  why in your reply do you show a picture of soldiers looking at flag covered caskets on the back of a C-130, presumably of fallen soldiers??

Stick to the topic at hand.

Imus is an a-hole  Should have kept his idiot mouth shut.  But as the protoge of Stern...not!  He deserves to roast in the juices he set upon himself...the a-hole!  Lack of discretion...in his case, cost his job, and the huge $$$$ that went with it.  Fool...idiot...jerk...

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