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Dude ur in a big mess sorry for all of that. U need go under the ardor.
WOW girls are nuts.  Eye for Eye i way believe that KARMA

Posted By: Trip_dab
I am not certain what to do. I have made an inquiries with a small law firm who handles the types of matter a monger might have after being charged. My case is a different . I am being harassed and blackmailed by a provider mostly in the form of threats to "reveal" my indiscretion to my employer and law enforcement.  
   
 Her primary evidence comes in the form of text messages where she is upset with me for only giving the standard donation and not giving a much larger unspecified donation .My admission according to her is by rebuttal that I gave the standard donation like anyone else would and I cannot be held obligated to pay some unspecified donation after the fact especially where there was no mention whatsoever that it is wanted or required. The text maybe more specific with numbers and symbols.  
   
 I made the mistake of being helpful in that I helped fix a computer or two, drove her on the occasional errands to the pet feed store, or target. When she has trouble she sees me as her primary go to person and it got tedious and unreasonable. Request for specialty  food runs on my way back from work. Fixing video feeds or editing video.  
   
 She claims to have video of me having services performed but based on her exaggeration or outright untruthfulness it's more likely just entering or leaving the premises. I setup the device along with what I know of her technical expertise and I have doubts  of many of the claims she makes.  
   
 She has also forged my information or otherwise used my identity to falsely represent things mostly to her circle of escorts friends, They operate on a rumor back talking drama filled system full of major perceived offenses that are friendship enders to the sudden and opposite  forgive and forget parties when someone runs out of dope and needs to score.  
   
 There were some comical  attempts of forgery to show I am somehow violent, or made physical threats against her.They do not match up with our exchange on text from my device and I have taken precautions that I hope will allows my ISP, mail, service, mobile service to show that I was either not in the area or did not send a communication at alleged days or times. The sentence structure, phrasing and other cues do not match up either.  
   
 As on of my precautions I have every screen capture of text where she  experiments and modifies lies to get a reaction or create a new method to make trouble. I have a giant collectable information to how she's crazy manipulative ad deceitful but there are so many and so convoluted nobody will read it  
 I have no criminal record and do not have anything to be concerned about except what she alleges I have done. It is so convoluted in that she will contact me out of nowhere in the day and demand I stop continually harassing her and to leave her alone of she will make me sorry and  disappear for the rest of the morning. Then I get continuous babble in the middle of the might where she alternates treats to post things on my social media (not possible) or otherwise expose me, to all sort of attacks on my perceive arrogance, intelligence. To have the police come arrest me etc. Most of the time I just mute her but she switches phone numbers. Uses other peoples phones etc Thankfully I don't think she figured thing out like me email and does not know where I live exactly.  
   
 I have consider sending an anonymous electronic crime tip with attached or linked evidence to get a car out to her for a "look and see" What are the realist expectation for what LE got to see and so. Area is highly populate with massage parlors, Old dirty street walkers mostly of the survival prostitution type I can't image anyone touch these decrepit unwashed things, If the blackmailer were to be questioned what would law enforcement  do with the info. Would they call me and would I then be made to go answer questions. Could I be charged with anything based on her deposition or anything she has.  
   
 Lastly she is a fairly well known but low level provider in that she has been around the block here , has many regulars I assume, and even has a profile and reviews here. The reviews do not match my recent encounters with here. Some will side with her some who are smarter than I am will know that is absolutely why they don't play Save-a-Hoe is something like this handled in TER. Do you dime out the provider, is that even a option. is there some sort of review to see if there are other victims etc. I'd prefer PM's if you reply and until I get a more solid plan I do not think I will be displaying any evidence from either side or aiding in guessing. Please no accusation that I made this up as some sort of stunt. Hold that tongue a week or two for me to have a plan or understand what can or cannot be said. Also please no unnecessary spreading of the story.

Trip_dab2902 reads

I am not certain what to do. I have made an inquiries with a small law firm who handles the types of matter a monger might have after being charged. My case is a different . I am being harassed and blackmailed by a provider mostly in the form of threats to "reveal" my indiscretion to my employer and law enforcement.

Her primary evidence comes in the form of text messages where she is upset with me for only giving the standard donation and not giving a much larger unspecified donation .My admission according to her is by rebuttal that I gave the standard donation like anyone else would and I cannot be held obligated to pay some unspecified donation after the fact especially where there was no mention whatsoever that it is wanted or required. The text maybe more specific with numbers and symbols.

I made the mistake of being helpful in that I helped fix a computer or two, drove her on the occasional errands to the pet feed store, or target. When she has trouble she sees me as her primary go to person and it got tedious and unreasonable. Request for specialty  food runs on my way back from work. Fixing video feeds or editing video.  

She claims to have video of me having services performed but based on her exaggeration or outright untruthfulness it's more likely just entering or leaving the premises. I setup the device along with what I know of her technical expertise and I have doubts  of many of the claims she makes.  

She has also forged my information or otherwise used my identity to falsely represent things mostly to her circle of escorts friends, They operate on a rumor back talking drama filled system full of major perceived offenses that are friendship enders to the sudden and opposite  forgive and forget parties when someone runs out of dope and needs to score.

There were some comical  attempts of forgery to show I am somehow violent, or made physical threats against her.They do not match up with our exchange on text from my device and I have taken precautions that I hope will allows my ISP, mail, service, mobile service to show that I was either not in the area or did not send a communication at alleged days or times. The sentence structure, phrasing and other cues do not match up either.  

As on of my precautions I have every screen capture of text where she  experiments and modifies lies to get a reaction or create a new method to make trouble. I have a giant collectable information to how she's crazy manipulative ad deceitful but there are so many and so convoluted nobody will read it  
I have no criminal record and do not have anything to be concerned about except what she alleges I have done. It is so convoluted in that she will contact me out of nowhere in the day and demand I stop continually harassing her and to leave her alone of she will make me sorry and  disappear for the rest of the morning. Then I get continuous babble in the middle of the might where she alternates treats to post things on my social media (not possible) or otherwise expose me, to all sort of attacks on my perceive arrogance, intelligence. To have the police come arrest me etc. Most of the time I just mute her but she switches phone numbers. Uses other peoples phones etc Thankfully I don't think she figured thing out like me email and does not know where I live exactly.

I have consider sending an anonymous electronic crime tip with attached or linked evidence to get a car out to her for a "look and see" What are the realist expectation for what LE got to see and so. Area is highly populate with massage parlors, Old dirty street walkers mostly of the survival prostitution type I can't image anyone touch these decrepit unwashed things, If the blackmailer were to be questioned what would law enforcement  do with the info. Would they call me and would I then be made to go answer questions. Could I be charged with anything based on her deposition or anything she has.

Lastly she is a fairly well known but low level provider in that she has been around the block here , has many regulars I assume, and even has a profile and reviews here. The reviews do not match my recent encounters with here. Some will side with her some who are smarter than I am will know that is absolutely why they don't play Save-a-Hoe is something like this handled in TER. Do you dime out the provider, is that even a option. is there some sort of review to see if there are other victims etc. I'd prefer PM's if you reply and until I get a more solid plan I do not think I will be displaying any evidence from either side or aiding in guessing. Please no accusation that I made this up as some sort of stunt. Hold that tongue a week or two for me to have a plan or understand what can or cannot be said. Also please no unnecessary spreading of the story.

Zangari1144 reads

You spent a lot of time with this provider: bringing her 'specialty food' after you got off work, or helping her by "fixing a computer or two", driving her…"to a pet feed store and Target".  You're a lonely guy who liked doing theses things for her.  And you let this go on for a long time.  So at what point did you finally figure out that she was manipulative & crazy.  

 The problem here: you never admit that you enjoyed playing the role of drone for the queen bee.   You liked this drama & attention until it got out of hand.  She detected weakness in you, and now she's trying to exploit it.  You're only fanning the flames with some of your proposals, like asking LE to send a cruiser to her location.  Even if you extricate yourself from this tar pit, you'll certainly find yourself in a similar situation with another queen bee.  

So what to do now:  
1) change your cell number & e-mail address.  
2) stop all communication with her.  
3) disable all of your social media accounts (I can't believe mongers actually have Facebook accounts).  
4) Drop out of the hobby for a while.  You're overexposed & vulnerable now.  
5) Get some therapy from a trained professional.  Your neediness & desire to be loved has backfired on you, and now you're dealing with the messy consequences.  

I doubt you'll do any of the above, but there you go. --z

Trip_dab954 reads

Thank you for your opinion. Your assumption is incorrect but not unreasonable given circumstances and details which I have purposely limited. I had asked for responses in PM's or email for a reason and specifically asked to be spared some of the public judgement brought on the anonymity of the internet. When  thing comes further along and more detail become more appropriate it hopefully will more sense.  

I received at least one PM that was extremely helpful. Anyone that has dealt directly or even has secondhand experience with blackmail and extortion from a provider please message me.

Zangari842 reads

Posted By: Trip_dab
I had asked for responses in PM's or email for a reason and specifically asked to be spared some of the public judgement --snip--
  You're so fragile that criticism on an anonymous fuck board is just too much for you to handle.  You'd rather avoid "judgment" because you prefer to play the helpless victim rather than deal with  the underlying cause of this issue (your loneliness & desire for love).   That's not unusual--everyone has those desires.  Your actions in this little mini-drama reveal a lot about you.  But you can't even acknowledge your own role in this situation.  

  You can read 500 PMs about dealing with blackmail, but that's not going to help.  You need to reexamine your own actions and underlying motives regarding this situation.  If you refuse to do that, then you won't learn anything from this painful experience.  Maybe a professional therapist can help you deal with these complex issues.    --z

involved with a provider.  I do it a lot, and haven't had any particularly upsetting circumstances arise if you don't count getting married to one.  

Like everything in life, there are risks, but they are often worth it for the experiences they offer.  The hobby is no different.

Hopefully we learn by our mistakes and move on.

It's unfair to claim that the OP has a psychological flaw.  Even if you are a shrink, which I tend to doubt, you have no business placing a diagnosis on him from his brief exposure on here.  Given the ferocity that often accompanies persons exposing their problems on TER, his request to have replies by PM seems eminently reasonable

GaGambler699 reads

There are other times when he is simply a needless prick. This is one of those times.

I become "friends" with hookers and sometimes do little things for them as well. A LOT of times I pay for a one hour session and then we go out as friends, dinner, drinks or occasionally running a few errands. None of this causes me to become delusional that I have a "real" relationship although some times being "friends" does sometimes lead to something more serious. It's my business and if someone like Zangari where to suggest I had psychological problems because I occasionally become friends with the hookers I fuck, he would be very wise to confine those thoughts to the safety of the internet, If he spoke to me the way he spoke to the OP, he would rapidly find himself in need of dental work if he had the bad sense to say it to my face.

The OP has a serious issue, flippant remarks about his mental health are hardly helpful.

As for the OP, It is possible that LE could pursue charges against him, but not likely. I would still advise getting an attorney to hold his hand while he talks to LE, just to make sure he doesn't end up the one facing charges.

Zangari714 reads

Posted By: GaGambler
Sometimes Zangari is a prick, but gives good adviceThere are other times when he is simply a needless prick. This is one of those times.
 The ad-hom attack is the most common fallacy on the boards.  You've been around too long to resort to idiotic name calling.  Debate the issue, not the person.  
Posted By: GaGambler
if someone like Zangari where to suggest I had psychological problems because I occasionally become friends with the hookers I fuck…he would rapidly find himself in need of dental work --snip--
 Now a threat.  This isn't TER High School. You and Fisher have been around for a long time.  Yet you *still* perpetuate the myth that recommending therapy is an 'insult'.  As if therapy is for crazy people only.  That's ignorance on your part.  

 Crazy people don't seek therapy.  When someone realizes that they have a problem and seeks out professional  help, that's  proof of sanity.  There's nothing wrong with having a friendship with a provider.  But the fact remains that you and Fisher (by your own admission) actively seek romantic partners in P4P.  Imagine telling people outside of your P4P bubble that you date prostitutes.  If they cared about you at all, they might recommend that you get some therapy.  And you'd respond by hurting them.  It does sound like you have a problem.  And making threats isn't going to change that.  --

GaGambler573 reads

and you really are kind of a prick, not a funny prick like me, but kind of a nasty prick that most likely would get punched in the face a lot if he spoke to people in person like you do on the internet.

You are also a bit less than honest. I don't go "seeking" romantic partners in P4P and to my knowledge neither does fish, Just because I am open to it and have had more than a few rather successful relationships with hookers doesn't mean that's what I am seeking. Also for the record a lot of people outside my "P4P bubble" as you want to call it know that I see and have dated hookers, none of them have recommended therapy and to date I haven't punched any of them in the face.

Let's see, so far you are batting a perfect .000 anything else you'd care to be wrong about?

The issue is, or at least my issue is that you are kind of an overbearing prick and you have done nothing on this thread to do anything but prove I am correct in my assessment

Zangari601 reads

Posted By: GaGambler
Just because you buy into psycho babble  --snip--
 Dismissing therapy as 'psycho babble' is more ignorance on your part.  And when one describes themselves as 'funny', that usually means they're not.   Given the enormous amount of time you spend on these boards (you post more than anyone here) indicates that P4P is a huge part of your life.  So your statement that you don't "Seek out" hookers to date,  but you're "open to it" is hardly convincing. --z

-- Modified on 5/31/2016 10:34:45 PM

Speaking of crazy people and therapy did you guys see that the guy that shot President Reagan got out yesterday? Judge said he was not a danger to Society.  I hope the Judge lives close to him

Trip_dab736 reads

Zangari please look in your inbox for the PM I sent prior to your 2nd post and following pm regarding your 2nd post. 1st message may of timed out I am not certain, but either case please read carefully and keep confidential. Not trying to duck your public accusations but you kind of got it wrong and I want to be as discreet as possible while asking for some help. Please withhold some judgement for the time being please as explained in the PM.  

To others sorry this is getting convoluted. Its mostly my fault. Does anyone have information on how law enforcement would handle accusation of solicitation or participating in prostitution if the information was completely or near complete hearsay? for them to pursue charges after the fact what likely supportive evidence would they likely need. To your knowledge has this ever happen  and if so how often. Sorry I did do some intial google's and advance search on RM but did not producesnthgint furectly  

I probably will seek out legal council but the initial firm I contacted has not given a follow up reply to my initial inquiry/free consultation. I almost feel they are limited until there are actual charges to address. Maybe extortion as it is happening or before it has happened is very unusual for what they handle. I'm not a man of great means but if you have a recommendation for legal council in my matter would be worth exploring for me.

while technically you could be in some legal trouble for essentially confessing to P4P, I would think it unlikely that the detective handling something like extortion would waste his time on the P4P rap, and besides, I would hope that he would not want to do things that would deter a victim of extortion from seeking the help of the police in the future.

But, a local lawyer who has dealt with the specific police department in question would be a better judge of this.

(still not a lawyer)

Trip_dab682 reads

Very good point. All the attorney I have contacted we sought for their expertise and I had not considered first hand dealing with the area PD. I will add that to my criteria. Thank you that was very helpful.

Zangari708 reads

Posted By: mrfisher
There is nothing inherently wrong about getting socially, and even emotionally....involved with a provider.
 Getting emotionally involved with someone who you're paying to fuck is a big problem.  If she decides to stop charging you,  then a meaningful relationship may develop.   But that's not the case here.    
Posted By: mrfisher
I do it a lot, and haven't had any particularly upsetting circumstances arise if you don't count getting married to one…there are risks, but they are often worth it for the experiences they offer.  The hobby is no different --snip--  
  The hobby is completely different from dating,  One shouldn't be looking for romantic partners in P4P.  There are dating sites for that.  And there are more traditional ways to meet people.  I hope you don't post your dating philosophy on the newbie board.  
Posted By: Trip_dab
Zangari please look in your inbox  
 Sorry Tdab,  I don't have 'VIP access'--I've been in the sugar bowl for a long time.  The problem I have with your posts:  it appears that you've learned nothing from this painful experience.  I wish you had posted something like the following:
 "I realize now that I was looking for a girlfriend, but ended up getting played by a hooker".  

That self awareness would've been great.  But it appears that you'd rather play the victim, avoid criticism,  and ignore your own behavior in this destructive relationship.  Here's the play: you  weren't randomly targeted for blackmail. When you accepted the role of drone & gofer, this hooker realized that you were easily manipulated.  Her blackmail is just an extension of that same manipulation.  One doesn't need a Psych degree to see the play.  I'm sorry for this turn of events. You seem like a decent guy.   Good luck.  --

if you go to the Police and CONFESS to a crime.  Some LE will go after the bigger crime but others might be tempted to grab the easy one.  
   
Treat this as blackmail & cut off contact as has been suggested.  Save all communications.  Do not go to LE without your attorney...    

Were you using a separate "hobby' phone & email?  Priceless!    

Sending LE after her for prostitution is just bad business... for both of you.  If the blackmail becomes real, that is a felony charge & really f-ing stupid of her.  

You tried to be nice to her & she just stabbed you in the back.  She will lose a customer & someone who helped her for no gain.

The guy picked up a hooker...  paid her...  and then she refused to provide said services.  He called the Police & made a statement that he'd paid her for sex & she was now refusing same.  HE was promptly arrested & charged with solicitation of prostitution on the basis of his own statement:  In effect, he confessed.  
She was smart enough to not confess & walked.

I doubt she'll go to LE, but they can't do much unless you confess. Do NOT talk to LE under any circumstance. Tell them to talk to your lawyer.  

I strongly suggest you go no contact with the BSC lady. We all have run into one if we play long enough. I think it's a requirement to be a hooker.

That includes email and text. Sometimes it might require that you block the numbers on the network level. They will get the message and decide to leave you alone. I block all restricted calls.

Dude ur in a big mess sorry for all of that. U need go under the ardor.
WOW girls are nuts.  Eye for Eye i way believe that KARMA

Posted By: Trip_dab
I am not certain what to do. I have made an inquiries with a small law firm who handles the types of matter a monger might have after being charged. My case is a different . I am being harassed and blackmailed by a provider mostly in the form of threats to "reveal" my indiscretion to my employer and law enforcement.  
   
 Her primary evidence comes in the form of text messages where she is upset with me for only giving the standard donation and not giving a much larger unspecified donation .My admission according to her is by rebuttal that I gave the standard donation like anyone else would and I cannot be held obligated to pay some unspecified donation after the fact especially where there was no mention whatsoever that it is wanted or required. The text maybe more specific with numbers and symbols.  
   
 I made the mistake of being helpful in that I helped fix a computer or two, drove her on the occasional errands to the pet feed store, or target. When she has trouble she sees me as her primary go to person and it got tedious and unreasonable. Request for specialty  food runs on my way back from work. Fixing video feeds or editing video.  
   
 She claims to have video of me having services performed but based on her exaggeration or outright untruthfulness it's more likely just entering or leaving the premises. I setup the device along with what I know of her technical expertise and I have doubts  of many of the claims she makes.  
   
 She has also forged my information or otherwise used my identity to falsely represent things mostly to her circle of escorts friends, They operate on a rumor back talking drama filled system full of major perceived offenses that are friendship enders to the sudden and opposite  forgive and forget parties when someone runs out of dope and needs to score.  
   
 There were some comical  attempts of forgery to show I am somehow violent, or made physical threats against her.They do not match up with our exchange on text from my device and I have taken precautions that I hope will allows my ISP, mail, service, mobile service to show that I was either not in the area or did not send a communication at alleged days or times. The sentence structure, phrasing and other cues do not match up either.  
   
 As on of my precautions I have every screen capture of text where she  experiments and modifies lies to get a reaction or create a new method to make trouble. I have a giant collectable information to how she's crazy manipulative ad deceitful but there are so many and so convoluted nobody will read it  
 I have no criminal record and do not have anything to be concerned about except what she alleges I have done. It is so convoluted in that she will contact me out of nowhere in the day and demand I stop continually harassing her and to leave her alone of she will make me sorry and  disappear for the rest of the morning. Then I get continuous babble in the middle of the might where she alternates treats to post things on my social media (not possible) or otherwise expose me, to all sort of attacks on my perceive arrogance, intelligence. To have the police come arrest me etc. Most of the time I just mute her but she switches phone numbers. Uses other peoples phones etc Thankfully I don't think she figured thing out like me email and does not know where I live exactly.  
   
 I have consider sending an anonymous electronic crime tip with attached or linked evidence to get a car out to her for a "look and see" What are the realist expectation for what LE got to see and so. Area is highly populate with massage parlors, Old dirty street walkers mostly of the survival prostitution type I can't image anyone touch these decrepit unwashed things, If the blackmailer were to be questioned what would law enforcement  do with the info. Would they call me and would I then be made to go answer questions. Could I be charged with anything based on her deposition or anything she has.  
   
 Lastly she is a fairly well known but low level provider in that she has been around the block here , has many regulars I assume, and even has a profile and reviews here. The reviews do not match my recent encounters with here. Some will side with her some who are smarter than I am will know that is absolutely why they don't play Save-a-Hoe is something like this handled in TER. Do you dime out the provider, is that even a option. is there some sort of review to see if there are other victims etc. I'd prefer PM's if you reply and until I get a more solid plan I do not think I will be displaying any evidence from either side or aiding in guessing. Please no accusation that I made this up as some sort of stunt. Hold that tongue a week or two for me to have a plan or understand what can or cannot be said. Also please no unnecessary spreading of the story.

Most likely her threats are bluff since going to LE draws unwanted attention to her activities.  She can bad mouth you to her click of friends but you are best done with her kind anyway.  

You gave her certain kindnesses, whether you got freebees or paid full rate matters not.  She repaid your kindnesses with threats & bad behavior.  While you need to preserve any info including anything which might be used to discover her real idenitity (restraining orders & cease & desist orders need a respondant).  If she's so foolish you, might need an attourney & even a PI.

Cutting off contact, changing your contact info, moving on is the only way to deal with blackmail / extortion.  Doing anything to "get even" only puts you at greater risk.  Really dumb.  You need to minimize risk now.  

If you decide to hobby in the future, you start over.

ATLDAWG620 reads

Very likely this gal has more than one line in the water and is actively working several fish at the same time.  Best is to put her on ignore/block/etc....and move on!  No one has paid any extortion money and given all of the circumstances I would presume it to be highly unlikely that any law enforcement agency would do anything to investigate this matter but could arrest the OP for admitting to a P4P deal ! Drop it and move on !!!! And.....enjoy the weekend....!

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