True - i don't mind two smaller clubs in a day, but would like to stay at a big club all day... but i prefer going to an fkk after 4pm.... before that the quality isnt as good.
Do Americans register for FKKtour.com using their real name/home address information? I know that this is completely legal in Germany, but again for hobbying purposes, I am so used to using fake name. I wanted to register for their newsletter so I can cash in on some of their last minute deals. I am planning on hitting the FKK scene in Germany this Spring.
Just to clarify, I am not talking about when you making payment to book the tour, but just when you are initially registering on their site for informational purposes.
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I think it is cheaper and more freedom if you go by yourself. The tour people take you to FKKs that pay them the most commission and not necessarily the best.
I would believe you, and I am sure it's cheaper for someone who lives in Germany or knows little bit of German and surroundings, however, I am seeing a lot of positive response on TER from people who have been to those tours. May be on second or third trip, I can do it solo.
I'm one of those who found the fkktour.com to be just the ticket, at least for your first excursion. We visited all the top clubs, plus a couple off the beaten track. And you're right, guyofcharm, if you're flexible to some degree, you might be able to leverage your travel dollar by snagging one of their discounted trip incentives offered via their newsletter/special mailings.
Regarding the newsletter, I went ahead and used my real name/address when signing up. I figured it's like signing up for any adult-oriented travel site (like charlisangels.com), in that there's nothing illegal about it and the fact that you signed up for a newsletter means nothing as to whether you actually did/plan to do a trip. If however, you're really concerned, you could use a vague email address and bogus personal info and nobody's going to be the wiser, nor will care enough in any case to verify it.
Yeah. That's exactly what I did. I registered on fkktour.com using real name/address and linked it to a new email address. I'm envisioning it as a huge Meet and Greet with frequent breaks to fuck beautiful women.
Spring can't come soon enough.
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My first order of business usually was to shower and shave, and then chill out in the club's lounge area for a bit whilst I surveyed the scene. Soon enough, I'd catch the eye of a fetching young thing (usually a Polish babe for me) and off we'd go for a half-hour of CIM bliss. Afterward, I'd get a drink and maybe a mid-afternoon snack, and then lay outside if it's warm, or soak in the sauna.
By around 5pm, we'd gather the troops at the van and head for the next club. We'd arrive around 6pm and after the usual check-in procedures, I'd make a beeline for dinner. And most the clubs serve a decent hot meal - often cooked on a grill outdoors. Then there's more lounging around, small talk, and fucking.
Finally, we'd bug around 11pm and head back to the hotel, with our heads hitting the pillow by midnight. Then we get up the next morning and do it all again. It's the luxe life for sure...
even though i have been to many fkk clubs by myself, sometimes you get bored going by yourself and being on tour with other like minded guys i think would be fun - plus the added advantage of having all travel and accommodation taken care of would be nice as well.
I was thinking about going on a fkk tour next year, but see tours are basically limited to may and november, which isnt the best timing for me.
I was just wondering how many clubs the tours go to every day. It seems from what i have read, the tours go to 2 clubs a day. This seems a lot, considering id rather just stay at a club like oase or palace the whole day /night from 4pm. Does anyone know if they always go to 2 clubs a day, or just some days.
I was also curious of they go to a partytreff club?
When I went in Aug'10, we hit two clubs per day. You can see the basic daily MO in my earlier post in this thread. The fkktour guide, to his credit, really wanted to ensure we visited a good quantity and variety of clubs during our tour, so we were typically going from 9am to often 11 or 12pm, including travel time to/from the clubs and hotel.
There was some discussion about slowing down the pace, to leave more 'down time' to recuperate and take care of personal matters (e.g., email, work stuff, or just plain chilling). If most the guys want that and/or the club destinations are close enough to the hotel to allow going back between club visits, then that would be possible. The guide pretty much leaves it up to the passengers as to what they want to do. But because there can be from two to six or seven passengers and everyone's there primarily to visit the FKKs, there has to be some degree of consensus, and hitting the clubs generally takes precedence. Luckily, the clubs often have internet access and places to rest, so even though you're there, you can opt out of fucking for a while and recharge.
Our guide also made it a point to offer alternative destinations, for example the porn/escort district in Bonn, the red light district in Amsterdam, and yes, a partytreff. On our trip, we did the first two, but opted for more time at FKKs instead of the partytreff.
Lastly, I also agree with you that having a couple buds to hang with at the FKKs is nice, especially if you're an English speaker only. You can share experiences, which girls are good, etc. The fkktour.com is one highly recommended way to do that. The International Sex Guide (internationalsexguide.info) also features a "Travel Announcements" section on the German FKK page where guys can post their itineraries.
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"To each is own" I guess. Personally, I would like to stick to club-a-day as long as I find friendly staff, good food, hot women (not to aggressive though). But when you go on a tour with 7-8 people, the tour guide has to accommodate everyone, and make a reasonable effort to keep everyone happy..Everyone will have slightly different taste when it comes to women, food, and quality of surroundings.
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True - i don't mind two smaller clubs in a day, but would like to stay at a big club all day... but i prefer going to an fkk after 4pm.... before that the quality isnt as good.
Thank Rod for the info.
Generally i wouldn't mind two smaller clubs a day, but would prefer only 1 large club a day - but it wouldnt put me off going on a tour.
Damn 9am starts - better bring some redbull!
Can i ask which clubs the tour takes you on? I have been to oase, palace, living room, artemis. I would love to visit sharks, bernds, villa vertigo, sayma, goldentime, das 5 element, world and partytreff dortsen and mettmann. Did you visit any of these clubs?
Also were the quality of hotels ok... i dont expect anything flash, but were they at least 2.5-3 stars standard.
Thanks for the intersexguide info. I have never seen that board before. A very useful tool.
Not true Vito.
There are tours in Oct, Nov, Feb, April, May, Sept.
Thanks - i must have been looking at something else.
Though July would be the best time for me...
I would advise against doing the tours, especially if you are an experienced traveller. Do your own research and travel on your own time. Its not that difficult and you will have a good time.
True, and ive done that before. But i wouldn't mind someone else taking care of everything like hotels, transport for a change. Also it would be good to go with other guys!
Definately worth it to bring a wingman, if you can manage. It gives you someone that speaks your language someone to talk with and share experiences. Going solo felt a bit lonely at times.
On the other hand, the guys entering as part of a tour are easily identified and are prime targets for sharks, because the girls know you are only there for a short time, unlikely to repeat, and are an easy mark. Its called processing.
If you are from a different country, the best you can say to the girls is that you are there on business and will be coming back because you have a contract to do work in the area. You don't have to be specific, but it shows that you are worthy of her interest, time, and extra service.
As for hotels and transportation, it is no more difficult than in the US (and in some cases much easier) if you have a GPS with European maps. Just stay out of the left lane unless your foot is on the floor, obey the speed limits (when there are any), and be able to drive a stick (because the car rental companies rarely have automatics). Many hotels are relatively inexpensive and car rentals are very inexpensive too.
True, and ive done that before. But i wouldn't mind someone else taking care of everything like hotels, transport for a change. Also it would be good to go with other guys!
For that reason, for SOME clubs that are close to trains, I'd skip the car. Even Oase is a piece of cake to do without a car- 10 euro cab ride each way to the train station or the Mercure in Friedrichsdorf.
I can see the argument for using a tour, and the argument for not using one. It's really like using a tour company in Europe- some people do this, some people are fine researching and going solo or with a friend.
I've generally found that if you observe the scene for a while and you're not thinking with your dick you can figure out who the "processors" are (and doing intel on the boards like ISG and Ignatz Mice will help too).
yep i usually takes trains and hence have been to oase, paradise, sauna living room etc. I would like to go to places trains do go to easy like bernds, goldentime, partytreff clubs etc.
Yep i am good at picking out the sharks and dodging them! Though i wouldn't mind going to fkk sharks!
Yes i know the "im on work trip" trick. I learnt that pretty quickly the first time i went to germany on holidays and found fkk clubs. At first i said i was on holidays and got bad service, then said i was an investment banker in frankfurt and will be there for 3 years and got the best service!
and i understand that the sharks would be out in full flight if i went in a group. But i can pick them out quickly these days.
If i can get a wingman or two, i would always prefer to go with mates, then on a tour. Anyway ill see what happens when i go next year.
On the other hand, the guys entering as part of a tour are easily identified and are prime targets for sharks, because the girls know you are only there for a short time, unlikely to repeat, and are an easy mark. Its called processing.
If you are from a different country, the best you can say to the girls is that you are there on business and will be coming back because you have a contract to do work in the area. You don't have to be specific, but it shows that you are worthy of her interest, time, and extra service.
As for hotels and transportation, it is no more difficult than in the US (and in some cases much easier) if you have a GPS with European maps. Just stay out of the left lane unless your foot is on the floor, obey the speed limits (when there are any), and be able to drive a stick (because the car rental companies rarely have automatics). Many hotels are relatively inexpensive and car rentals are very inexpensive too.
True, and ive done that before. But i wouldn't mind someone else taking care of everything like hotels, transport for a change. Also it would be good to go with other guys!
Vito,
I may be going next year myself. Having already done the fkktour once, I could now be up for going to the clubs in a more customized way (not on a tour) with another guy or two who may be there along the way, as well. Also, guys on ISG sometimes list their expected itineraries under the "Travel Announcements" thread. Once I get a better handle on my plans, I'll post something there and shoot you a note.
If i can get a wingman or two, i would always prefer to go with mates, then on a tour. Anyway ill see what happens when i go next year.
ok thanks...
I may be going next year myself. Having already done the fkktour once, I could now be up for going to the clubs in a more customized way (not on a tour) with another guy or two who may be there along the way, as well. Also, guys on ISG sometimes list their expected itineraries under the "Travel Announcements" thread. Once I get a better handle on my plans, I'll post something there and shoot you a note.
If i can get a wingman or two, i would always prefer to go with mates, then on a tour. Anyway ill see what happens when i go next year.
What all does the tour include? Hotel, food and Travel expenses?
Hotel accommodations are included. Travel from Hotel to Clubs is included. Travel to Germany from wherever you are is not included. Not sure about food. I believe since you are spending the entire day in the clubs, you are expected to buy food at the clubs. I think that breakfast MIGHT be included.
I haven't been on the tour yet, but have done lot of research.
Veterans, feel free to correct me.
Judging from the website it includes hotel and travel expenses. Breakfast should be at the hotel i guess and lunch and dinner at the fkk clubs. Some clubs have great food like das5 element and living rooms pizza at 11pm, whilst others have poor food like fkk oase.
Youngstud777,
Regarding what's included, fkktour provides for your hotel (economy style - think Econolodge or Super 8 hotel), transportation (including pickup and drop off at the airport), and guide. When I went, we generally stopped for breakfast at a favorite German bakery (when staying in Frankfurt), which cooked a plentiful hot breakfast of eggs, rolls, meats, etc., for ~5 Euros. Lunch and dinner were obtained at the clubs, and most were actually quite decent (often cooking outside on a grill), with a couple that provided 4-star, made-to-order restaurant quality meals. You are of course responsible for club entry fees and whatever sessions you book. Our guide did get us reduced entry rates to a couple places, so while not guaranteed for every trip, it was a nice perk.
I did the calculations one time and figured you basically break even, provided you're able to grab one of the discounted fkktour dates (they advertise occasionally, so it's good to be on their mailing list) and you're comparing their rates to making the trip by yourself (and thereby footing your own hotel, car, and gas). It's good to keep in mind the clubs are spread far apart (e.g., 20 - 80 miles apart), so gas at $7/gallon is no small deal.
If you're interested, look for my other posts on this board to see my other write-ups of my fkktour trip.
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I may consider a tour this time around to make the most of the clubs at a distance. However, I would fair much better in a small group 3-4 opposed to 6-10.
I didn't have any trouble last time I was there...but only made it to 3 clubs in the Frankfurt area...I'm there again in April and would like to expand my range a bit...
Might try to the tour this time...who knows...??
KC - Yeah, it's hard to know how many people will be on the fkktour at any given time. When I went (which was for a 10-day stretch in Aug'10), the size of the group fluctuated, depending on who was joining or exiting on any given day. Fkktour builds their itineraries such that some guys can come in for a little as a 4-day trip to as much as 10 or more. So during my time, we made a couple return trips to the Frankfurt airport to drop off and pick up guys. There were times it was just a couple of us in the van with our guide, to as many as six for part of the trip. And all the guys were cool, by the way - interesting mix of 30 - 60 year olds from America, Canada, Japan, and India. Some were first timers and others seasoned repeat customers.
I think our tour size was fairly normal for an fkktour, although I did hear they had one tour a year or so ago that necessitated two vehicles. For our trip, we were transported in an eight-passenger minivan which was comfortable enough by rental car standards.
Regarding the distances, there were times we'd head out in the morning with a 90-minute ride in front of us if going to one of the outlying clubs. The guide did a good job though, scheduling clubs so that once at the first club for the day, the next one would be reasonably close by. And then the schedule could vary depending on which club guys really wanted to visit. As an example, I wanted to see Villa Vertigo (due to seeing its link on the TER side bar), which we did but it was a hike to get there. It turned out not to be my favorite club at all, but I was glad to have checked it out and satisfy my curiosity. I think if I visited the FKK clubs with any frequency (just like with strip clubs in the US), I'd soon enough find my favorites in terms of service, price, and distance, and pretty much stick with them. Based on my first trip there, I could see my favorites becoming Bernds, Oase, and Goldentime, depending on my mood.
Thanks for the info...I've heard about Bernds being the true FKK experience...but business will only get me into Frankfurt..and I think Bernds is near Dusseldorf? I'm getting a small list together for my next trip in April, thinking Oase,Palace, and Atlantik...maybe World as well...
A tour would be ideal...to explore beyond the usual FRA region....still contemplating this.
Thanks for info again!
There's also another FKK in that region in Dierdorf, 70 miles out of Frankfurt, FKK Finca:
http://finca-erotica.com/
Finca's not as flashy as the big Hessen clubs but it's a decent place.
I wouldn't be horribly worried about driving in Germany as long as you have a GPS, but if you want a tour, that's one way of not having to deal with a drive.
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